Log from #neuros IRC channel

JoeBorn: I get not colours in the output on my tv at least.. Running the latest version on the ftp.. Input works, I can record and watch on my computer and get colours..

[04:06]

<anders_>

s/not/no/

[04:06]

ugh, that's irritating.

[04:07]

Milesy, what kind of troubles are you having, and what kind of avi files?

[04:07]

I've had mixed success with xvid and divx avi files

[04:08]

mostly divx and xvid

[04:08]

jittering

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one i played last night the colours almost seemed negitive

[04:08]

just outlines, and shadows and bright colours in between

[04:09]

wow, do you have any small segments you can send us. I haven't seen that one before

[04:10]

I've seen lipsync issues and playback that wasn't very smooth, but I haven't seen anything like you describe

[04:11]

its very strange

[04:11]

the jittering is quite bad as well on some things

[04:12]

I watched 24 last night, and it was going jittery... almost like it was missing frames and then came back again

[04:12]

whenever the sound on it got very loud the video seemed to jitter as well

[04:12]

whats the best way to take a segment out?

[04:13]

I could use virtualdub maybe? but would that not result in a new encode?

[04:13]

I don't know it's a good question, will avidemux do it? Someone on here should know

[04:15]

I dont think divx xvid is like mpeg2 where I *believe* you can actualy just use a file cutter to snap a segment out because it uses frame headers instead of global file headers

[04:15]

will check out afterdawn forum and see if i can see

[04:17]

I had heard mpeg1 was like that (just cutting out segments)

[04:37]

JoeBorn!

[04:37]

you missed our lesson on friday :S

[04:39]

I did? sorry. I remembered that we'd started to begin a day early and then I don't really remember exactly what happened

[04:40]

we started, you took a phone call - didn't come back

[04:40]

you didn't come the next day either

[04:40]

sorry about that.

[04:58]

<Fatal>

long call

[04:58]

<Fatal>

hate those

[05:02]

AsGF2MX, thanks for the meeting minutes

[05:03]

JoeBorn: No problem, glad I could help :)

[05:04]

But 2 questions, how come the date for the "User meeting" isn't specified and also, just to check are the contents of the Thursday and Saturday meeting the same?

[05:05]

I should actually say Friday as it'll be 1AM here :s

[05:06]

*2AM

[05:06]

the user meeting time is there, just click on the story and you'll see it.

[05:07]

Got it, my bad

[05:08]

and the sat meeting should be users and thurs/fri (fri for me too) is for hackers

[05:08]

JoeBorn: any N3 chat yet?

[05:09]

JoeBorn: On the post you say "Time will be Sat Afternoon in US or UTC: Friday, January 26, 2007 at 23:00:00<-CLICK ON LINK TO SEE YOUR LOCAL TIME"

[05:09]

If it's Saturday here, doesn't that mean Friday for you?

[05:09]

JoeBorn: have you considered making an australia/china friendly time?

[05:10]

maybe alt between europe and aus?

[05:10]

so... usa,europe,usa,australia repeat etall

[05:11]

I did one as early as I can bear on Sat, but yes we can alternate

[05:11]

How early is early?

[05:11]

something about an hour earlier than now would be nice

[05:12]

we could go up to 4 hours before now

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and 2 hours after

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so.. 6 hour timframe

[05:13]

daurnimator: Are you looking for a 1PM UTC start?

[05:14]

I know but that's 2am-5am in the continental US where 85% of our users are

[05:14]

q00"p

[05:15]

JoeBorn: hence why this meeting is only on 20% of the time ;)

[05:15]

*25%

[05:15]

You mean 15%? ;)

[05:16]

just as long as you & gao can make it ;)

[05:16]

fine

[05:17]

JoeBorn: Since the R&D is done in Xiamen, I was wondering, are you guys marketing these products there as well?

[05:18]

isn't nearly ALL software devel done there? ;)

[05:18]

China, well we're talking about it, just had a meeting about that this week

[05:18]

darunimator: don't forget India and the rest of the world ;)

[05:19]

JoeBorn: Did you take the product to any of the Hong Kong exhibitions? It would get good press

[05:19]

yep. we've been talking with distributors in Australia as well

[05:19]

* daurnimator points out its not just a switch i have |)

[05:19]

JoeBorn: which? (if you can tell)

[05:20]

I thought I gave you the names, daurnimator

[05:21]

hmm

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i think you gave me one

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* daurnimator searches log(s)

[05:21]

JoeBorn: Are there any UK distributors?

yep Pinpoint

Pinpointce?

