[12:03]	<DeepB>	daurnimator: i don't know.... maybe the server power off
[12:04]	<DeepB>	daurnimator: may work now
[12:05]	<DeepB>	thomilla, daurnimator : thanks
[12:05]	<JoeyBorn>	[g2], still there?
[12:06]	<JoeyBorn>	send me an email and I'll forward you the information (not a lot) that I have on zap2it, etc
[12:06]	<JoeyBorn>	BTW, vmarks knows this stuff well, so you'll want to talk with him about it.
[12:11]	<[g2]>	JoeyBorn I'm around
[13:19]	<JoeyBorn>	crweb, you want to post something on OdNT regarding the build stuff that was resolved, scratchbox, etc?
[13:19]	<JoeyBorn>	or should someone else do that?
[13:25]	<JoeyBorn>	srobertson, you there?
[13:25]	<JoeyBorn>	how's that backup server coming? I only ask because the file transfer nightmare is continuing..
[13:49]	<srobertson_>	JoeyBorn: you mean transferring from china to... not china? it's ready to do that.
[13:49]	<srobertson_>	I'll write a tutorial for (I guess) Peter.
[15:06]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: yeah sure
[15:07]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: I'll do it in a few hours, I have to take a nap
[16:21]	<Ycros>	crweb: I'm at LCA at the moment, no time for anything
[16:37]	<JoeyBorn>	srobertson, or from transferring to china from us.
[16:38]	<JoeyBorn>	I have an 11meg file that I have literally no way of getting to them.
[16:39]	<vmarks>	hi.
[16:39]	<vmarks>	I'm in China right now.
[17:02]	<JoeyBorn>	wherabouts?
[17:02]	<JoeyBorn>	I'm actually heading back there on the 23rd
[17:39]	* [g2]  wonders if JoeyBorn could pick me up some TV tuners ;)
[17:41]	<vmarks>	today, Shenzhen.
[17:41]	<vmarks>	tomorrow, taipei.
[17:55]	<chreekat>	Howdy
[18:06]	<may1937>	hey there
[18:06]	<JoeyBorn>	howdy
[18:12]	<chreekat>	I'm writing up a response to the discussion on a compiler, but the short of it is that I think we should continue with gcc
[18:13]	<chreekat>	so give me a few more minutes to send that out. :)
[18:14]	<chreekat>	I'm also feeling like getting back into it
[18:14]	<chreekat>	er, the gcc port
[18:30]	<chreekat>	buut who knows. :)
[18:30]	<chreekat>	I have too many hobbies
[19:05]	<chreekat>	k, sent, off I go, I think I'll bbl tonight
[20:21]	<daurnimator>	hi
[20:58]	<JoeBorn>	srobertson, you there?
[21:05]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn!
[21:05]	<JoeBorn>	hi daurn
[21:06]	<daurnimator>	turns out i applyed the wrong dates for leave
[21:06]	<daurnimator>	i can teach you today after all
[21:13]	<JoeBorn>	ok, sounds good.
[21:14]	<JoeBorn>	I'm currently on the XP distro of Linux. I believe it's based on debian
[21:16]	<batmark>	xp distro of linux???? wha?
[21:16]	<JoeBorn>	joke
[21:17]	<batmark>	ahhh
[21:17]	* batmark  slaps himself
[21:18]	<batmark>	JoeBorn: what is daurnimator supposed to be teaching you?
[21:18]	<JoeBorn>	lua
[21:19]	<daurnimator>	ok
[21:19]	<daurnimator>	so... you're on XP?
[21:20]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn: attn hut!
[21:22]	<may1937>	tirania.org
[21:23]	<may1937>	if it's hackable, a competitor to n3?
[21:25]	<daurnimator>	possibly
[21:25]	<daurnimator>	but, not enough storage for anything
[21:25]	<daurnimator>	4gb internal + max4gb on SD
[21:26]	<may1937>	"PlayForSure" support is somewhat interesting
[21:27]	<may1937>	has a major digital restrictions management ever been run on linux before?
