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just something anything can interface with

ie, open a socket connection

and say

- like mpd

but, mpd in other aspects is also crap

oh, I see

Right, when you said "api" I thought you meant the client-server model in general, I didn't catch that you meant how, specifically, the two communicate

cause

xmms2's method

it's 2 hours past my bedtime, for the record. :-P

[02:18]

you have to port something to the client platform as well

[02:18]

rather than just send commands

[02:19]

<Ycros>

daurnimator: perfectly fine by me

[02:19]

<Ycros>

I'd rather be dealing with an api than some protocol thing

[02:19]

<Ycros>

(you COULD do something like xmlrpc, but meh, probably not entirely appropriate)

i could accept xmlrpc

but, mpd's method is great

- you can do it yourself

but there's ALSO a client api - but its optional

<Ycros>

what is mpd's method?

you open a socket to it

Well.. simple enough.. build a "client" for xmms2 that accepts commands on a socket. :)

<Ycros>

mind you, I don't know anything about how xmms2's socket api works

you say (eg): play

<Ycros>

it's probably just like mpd

chreekat: thats just stupidity

Ycros: its not - i read the source

[02:25]

<Ycros>

so how is it then?

[02:25]

just sends certain bytes AFAICS

[02:26]

their choice for doing it this way was that the client lib api would never change, but the socket commands will

[02:26]

Well, I can't really argue for or against any position any further without looking at the source

[02:26]

but... as its turned out, the client lib changes much more regulary than the socket api

[02:27]

<Ycros>

it's in active development

[03:58]

JoeBorn: ping

[03:59]

hows the derobert guide update going daurnimator :D ?

[03:59]

thats not even needed for most people now

[04:00]

all we need is for someone to write another guide (with sb etc)

[04:00]

anyway, i saw your post on OdNT now

[04:00]

and, i'm wondering how one would actually add things to the main menu in osdmain...

[04:01]

well, we don't have any kind of window manager, etc.

well

i'd love to start on an interface to online videos

but..... what api do i use

open.neurostechnology.com

and where will it fit in?

[04:08]

* JoeBorn scratches head to daurns good questions

[04:08]

<Ycros>

daurnimator, that's a damn good question

[04:08]

gao's on the phone, I'm going to ask him as soon as he gets off

[04:09]

<Ycros>

how _do_ you code an application within the menue

[04:09]

I know that his answer will be that he wants to build this window manager thing

[04:09]

so that different applications can coexist.

[04:10]

nerochiaro, you around?

[04:10]

<Ycros>

yeah, but if there's a defined api and widgetset

[04:10]

<Ycros>

you probably won't even need that

[04:11]

<Ycros>

a lightweight window manager would be nice

[04:11]

<Ycros>

it'd probably have to be customised somewhat though

[04:46]

on top of that

[04:46]

how could lobster fit in

[04:46]

how can you get a video window placed

[04:52]

where can I download latest firmware?

[04:53]

[04:53]

that hasn't even been released yet!

[04:54]

thnx a lot

[05:01]

can you say "where can I download latest firmware?" again?

[05:02]

<Ycros>

daurnimator, you don't get a video window placed, if you're using the dsp to decode

[05:02]

oh, that'd be right :(

<Ycros>

afaik anyway

so... we have to use overlays?

<Ycros>

I have no idea

<Ycros>

crweb would be a better person to ask

[05:08]

<nero_office>

jeez, i've never thought i would one day use this web chat

[05:08]

heh

[05:08]

what happended?

[05:09]

<nero_office>

i'm at the office today, just found out they increased the paranoia level somehow

[05:09]

<nero_office>

either that, or my home machine is down

[05:09]

<nero_office>

which is not because i can see my other nick

[05:10]

* daurnimator slaps nerochiaro around a bit with a large trout

[05:10]

setup vpn to home comp? ;)

[05:10]

<nero_office>

which won't pass throgh the firewall we have here

[05:11]

<nero_office>

i used to just ssh into my machine over port 443, but somehow that got blocked

[05:11]

ouch

[05:11]

<Ycros>

tcp over dns

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<nero_office>

beh, i'm not going to kill myself over this, i'm here only a couple days every two weeks. i can survive with webchat

[05:15]

<nero_office>

was JoeBorn looking for me earlier ?

v

[21:09:55] <JoeBorn> nerochiaro, you around?

yeah, daurn is interested in working on the google browser, and he had a question anyone would have

namely, put it in OSDMain or ?

[05:17]

<Ycros>

or "how do you write an application for osdmain"

[05:17]

<nero_office>

you can do that in two ways. one is to code it *into* osmain

<nero_office>

the othere at the mement would be to make it stand alone, kill osdmain and run it

right, and what do you reccomend?