I don't know if we've shipped them any OSDs yet, I'd guess not

[05:23]

I did see them a while back but they didn't carry the OSDs

[05:24]

Doesn't look like they do now either

[05:25]

sigh

[05:25]

too many logs :P

[05:26]

they will soon, don't worry

[05:27]

I'm only curious whether I have a defective unit or something else is up as it seems I might not be the only one with the problem I mentioned before.

[05:28]

Have you had any major problems with any batch of the OSDs?

[05:28]

we have had some hardware issues on the Gamma units, but I've never heard of anything like you describe

[05:29]

The LAN and video in being unable to co-exist? Perhaps it's to do with the TV systems most users use?

[05:29]

Here in the UK, the standard is PAL/I

[05:30]

So this may not be a common occurence in the US user base but outside of that perhaps?

[05:32]

I'm saying because my OSD is stuck in NTSC at the moment which makes it pretty hard to record things as the video gets cropped vertically but this is probably not an issue for 85% of your users?

[05:33]

anders_, just mentioned that PAL is broken for him too

[05:34]

Does his OSD exhibit the rebooting issue as well when connecting a PAL source and LAN?

[05:35]

<anders_>

I see no rebooting..

[05:37]

but someone on the channel mentioned, maybe nerochiaro that three people have had your issue AsGF2MX

[05:38]

Hmm...I'm just hoping that it wasn't a hardware issue present in the early batch as that would probably be very messy in terms on returns and such. Are all these users having Gamma units?

[05:38]

well, Gamma is all we've sold so far.

[05:38]

<anders_>

The pal issue makes me want to turn of the osd often.. But the passthrough is video only, so then I end up with no sound :(

[05:38]

beta and gamma

[05:39]

anders, I'll ask our man gao about that.

[05:39]

anders_ pass through is only video? I didn't notice that...is this with the OSD powered down?

[05:40]

<anders_>

Yes, with OSD powered down I get no sound though.

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JoeBorn: The final beta and the early gamma or is it more random?

[05:40]

anders_: I never noticed this, let me check my OSD...be back in 1 minute

[05:42]

anders_, gao says next release will fix it

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<anders_>

JoeBorn: It == pal?

[05:44]

JoeBorn: I noticed the pass through issue as well...but that would be a major hardware issue...

[05:44]

anders_, yes, PAL, sorry

[05:45]

<anders_>

JoeBorn: Good to hear.

[05:47]

Is there any info on how the pass through is connected?

[05:51]

the video pass through (in the power off condition) is just a relay

[05:51]

but audio is not included in that, it's true

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Hmm...

[05:52]

That would imply a fair bit of board layout changes and the like (I haven't looked inside yet) but I take it S-Video does not get passed through either?

[05:54]

no

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No, as not a lot of board changes or no as in no s-video pass through? (former or latter?)

[05:55]

both

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Surely the passthrough issue is more to do with how the device itself is designed - the powered down state of the circuit?

[05:57]

no svideo, it would require board changes...

[05:58]

Ok on the S-Video, you need some power to combine the signals and output it as well but what about the audio issue?

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*at least I'm not familiar with any passive S-Video to RCA Video devices

[06:01]

well right on the svideo, regarding the audio, I honestly don't remember the whole history of the audio passthrough decision, but I vaguely remember it was cost related

[06:02]

uh

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Hmm...if it impedes usability, that's an issue

[06:03]

so... you decided people only ned to watch video - no audio :S

[06:04]

it only affects the unit when it's unplugged.

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Wait

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It doesn't affect the unit in standby mode? Let me check this

[06:07]

JoeBorn: how long until you are prepared to let the OSD leave the nest?

[06:14]

I now have an interesting situation

[06:15]

The OSD is rebooting when I hit play on the video camera :S

[06:17]

I think I'll have to sit down and see how I can reproduce the problem

[06:22]

Otherwise it'll just be random errors which will never get tracked down...be back in a while...still waiting for my USB-RS232 cable to arrive so I can get you guys more information

[06:22]

But before I do, is there any way to get the exact same data I see on the serial port in the telnet session?

