[00:05]	<crweb>	it is 16mb flash, 64mb ram
[00:10]	<crweb>	ls
[00:10]	<crweb>	heh
[00:10]	<crweb>	:D
[00:11]	<Inc>	digg it please: digg.com
[00:15]	<Ycros>	crweb: ah, I w
[00:15]	<Ycros>	asn't sure
[00:15]	<Ycros>	the wiki has conflicting information, heh
[00:17]	<crweb>	not sure about what?
[00:17]	<crweb>	the black and clear osd's are 1mb flash, 64mb ram
[00:17]	<crweb>	green pcb osd's are 16mb flash, 32mb ram
[00:18]	<crweb>	that was 16mb
[00:19]	<Ycros>	right
[00:20]	<Ycros>	crweb: those indian guys look like the sorts of people that would use this scratchbox thing to develop their apps on
[00:33]	<crweb>	Ycros: 1.5 gig not compressed, 308mb compressed
[00:33]	<Ycros>	nice
[00:34]	<crweb>	a actual install of a distro is like 1.5 gig, but it comes from a 600mb cd
[00:34]	<Ycros>	I wonder how big it is with 7z
[00:34]	<Ycros>	yeah
[00:34]	<crweb>	lots of stuff to compress
[00:34]	<Ycros>	you didn't strip it down?
[00:34]	<crweb>	ubuntu has alternative installs
[00:34]	<crweb>	that is stripped
[00:34]	<Ycros>	ah. okay.
[00:35]	<Ycros>	anyone can install ubuntu-desktop (or xubuntu-desktop, or kubuntu-desktop) if they want to bring it up to a full thing
[00:35]	<crweb>	300 of that is sbox
[00:35]	<crweb>	right
[00:35]	<Ycros>	wow
[00:35]	<crweb>	which, they don't need to
[00:35]	<Ycros>	huge
[00:35]	<crweb>	i built in alternative toolchains
[00:35]	<Ycros>	I guess anyone who uses it is a developer
[00:35]	<crweb>	one with gcc 4 one with gcc 3.4
[00:36]	<crweb>	plus, its a free image
[00:36]	<Ycros>	so it's a 1.5gb image, which is mostly empty?
[00:36]	<crweb>	no need to buy workstation to make vmware images
[00:36]	<Ycros>	aye
[00:37]	<crweb>	oh, 873mb is scratchbox
[00:37]	<crweb>	that makes more sense
[00:37]	<crweb>	/usr is only 268mb
[00:37]	<Ycros>	crweb: lester.mithis.com
[00:37]	<Ycros>	arch
[00:37]	<Ycros>	gh
[00:38]	<Ycros>	stupid cut and paste is broken for me in one direction, across synergy
[00:38]	<Ycros>	crweb: easyvmx.com
[00:38]	<Ycros>	(the other url is talks from the gaming miniconf at lca07)
[00:40]	<Ycros>	I wonder if qemu can use the same image
[00:41]	<crweb>	qemu has vware converters
[00:42]	<crweb>	I actually had to use them to get OSX x86 to install into vmware
[01:27]	<crweb>	h264 is not patented!
[01:27]	<crweb>	we are free!! :)
[01:28]	<Ycros>	really?
[01:28]	<Ycros>	I thought it was in some way
[01:29]	<crweb>	court ruled today
[01:30]	<Ycros>	oh?
[01:31]	<crweb>	www.signonsandiego.com
[01:36]	<crweb>	ok, image is done
[01:36]	<crweb>	it ships with 3.27-0.54 though
[01:36]	<crweb>	beause they never released what i need for 0.58
[01:37]	<crweb>	vmware is going to shrink the fs, then i'm going to tar/bz2 it and put it up for download somewhere.. don't know yet really
[01:41]	<Ycros>	torrent?
[01:43]	<crweb>	probably
[01:44]	<crweb>	heh
[01:44]	<crweb>	forgot to remove my bash histroy
[03:13]	<crweb>	alrighty, packing it up :)
[03:37]	<JoeBorn>	hi anders_, heard you submitted a patch on the xmms2 thing!
[03:38]	<cacophony>	crweb: what is it you're making an image of?