<nero_office>

launching external apps from osdmain would require some minimal form of cooridination between osdmain and the app

<nero_office>

which we don't have right now

<nero_office>

well, i would reccoment standalone for now

[05:19]

<nero_office>

when later we implement some rudimentary window manager or a similar coordination method, then the app is already there and ready

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and, is the only option for a video interface to overlay it?

[05:21]

<nero_office>

what do you mean overlay it ?

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well

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if we want buttons on screen, or progress bar etc

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it will have to be over the video - right?

<nero_office>

yes, where else do you want it ?

like, have the video in a corner

and info in the rest of it

- with descriptions, author etc

[05:25]

<nero_office>

as far as i know resizing the video window is not possible, but i have never looked into it

[05:25]

<nero_office>

i mean resizing it independently of the framebuffer layer on top of it

[05:27]

<nero_office>

if possible, it would also come in handy for the EPG

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<nero_office>

we'll have to ask Gao

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i didn't think it would be possible

<nero_office>

maybe it is, you never know. they are two different "planes" after all

as the dsp sort of just.... outputs to the lower plane

- can you modify the plane after the dsp has rendered video to it?

<nero_office>

no, but you can tell the dsp to display it differently in the first place

and... would we have the grunt? - the scaler will already be busy

<nero_office>

that's a fair question, but downscaling doesn't have to be incredibly high quality anyway

<nero_office>

it's just a thumbnail thingie

<nero_office>

kild of

* nero_office curses old hard keyboard he has here

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heh, i'm suprised

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i'm learning - AND remembering stuf

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i can call on my knowledge from more than a year back :D

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<nero_office>

you should actually be able to call on your knowledge from way more back than that

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<nero_office>

but that's a start :D

[05:36]

<Simy>

I've just orderd a box and was wondering a few things, but cant seem to find them online....

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<Simy>

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<Simy>

So apparently nobodys awake.,... okies I'll check back later

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<nero_office>

wow, what a lack of patience

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impatience!

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and.... he didn't even ask a question

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:S

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at least he gave himself a name, that counts for somethign

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<nero_office>

JoeBorn: i'm sure he will come back

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<nero_office>

him/her/it

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<nero_office>

whatever

[05:53]

<nero_office>

funny how we assume all the people in here are male geeks

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heh

[09:11]

is anybody here using the OSD recording PAL?

[09:13]

The input Signal sometimes is streched, and cut of in the bottom.

[09:16]

<nero_office>

pal is not in good shape at the moment. the next firmware should get that fixed, i hear

[09:16]

fine

[09:17]

and what about saving user/pwd in network share, is there any conf file where i can type it in?

[09:21]

<nero_office>

not yet. it was requested as a feature recently, and it will be implemented

[09:21]

<nero_office>

couple days ago

[09:34]

is there a solution without finalizing the file, because it takes verry long time over network?

[09:40]

it seems to me that in the new firmware the finalizing is a bit faster ;)

[09:49]

<tom__>

i guess they decided to skip 0.61 ? I was told I'd have it a few days ago ;)

[09:50]

<nero_office>

there's a tag in svn for 0.61, but no news about a release indeed

tom__: 0.63 is an unpublished release

you can download it here

open.neurostechnology.com

<crweb>

i wouldn't

it fixed some network streaming bugs i was having

haven't run into any problems yet

<crweb>

if it wasn't published, it doesn't do me any good

<nero_office>

gao mentioned that next release will have some msp430 reprogramming, so maybe that's one reason they are delaying it. they want to roll all msp430 reprogramming in as few updates as possible

* crweb is waiting for to sync the build system/env with the new firmware

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<nero_office>

crweb: i have a fix to ask you for next release of that sbox build evn

[09:55]

<crweb>

yeah?

[09:57]

<nero_office>

crweb: i spent all yesterday in sbox and qemu channels to figure this out, but basically qemu in sbox is configured with too little stack space for programs and some crash. there's a fix that involves changing a couple scripts, i'll give you the details later when i get home

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<crweb>

ok

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<nero_office>

it's a bit hacky buy i need this to have a clean build script for e17

<crweb>

how about offereing in a patch?

<nero_office>

to you ?

<crweb>

i think thats what i'm going to do. each release offer things in patches

<crweb>

"patches"

<crweb>

going to ship a Qt4 "package" for the vm

<nero_office>

i'm ok, but it has to be applied as root as it changes some stuff in sbox innards

<crweb>

I dunno if i'll use deb's yet or not