[06:34]

no

[06:34]

The pass through does pass audio when powered on...I tried to reproduce the reboot problem above and I could not get any consistent way to reproduce it.

[06:37]

Guess I'll have to wait for the serial adapter to arrive before I can do some further testing

[06:50]

JoeyBorn?

[07:06]

AsGF2MX: dmesg will have most of that data

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nerochiaro: I did write a script to dump that data over the LAN and last time, that yielded nothing. I'm looking for stuff like the kickdog message and stuff

[07:07]

these are output by osdmain

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you should launch osdmain from telnet

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to see them on telnet

hmm

let me have a look

sorry

but i have to say

the C3200 is a very nice device

[08:27]

thank you so much Ycros for introducing me

[08:28]

<Ycros>

hehe, glad you like it

[08:28]

just.... CF card is in the way :(

[08:29]

put wifi inside!

[08:30]

<Ycros>

put wifi in the cf slot

[08:30]

<Ycros>

heh

uh

i have

it sticks out

<Ycros>

get a smaller wifi card then :P

[08:31]

<Ycros>

it does stick out a little

[08:31]

<Ycros>

some people take apart the plastic end bit

[08:31]

<Ycros>

the microdrive inside is actually in a CF slot

[08:31]

<Ycros>

you can stick something else in there

[08:31]

<Ycros>

heh

[08:32]

heh

[08:32]

i'm happy with 6gb :P

[08:32]

<Ycros>

aye

[08:32]

<Ycros>

it's plenty for something like that

[08:32]

<Ycros>

I had a full debian-arm install going in a chroot

[08:33]

<Ycros>

well, have

[08:33]

<Ycros>

I think it's still on there

[08:33]

i'm just about to install GPE

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<Ycros>

I can run full kde or gnome desktops

[08:33]

i had opie, but, it needs refinement

[08:33]

<Ycros>

just attach a keyboard and mouse

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<Ycros>

debian's x doesn't like the touch screen

[08:34]

do you carry a battery with you?

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i can't imagine usb giving enough power

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<Ycros>

no

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<Ycros>

usb seems fine

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<Ycros>

I'll use mainly a keyboard though

[08:35]

i tried a keyboard

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but the only usb ones i have are wireless :P

[08:35]

and i'm out of batterys

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btw, i lost the stylus in about 3 hours

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<Ycros>

LOL

[08:36]

<Ycros>

I've managed not to lose min

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know where i can get new ones?

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<Ycros>

e

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<Ycros>

if I ever drop it, I stop everything and go look for it

[08:36]

<Ycros>

because it's small

[08:36]

<Ycros>

nope

[08:36]

i was showing a friend of the family the pda

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<Ycros>

ipaq styluses are much better, but they won't fit in your slot thing

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and he didn't give back the stylus

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i left without checking

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and.... now he can't find it

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btw, very cool browing the web with a pda

[08:37]

screen looks great

[08:37]

hmm, internet says that treo ones fit in the slot

c3200?

yes

oh - zaurus

yes

cool - I played with a SL5500 for a few weeks

[08:40]

loved it

[08:53]

JoshMalone: but this is a clamsheel!

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Ycros: do you have a case?

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cool

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JoshMalone: i'd show you... but you're in another country

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<Ycros>

daurnimator: nope, no case

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<Ycros>

that's why I like clamshell things

[08:56]

<Ycros>

they are their own case

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<Ycros>

I just stick them in a pocket

[08:56]

yeah

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but, i don't wanna scrath it up :P

[08:56]

yeah - kinda sux :)

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JoshMalone: you should get one ;)

[09:00]

here is the older model: cgi.ebay.com.au

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I'd love to have one....just that whole money issue :-/

[09:01]

look at price on that one ^^

[09:02]

wow - that is cheap :)

[09:03]

wonder what shipping costs from .au :)

[09:03]

no - spain :)

[09:04]

here is cheapest new(ish) model: cgi.ebay.com.au

[10:04]

Ycros: how do i get debian working?

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<Ycros>

dunno, I once found an old tarball somewhere of debian arm that I could dump in a directory and chroot into

[10:06]

<Ycros>

then I just did a dist-upgrade on it

[10:08]

you used GPE?