[03:38]	<crweb>	build enviroment
[03:39]	<cacophony>	ah
[03:39]	<crweb>	I don't have much bandwidth at the moment
[03:39]	<crweb>	I could use some torrent seeds, but the first few are going to be very slow
[03:40]	<Ycros>	I have a server which I could use for seeding, but I'd have to keep it under 100gbs
[03:41]	<Ycros>	used 2.6gb the past month, out of 100
[03:41]	<Ycros>	heh
[03:41]	<Ycros>	how big is it?
[03:41]	<crweb>	308mb
[03:42]	<cacophony>	use super seeding
[03:42]	<cacophony>	=win
[03:42]	<Ycros>	I'll seed it if there's a way to seed without me using up all of my bandwidth
[03:43]	<JoeBorn>	I'll seed too if it's a help
[03:45]	<Ycros>	crweb: start a torrent and I'll join it on my server
[03:47]	<Ycros>	it's fast, so it's probably best to upload to it first
[03:47]	<Ycros>	it's in the US
[03:50]	<crweb>	www.limesg.com
[03:50]	<crweb>	i think it will work.
[03:50]	<crweb>	have to try to see
[03:54]	<Ycros>	trying to find commandline parameters for the damn bt client
[03:56]	<crweb>	i just need to see if you can connect at this point
[03:59]	<Ycros>	yes
[03:59]	<crweb>	excellent
[03:59]	<Ycros>	downloading at 2.0KB/s
[03:59]	<Ycros>	sort of
[03:59]	<Ycros>	it bursts up to 2.5
[03:59]	<crweb>	i'm afraid thats all i'm going to get for the moment
[03:59]	<crweb>	doing other stuff at same time
[04:00]	<Ycros>	going to take 42hours at this rate
[04:00]	<Ycros>	right
[04:00]	<crweb>	it will take a while yes. but i have no choice
[04:00]	<Ycros>	woo, hitting 3k
[04:01]	<Ycros>	I'm guessing you're limiting your uploads?
[04:01]	<crweb>	yeah, i have to
[04:01]	<crweb>	or i'll get called in the morning for using to much
[04:01]	<crweb>	then again.. 20 torrents each 3k a sec..
[04:02]	<crweb>	maxes out the cable modem ;)
[04:02]	<Ycros>	heh
[04:03]	<crweb>	h264 takes almost 8x longer to pass 1 & pass2 than xvid for the same file size
[04:03]	<crweb>	hope its worth it
[04:03]	<Ycros>	32hours
[04:03]	<crweb>	when I awake in the morning, I'll put th torrent on a few other networks
[04:03]	<crweb>	actually, i'll put it on another one here in a few min
[04:03]	<Ycros>	other networks?
[04:04]	<crweb>	I'm sitting on 3 pipes
[04:04]	<Ycros>	uhh, okay.
[04:04]	<crweb>	i can host 3 seeds
[04:04]	<Ycros>	why do you have three pipes? :P
[04:05]	<crweb>	each roommate has their own cable modem
[04:05]	<crweb>	:)
[04:05]	<Ycros>	lol
[04:05]	<crweb>	the guy downstairs doesn't really use his, so should be pretty quick
[04:05]	<Ycros>	a good way to solve squabbles over bandwidth
[04:06]	<Ycros>	so you just sneak up and plant torrents on their machines when they're not looking?
[04:06]	<crweb>	no
[04:06]	<crweb>	wireless
[04:09]	<crweb>	due to being university students and stuff
[04:09]	<Ycros>	hehe
[04:09]	<crweb>	its way cheaper to have 3 seperate
[04:10]	<Ycros>	who are you sharing yours with?