[21:28]	<batmark>	i wouldn't have thought so
[21:29]	<daurnimator>	of course
[21:29]	<daurnimator>	many devices are linux based, and have PFS
[21:31]	<may1937>	oh?
[21:32]	<JoeBorn>	we have license to plays 4 sure
[21:32]	<daurnimator>	look at some archos stuff for eg
[21:32]	<may1937>	no kidding
[21:33]	<may1937>	i figured ms would use it as a form of vendor lock in
[21:34]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn: are you on windows?
[21:34]	<JoeBorn>	yep
[21:37]	<daurnimator>	z30.zupload.com
[21:37]	<daurnimator>	grab that
[21:37]	<may1937>	JoeBorn: do you have a chance to recount the results of your ti meeting? you mentioned it was interesting
[21:45]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn?
[21:45]	<JoeBorn>	one sec on phone
[21:45]	<batmark>	may1937: TI meeting. that sounds promising
[21:49]	<daurnimator>	btw, request for ALL future products
[21:49]	<daurnimator>	everything should have a inline transformer
[21:49]	<daurnimator>	not on the plug
[21:50]	<daurnimator>	1, because they don't fit in nicely
[21:50]	<daurnimator>	2, use a figure 8, so HEAPS less issues with convertors etc
[21:51]	<JoeBorn>	I don't know what that means
[21:51]	<daurnimator>	you know figure 8 power plugs?
[21:51]	<JoeBorn>	no
[21:52]	<daurnimator>	uh, looks like... a figure 8
[21:52]	<daurnimator>	on the wallsocket side of power bricks
[21:52]	<daurnimator>	(most of the time)
[21:52]	<JoeBorn>	oh, gotch
[21:52]	<JoeBorn>	gotcha
[21:53]	<daurnimator>	well, PLEASE use power bricks for all future products (you can even still use the 5V - the psp adaptor is like this)
[21:53]	<daurnimator>	they don't take 2 spots on a power strip
[21:54]	<daurnimator>	and you don't need a convertor - every country has figure 8 cables with their own plugs
[21:54]	<daurnimator>	ok?
[21:54]	<JoeBorn>	they were horrendously expensive when we looked at them for the OSD
[21:55]	<JoeBorn>	probably we didn't look hard enough, that was definately everyone's first choice
[21:56]	<daurnimator>	well, now thats out of the way
[21:56]	<daurnimator>	did you get that zip?
[21:58]	<JoeBorn>	yes, I did,
[21:58]	<JoeBorn>	I'll also talk about the TI meeting since may1937 asked
[21:59]	<JoeBorn>	hey mdp, how's it going?
[22:00]	<JoeBorn>	so TI is pretty fired up, but it's all coming from "the catalog division"
[22:01]	<daurnimator>	"the catalog division"?
[22:02]	<JoeBorn>	well, TI has two silicon divisions that I know of one is for the cell phones, etc.
[22:03]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn: can you extract the zip now?
[22:03]	<JoeBorn>	and the other is the catalog division, which will sell you a single piece
[22:03]	<JoeBorn>	daurnimator, already did
[22:04]	<daurnimator>	ok, open up a cmd prompt for me
[22:04]	<daurnimator>	and navigate to the folder where you extracted
[22:05]	<daurnimator>	then into the scripts sub directory
[22:08]	<JoeBorn>	ok
[22:10]	<daurnimator>	now, goto that same script directory in explorer
[22:10]	<JoeBorn>	one sec, sorry on phone again
[22:10]	<daurnimator>	and make a new txt document - lesson1.lua
[22:29]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn?
[22:30]	<JoeBorn>	sorry I'm on the phone with gao
[22:31]	<daurnimator>	tell him to make rootfs tars for us for each firmware release
[22:31]	<daurnimator>	well... upload them
[23:05]	<JoeBorn>	holy smokes.