[10:12]

can't get wifi working in it

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i get "No write access to network configuration" after i try to make changes

[10:18]

<Ycros>

I used opie more than GPE

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<Ycros>

can you see the card with iwconfig

[10:19]

<Ycros>

?

[10:29]

yes

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card is there and everything

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i just can't configure anything to do with networking

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<Ycros>

does it work with iwconfig and ifconfig?

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<Ycros>

heh

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<Ycros>

dunno

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<Ycros>

opie tended to work

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<Ycros>

I should buy another cf wifi card

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<Ycros>

hmm

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?

[10:33]

<Ycros>

the one I had died

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<Ycros>

dunno why

[16:24]

crweb: you around ?

[16:25]

Seems in the last few hours a lot of people got dropped and came back

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it's called netsplit

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What's that?

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when one server in an irc network goes disconnected from the rest of the network

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so people on that server seem to go offline all at once

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Oh

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But prior to that there was a lot of chat...now it's all quiet :s

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Guess people are waiting for the meeting...will you stay for it?

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i think it will be very late night, let me check the time

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2AM

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For me

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oh, midnight here. i can be there then

[16:34]

no, wait though

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You're GMT+1 aren't you?

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Won't it be 3AM?

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<cr-tablet>

its 11 where he is

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<cr-tablet>

right now

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oh, i was looking at the page of the user meeting

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<cr-tablet>

+7

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<cr-tablet>

from me

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crweb: 11:35

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<cr-tablet>

whats up?

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AsGF2MX: then, no, i won't be there at 3AM,

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cr-tablet: i've had these weird errors that print those address-like messages too

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nerochiaro: well I doubt I'll be here either

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<cr-tablet>

NWFPE ?

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cr-tablet: they seem to be related to the fb

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cr-tablet: no

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cr-tablet: things like memory addresses. they came out togheter with NWFPE last time someone posted about them, but not in my case

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crweb: where are you located?

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or cr-tablet

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<cr-tablet>

AsGF2MX: i'm just south of chicago Illinois

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<cr-tablet>

pretty close to neuros home actually

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Oh

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<cr-tablet>

chicago is weekend trip for me

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cr-tablet: ok, here they come again: ad:FC00-1303

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and more like these

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<cr-tablet>

what is on the screen while thats happening?

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cr-tablet: the app i was running. i also get these messages intermixed with them "------------WARNING: version seems not matching------------"

[16:39]

cr-tablet: you should drop by neuros :)

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<cr-tablet>

oh, i will be.. heh

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nerochiaro: aren't those ad: messages what was on my log as well?

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AsGF2MX: indeed

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AsGF2MX: but you had also NWFPE errors

Yes I did as well

<cr-tablet>

<cr-tablet>

that's me :)

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cr-tablet: i've got to run strings on the kernel modules to see where that message is coming from

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<cr-tablet>

maps.google.com

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<cr-tablet>

thats chicago

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Nice

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<cr-tablet>

nerochiaro: if you could email those to tom@limesg.com

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<cr-tablet>

nerochiaro: I personally am going to be making a switch to the cowon driver

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cr-tablet: those = the errors ?

[16:43]

Carbondale seems like a nice quiet place, am I right?

[16:43]

<cr-tablet>

yeah, i guess all the output

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<cr-tablet>

AsGF2MX: if you mean the #3 party school in the US, then yes.

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cr-tablet: all the output won't make much sense, it's just the printf of my app

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i'll paste you the errors from dmesg

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<cr-tablet>

ok

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cr-tablet: Didn't know that

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<cr-tablet>

eh, its loosing its rep

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<cr-tablet>

they have a new research focus, and its weeding out the riffraft

[16:44]

what's that large lake you have near there ?

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<cr-tablet>

There is Rendlake which is the 3rd largest man made like in the US, and the lake right next to carbondale is the campus

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<cr-tablet>

there is also Crab Orchard lake

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<cr-tablet>

to the east, that is crab orchard

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yeah, the one to the east is the one i meant

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weird name for a lake

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what is the manmade one ?

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<cr-tablet>

RendLake, I'm trying to find it

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the large one to the south-west ?

[16:47]

I thought the one in the east is RendLake??

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