[04:10]	<crweb>	in the sense that, we all pay full price automatically, we wanted 3 seperate lines
[04:11]	<crweb>	nobody
[04:11]	<crweb>	i have all the wireless keys though
[04:11]	<crweb>	since all the hardware is mine
[04:11]	<Ycros>	you said you'd get called in for using too much bandwidth
[04:11]	<Ycros>	called in the morning
[04:13]	<crweb>	they get upset when you upload 35k/s for a month straight
[04:13]	<crweb>	they == cable company
[04:14]	<crweb>	something about a terms of service or something
[04:14]	<Ycros>	oh, yeah, so does mine
[04:14]	<crweb>	i get shut off like twice a month
[04:14]	<Ycros>	so I don't upload 35k/s for a whole month
[04:14]	<crweb>	they can't block valid traffic though
[04:14]	<crweb>	:)
[04:15]	<crweb>	i can't help it. I do a lot of online work ;)
[04:15]	<Ycros>	yeah
[04:15]	<Ycros>	this is a perfectly valid use of bittorrent
[04:15]	<crweb>	my house is distributed with my work
[04:15]	<crweb>	i have backup systems and stuff. very heavy on my connection
[04:16]	<Ycros>	right
[04:16]	<crweb>	unplug me they get a call from the state of illinois
[04:16]	<crweb>	:)
[04:16]	<Ycros>	so I notice cr-tablet is on a different ip
[04:16]	<Ycros>	heh
[04:16]	<crweb>	i don't do it on purpose
[04:16]	<crweb>	the over use i mean
[04:17]	<Ycros>	right
[04:17]	<cr-tablet>	yep, this is my little buddy
[04:26]	<anders_>	JoeyBorn: Indeed, and it even got applied this time! :)
[04:30]	<Ycros>	cr-tablet: are you adding another seed?
[04:34]	<cr-tablet2>	yes i am
[04:35]	<cr-tablet2>	had a problem with the tablet SD slot
[04:36]	<cr-tablet2>	the newest devel ubuntu doesn't like me much
[04:47]	<cr-tablet>	ther eyou go
[04:48]	<cr-tablet>	hmm...
[04:48]	<cr-tablet>	I can hardly ever get 30k/s out of mine..
[04:48]	<cr-tablet>	roommate is getting 37k/s upload..
[04:51]	<Ycros>	nice
[04:51]	<Ycros>	should be done in 9 hours
[04:52]	<Ycros>	my server has downloaded/uploaded at several MB/s on previous occasions
[04:53]	<Ycros>	hmm, maybe less, maybe 7 hours
[04:55]	<crweb>	it'll vary for a few min
[04:55]	<crweb>	i'm about to reset some stuff
[04:57]	<Ycros>	5
[04:57]	<Ycros>	okay
[04:57]	<Ycros>	heh
[04:57]	<Ycros>	it's going down
[04:57]	<Ycros>	I guess because it was running at a slow speed and it's averaging things
[04:59]	<crweb>	there you go
[04:59]	<crweb>	i dont' think you can take it any faster...
[05:04]	<Ycros>	ooo, more
[05:04]	<Ycros>	2.5hours?
[05:05]	<cr-tablet>	well.. i've got 2 more servers i can put it on.. but i don't think you can take it any faster than 50k/s
[05:06]	<cr-tablet>	50ish
[05:06]	<cr-tablet>	the more poeple hop in the faster it'll go
[05:07]	<cr-tablet>	even if I'm just doing low speed
[05:07]	<Ycros>	I can take it much faster
[05:07]	<cr-tablet>	i guess.. i could find another open wireless...
[05:08]	<Ycros>	lol
[05:08]	<Ycros>	it's okay, 2.5 hours isn't that long
[05:08]	<cr-tablet>	ah, i took the wireless card out of my server
[05:09]	<cr-tablet>	wonder how hard it is to get a torrent to go on 2 different interfaces..
[05:09]	<Ycros>	that would depend on your client I guess
[05:10]	<cr-tablet>	ok bed for me
[05:12]	<Ycros>	2hours
[05:12]	<Ycros>	heh
[05:12]	<Ycros>	cr-tablet: I have in the past downloaded at several megabytes a second
[05:12]	<Ycros>	on that server
[05:34]	<JoeyBorn>	we've got some serious woes on the internet connectivity thing here
[05:37]	<Ycros>	JoeyBorn: is that you that just came on the torrent as well?
[05:38]	<JoeyBorn>	nope, not me.
[05:39]	<JoeyBorn>	but I will if someone gives me the seed
[05:39]	<Ycros>	hmm, okay. there's another peer
[05:39]	<Ycros>	hehe
[05:40]	<Ycros>	the torrent is here: www.limesg.com
[05:50]	<anders_>	I'm getting it now.
[05:51]	<anders_>	Getting 40K/s down. (upping 25)
[05:56]	<JoeyBorn>	so, anders_ it sounds like we're getting pretty close with xmms2 huh?