[23:06]	<JoeBorn>	well anyway, TI's catalog division sells to everyone, and so all their information is public
[23:06]	<JoeBorn>	all the information on the "davinci" that you've seen is from that group.
[23:07]	<JoeBorn>	well anyway, they want to sell a basic OSD as a sort of simple hackable board for the folks that come to their site for simple developer samples or whatever.
[23:07]	<JoeBorn>	so that's a great community building opportunity for us.
[23:07]	<daurnimator>	green pcb ones?
[23:08]	<JoeBorn>	no, unfortunately the DM320 is not a "catalog" part, they don't care about that one :(
[23:08]	<JoeBorn>	this would be for the developer samples for the OSD 2
[23:14]	<daurnimator>	anyway
[23:14]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn
[23:14]	<daurnimator>	[15:09:45] <daurnimator> now, goto that same script directory in explorer
[23:14]	<daurnimator>	[15:10:06] <daurnimator> and make a new txt document - lesson1.lua
[23:31]	<crweb>	JoeBorn: that is cool
[23:32]	<sumasuma>	can i pass the digital coaxial data to the DTS decoder using OSD ?
[23:33]	<sumasuma>	using the standard a/v output ?
[23:33]	<crweb>	those are totally different systems
[23:34]	<crweb>	don't you need a digital tuner?
[23:34]	<sumasuma>	crweb: i don't think do
[23:35]	<crweb>	what device is the digital coaxial coming from?
[23:35]	<sumasuma>	crweb: if you can pass the digital data on the coaxial then the decoder can be external
[23:35]	<sumasuma>	the digital data is available to the OSD through ethernet or nfs or etc...
[23:35]	<crweb>	ok, i'm lost.
[23:36]	<sumasuma>	DATA - OSD - COAXIAL(digital) - DTS decoder - 5.1 channel o/p - Speakers
[23:36]	<sumasuma>	this is the arrangement
[23:37]	<sumasuma>	Will OSD be able to supply the digital data through the a/v output, as a digital data not analog one
[23:37]	<crweb>	i don't think the OSD has digital output. I don't tknow if it is pass through
[23:37]	<crweb>	"pass through"
[23:38]	<sumasuma>	you mean taking the data from the network and passing it through the a/v output ?
[23:38]	<crweb>	why would the data be on the network?
[23:39]	<sumasuma>	dolby digital or dts audio songs
[23:39]	<crweb>	"pass through" is when you put in a signal and the device doesn't touch the signal it just passes through
[23:39]	<sumasuma>	i have it on my PC connected through LAN
[23:39]	<sumasuma>	yes
[23:39]	<crweb>	the signal wouldn't come out as digital no
[23:39]	<crweb>	if you don't put a digital on the audio input, there is no passthrough effect
[23:40]	<crweb>	the OSD would decode the song and play it on its audio output
[23:40]	<crweb>	i would think at least.
[23:40]	<sumasuma>	i don't want OSD to decode the song, I have got an external decoder, it just needs the digital data through optical or coaxial means
[23:41]	<sumasuma>	since optical is not there, it can send it across the coaxial one
[23:41]	<sumasuma>	i c
[23:41]	<crweb>	thats not how it works. It would take a converter to change the file into digital line
[23:42]	<crweb>	the "network connection" would be a file
[23:42]	<crweb>	not digital audio
[23:42]	<sumasuma>	i c
[23:43]	<sumasuma>	any chance for the converter to put inside the OSD through software means ?
[23:43]	<crweb>	if they were going to do that, they might aswell add a digital output
[23:44]	<crweb>	the osd is done being designed. I wouldn't look for any "additions" to the pcb
[23:44]	<sumasuma>	i c
[23:54]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn!
[23:55]	<JoeBorn>	hi daurnimator, sorry I just didn't carve out the time, so we imploded :(
[23:55]	<JoeBorn>	how about tomorrow as planned?