[05:56]	<JoeyBorn>	pretty exciting
[05:59]	<anders_>	Exciting it is.
[06:00]	<Ycros>	anders_: ah, that's you, I'm only upping 15 to you
[06:00]	<Ycros>	hang on
[06:00]	<Ycros>	yeah
[06:00]	<Ycros>	right.
[06:00]	<Ycros>	nevermind
[06:00]	<Ycros>	40mins to go on it
[06:01]	<anders_>	I have 1h15min.
[06:01]	<Ycros>	i should hop on as well probably
[06:01]	<Ycros>	on my laptop or my desktop
[06:01]	<Ycros>	hmm
[06:01]	<Ycros>	to pull it from my server
[06:07]	<Ycros>	bleh, it's not connecting to my server through BT at all
[06:07]	<Ycros>	ah wait, there it goes
[06:07]	<Ycros>	100KB/s
[06:07]	<Ycros>	heh
[06:08]	<Ycros>	anders_: your speed should have increased by about 20KB/s
[06:08]	<Ycros>	oh, maybe not
[06:10]	<anders_>	Nope. But my output speed increased to 50 :)
[06:19]	<JoeyBorn>	well, I posted something on OdNT
[06:38]	<JoeyBorn>	I guess there must be some lightweight BT clients since they are showing up in NAS's etc?
[06:39]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: The best place to look at probably would be the OpenWRT or the NSLU2 packages
[06:40]	<JoeyBorn>	[g2] is pretty involved in the NSLU2 stuff, I'll ask him when I see him
[06:40]	<AsGF2MX>	I'm actually looking to upgrade the RAM on mine (I have one of the originals with 32MB of RAM not 64MB like the post April 06 units)
[06:41]	<JoeyBorn>	holy smokes!
[06:41]	<AsGF2MX>	Wonder if he might know anything about that.
[06:42]	<JoeyBorn>	we'll swap those units out for free.
[06:42]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: I'm referring to my NSLU2 not the OSD
[06:43]	<JoeyBorn>	oh, fwew! I was going to say
[06:43]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: If I had those early units I probably would've tried to make my final year project at uni a collaboration with you guys
[06:44]	<JoeyBorn>	I wish you had, but alas, that's the way it goes sometimes.
[06:46]	<JoeyBorn>	we got gonged on the Southern Cal Linux meeting presentation, that was pretty surprising to me.
[06:47]	<Ycros>	holy crap
[06:47]	<AsGF2MX>	I guess it probably had to do with the fact that the NSLU2 started the whole linux ball rolling again; I first started using Fedora at Uni then went on to Slackware then nothing till last may...then Debian and Ubuntu
[06:47]	<AsGF2MX>	Joeyborn: gonged?
[06:47]	<JoeyBorn>	Fairly hard for me to believe that we wouldn't have been of interest to those folks.
[06:47]	<JoeyBorn>	they weren't interested in our presentation for speaking there.
[06:47]	<Ycros>	my server stopped downloading, and suddenly the upload speed goes to 300+KB/s
[06:48]	<Ycros>	and I'm pulling down most of that, because I'm getting 300KB/s down
[06:48]	<Ycros>	heh
[06:48]	<Ycros>	I guess it must act differently while it's still downloading to when it's seeding
[06:48]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: that's a shock...the Ingenient component had something to do with it?
[06:48]	<JoeyBorn>	AsGF2MX, possible, they didn't say.
[06:48]	<AsGF2MX>	Ycros: Upload at 300KB/s?
[06:49]	<anders_>	Ycros: I'm getting 150K down now.
[06:49]	<Ycros>	it's getting close to 400 at times
[06:49]	<Ycros>	AsGF2MX: seeding crweb's torrent
[06:49]	<Ycros>	and... I'm done here as well
[06:49]	<Ycros>	4 seeds now
[06:49]	<AsGF2MX>	Ycros: How fast is your connection?
[06:50]	<anders_>	I'm done now aswell.
[06:50]	<Ycros>	AsGF2MX: it's my server's connection, it lives in a datacenter somewhere in the US
[06:50]	<Ycros>	I'm in AU
[06:50]	<Ycros>	hehe
[06:50]	<Ycros>	I'm not sure what speed it is
[06:50]	<Ycros>	but I've hit several MB/s before
[06:50]	<AsGF2MX>	Ycros: I can never get good speeds to anything in AU :(
[06:51]	<Ycros>	AsGF2MX: yeah, blame the international connections
[06:51]	<Ycros>	:P
[06:51]	<Ycros>	I can pull 1MB/s down off AU sites on my home connection
[06:51]	<Ycros>	overseas... meh
[06:51]	<Ycros>	I was pulling 300KB/s from my server just then
[06:52]	<Ycros>	usually it'll be 150ish
[06:52]	<Ycros>	depends though
[06:52]	<Ycros>	some sites are faster than others as well
[06:53]	<AsGF2MX>	Hmm
[06:53]	<Ycros>	my upload is limited to 32KB/s though
[06:53]	<AsGF2MX>	Maybe it's just downloading from AU that's poor but your download speeds are probably not an issue
[06:53]	<Ycros>	which sucks for torrenting
[06:54]	<AsGF2MX>	I'm on 8Mbps/448kbps sort of the same as you
[06:54]	<Ycros>	damnit, my local exchange doesn't have new dslams, or else I'd switch to adsl2+
[06:54]	<Ycros>	I'm on 10mbps/256kbps
[06:54]	<Ycros>	adsl2+ is 24mbps/1mbps
[06:54]	<Ycros>	and around the same price
[06:55]	<AsGF2MX>	Heh
[06:57]	<AsGF2MX>	Where I am there's no LLU yet (2008...) so I'll have to wait. ADSL2+ and LLU will arrive together for me
[06:59]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: If I may ask what exactly is the problem wit my OSD? I mean defective component or...? I'm only asking out of curiousity so I hope it's nothing you can't divulge.
[07:00]	<AsGF2MX>	Ycros: I have the same problem here
[07:01]	<JoeyBorn>	no, it's nothing secret, but honestly I don't remember. A couple capacitors had to be added.
[07:01]	<JoeyBorn>	I know that someone with any skill with a soldering iron could do it fairly easily.
[07:02]	<JoeyBorn>	when I post the SNs, I'll post more details on the fix and of course, folks can do it themselves if they want
[07:02]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: Just a few capacitors?
[07:02]	<JoeyBorn>	something like that.
[07:03]	<AsGF2MX>	JoeyBorn: The only problem is it can be a little troublesome to get the components as I'm not familiar with who does what here
[07:04]	<JoeyBorn>	right, well it's not expected, we'll swap out the units for you
[09:21]	<theolodian>	ne1 here?
[09:34]	<AsGF2MX>	nel?
[09:35]	<AsGF2MX>	By the way, anyone getting the crweb's torrent? The build env thing
[09:36]	<theolodian>	As: You have any luck with PAL? Being a bit weird for me.
[09:37]	<AsGF2MX>	theolodian: My unit's actually been identified as one of the bad ones so I've put it away for the moment
[09:37]	<theolodian>	Yeah, but I didn't know how far you got with it earlier
[09:37]	<AsGF2MX>	Oh
[09:38]	<AsGF2MX>	I got the heads up on that last night just before I hit the sack
[09:39]	<AsGF2MX>	Thought you were still online then... also JoeBorn said that the cause is two missing capacitors. I don't have any soldering tools or the components right now
[09:40]	<theolodian>	Where R U? Can do soldering.
[09:40]	<theolodian>	I'm in midlands
[09:40]	<AsGF2MX>	Also when you say weird, how do you mean? The latest firmware actually breaks PAL support
[09:41]	<AsGF2MX>	theolodian: I'm in Wales, I can do it but I don't have the iron and the rest
[09:41]	<theolodian>	Fudgeknuckle, and I just upgraded ;(
[09:42]	<AsGF2MX>	I take it you're seeing cropped video?
[09:42]	<theolodian>	Yeah, and menu messed up
[09:42]	<theolodian>	pass-through is fine, but menu and source cropped when menu accessed
[09:42]	<AsGF2MX>	That's NTSC mode...if you're like me and can hear the CRT working, you'll notice a different sound
[09:43]	<theolodian>	menu fine but source cropped when set to NTSC with PAL input
[09:43]	<theolodian>	again, fine when menu not up
[09:44]	<AsGF2MX>	Ah...I came across that problem too...makes it impossible to do any recording with the OSD...even with a CF or anything :(
[09:44]	<theolodian>	Phoey, wanted to record Top Gear :(
[09:44]	<AsGF2MX>	Thanks for reminding me, forgot all about it
[09:45]	<AsGF2MX>	But top gear vs 24...hmm...
[09:45]	<theolodian>	24 after TG?
[09:45]	<theolodian>	She wants to watch BB
[09:45]	<AsGF2MX>	Thought both are at 9?
[09:45]	<theolodian>	TG @ 8 IIRC
[09:46]	<AsGF2MX>	Hmm, I'll have to check that...of course I could catch the 24 repeat on saturday
[09:46]	<theolodian>	Looking now
[09:47]	<theolodian>	BTW, VCR does not pass audio through if off, just video. Think that came up last night
[09:47]	<theolodian>	Yep, TG @ 8 on BBC2
[09:49]	<AsGF2MX>	Having said that, you could try to revert to a previous firmware
[09:50]	<AsGF2MX>	The pass through in power off mode came up a few days ago, turns out that's the way it was designed
[09:50]	<theolodian>	Thought that was impossible? Not worth messing with anyway, just use VCR although it buggered up the recording of the Hogfather :( :( :(
[09:51]	<AsGF2MX>	Hogfather? Wasn't that like ages ago?
[09:51]	<theolodian>	Yeah, was just saying that my VCR is the same way.
[09:51]	<theolodian>	December
[09:51]	<theolodian>	Tried to record it while away, trash.
[09:51]	<AsGF2MX>	The VCR I have here is also messed up but I have no intention of getting another one
[09:52]	<theolodian>	New tape and everything, VCR not that old.
[09:53]	<theolodian>	I really hope that I can start using the OSD soon, or I am going to have to get that thingy from Sandisk that records to SD/CF
[09:53]	<AsGF2MX>	SD/CF?
[09:53]	<theolodian>	Not buying another VCR either
[09:53]	<theolodian>	cards
[09:53]	<AsGF2MX>	Really would be better off getting yourself a TV tuner card
[09:54]	<AsGF2MX>	No no, I mean I didn't know Sandisk had a recording device for SD/CF
[09:54]	<theolodian>	Digital cable, TV tuner no good.
[09:54]	<AsGF2MX>	NTL?
[09:54]	<theolodian>	Yeah, they do. Found out about it after OSD.
[09:54]	<theolodian>	yes, NTL
[09:55]	<theolodian>	Don't want to leave computer on, want independent device.
[09:55]	<AsGF2MX>	Ah...that's another matter
[09:55]	<theolodian>	www.expansys.com
[09:56]	<AsGF2MX>	Looks interesting
[09:57]	<AsGF2MX>	But in terms of features, doesn't seem too different from the OSD
[09:59]	<AsGF2MX>	Strange
[09:59]	<theolodian>	gotta run, c u l8r
[09:59]	<AsGF2MX>	ok
[09:59]	<AsGF2MX>	laters
[11:53]	<AsGF2MX>	cr-tablet: Is the VMWare app torrent still functional?
[12:14]	<crweb>	AsGF2MX: says it is
[12:14]	<crweb>	AsGF2MX: Theres 10 seeds right now
[12:14]	<crweb>	pretty cool
[12:25]	<AsGF2MX>	crweb: I can't get any download at all
[12:25]	<AsGF2MX>	Downloaded 2MB then got canned :/
[12:26]	<theolodian>	As: Is this scratchbox thing for compiling in Winblows?
[13:00]	<AsGF2MX>	theolodian: ?
[13:00]	<AsGF2MX>	theolodian: I thought it was a VMPlayer appliance
[13:00]	<sourcerror>	crweb, nerochiaro: I said earlier that I'd put a wiki page that lists various projects with brief summary, status, and links to more details. I have something started at wiki.neurostechnology.com Can you look it over, edit your entries, add anything you want, let me know what I forgot or should change, etc? I'll try to bug some more of the people here in IRC after that. Then, I'll post i
[13:00]	<sourcerror>	t to the mail list.
[13:01]	<sourcerror>	and anyone that sees that page and I didn't list you as a contributor... that is a mistake. I'm relatively new h