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you'd just copy the URL to a text file on a card (or shared drive) and the OSD could just browse them, like other files and you'd hit play and it'd queue it up

[02:29]

we could do browsing later.

[02:29]

I just want to play a couple files for my pop, adn I'm sure I'm not alone

[02:32]

JoeBorn: what about saying that the file must have extensions .youtube (for example). when the osd file browser picks up files with that extension, if you "activate" them, a panel with the list of playable videos appears and you can select and play them

[02:32]

?

[02:33]

sounds simple enough for anyone, no ?

[02:36]

sounds great

[02:36]

nerochiaro = user interface genius

[02:38]

;) now, you just have to convince daurn to hack osdmain to implement that

[02:40]

convincing daurn to do something !=talk is a task in and of itself

[02:46]

hey

[02:47]

hey sourcerror, want to document crweb's handy vm image thing?

[02:48]

I think I did in the projects list. you mean documentation?

[02:48]

...separate documentation.

[02:49]

yeah, linux devices is looking for something to point their readers towards.

[02:50]

sure. I can start up a wiki page on it. when would it be useful to have it by ;)

[02:50]

ie, they run a story about the new build system image... but what do they link to?

[02:50]

my blog entry? :)

[02:50]

right. I see your point.

[02:50]

just tell me when you can do it and I'll forward that on to our contact there

[02:51]

I expect he'll time the release for when we have it (assuming he deems it fit to publish in the first place which I belive he will)

[02:51]

an instructions page would be really useful. so that we can just point people to it as we did with derobert's guide (which is in dire need of updating, by the way)

[02:51]

yes. I'll work on it Friday night and send out a note to crweb to look it over

[02:52]

yeah, I put a note on derobert's page to that effect

[02:52]

demonstrating the sad state of my ability to contribute :(

[02:52]

...talk about where/how to get VMware, and all that setup, getting the torrent, running the patch.

[02:53]

I'd say like nerochiaro said, it's a replacement for the application side of derobert's guide

[02:53]

sourcerror: also you might want to take some stuff to the wiki document titled "Scratchbox"

[02:53]

nerochiaro: you can explain the keyboard thing ;). I didn't really understand what was up with that.

[02:53]

sourcerror: the keymaps ?

[02:53]

yea that.

[02:53]

meaning it should answer the question "how do I get started" the folks that are interested in hacking the duck but don't know how

[02:54]

sourcerror: sure, but it's fixed with update 1 that crweb published

[02:54]

JoeBorn: provided you can get the team to release rootfs and uimage outside the upk's in a regular and reliable fashion

[02:55]

JoeBorn: otheriwse it's all kinda moot

[02:55]

thanks very much in advance sourcerror, there really are very few folk around here that are willing and able to document, so it really is appreciated

[02:55]

nerochiaro, is that not happening? gao already pledged to do that

[02:55]

I can ask him how to better make it a part of the procedure.

[02:56]

maybe jwu knows

[02:56]

sure. not that I enjoy it soooo much, but I know every little bit helps

[02:57]

well, i admit not following 100% what was going on with that, but frankly i would not know at the moment where to get these images other than a vague "ftp server". They should really be released togheter with the upk on the odnt official release posts (the ones with the egg image)

[02:57]

I know it's not the most fun task, so I wanted to let you know it is appreciated

[02:58]

ok, I can have that done.

[02:59]

i think it's trivially easy to do. they already have all the pieces at the point when they make the final upk. so it's just a matter of taking them and uploading them in the same post page

[02:59]

thanks

[03:00]

no problem I just fired off the email to Gao.

[03:00]

excellent, thanks

[03:02]

JoeBorn: damn, i've just made a fool of myself. i didn't know there was a release today. it has all the stuff i just asked for

[03:02]

i made you send that mail for nothing

[03:03]

wow, I edited that release, I'm really the fool

[03:04]

* JoeBorn whacks self with stick

[03:06]

so the plan is to have another release before chinese new year holidays ?

[03:12]

yep.

[03:13]

which starts next week ?

[03:13]

no 2/17

[03:13]

ok

[03:14]

* JoeBorn fires of "sorry I'm a retard" email to kwang

[03:15]

nah, i should've checked my mail before speaking

[03:19]

test

[03:20]

is crweb around?

[03:21]

seems not, it's 3:30am for him.

sure

my fault

i have a question

thomilla: don't ask to ask, just ask

[03:22]

have anybody tried to convert the new vmware build env to a qemu image?

[03:22]

nope

[03:22]

tried it

[03:22]

does not seem to weok

[03:22]

work

[03:23]

what is wrong ?

[03:23]

tried the following command

[03:23]

qemu-img convert -f vmdk Neuros\ Development-s001.vmdk neuros_qemu.img

[03:24]

command give nor error

[03:24]

but when i try to start the image

[03:24]

i got the following failure

[03:24]

GRUB loading, please wait...Error 18

[03:25]

any ideas

[03:25]

?

[03:26]

if you can edit the qemu image in some way, it might be worth to check what grub is trying to do. maybe the partition layout is different between the two types of images ?

[03:26]

thats the reason why i tried to find crweb here

[03:27]

just like to ask if he planed to release a qemu image

[03:27]

which its such easier

[03:28]

than to find the failure in the exiting image

[03:28]

he put out vmware player since he has a vmware license that allows him to make such images quickly and painlessly, as far as i know

[03:28]

also i'm not sure how easy is this for windows people to use qemu

[03:28]

is he a windows people?

[03:28]

don't think so

[03:29]

no, but there are windows people who want to work on the neuros

[03:29]

and vmware is easier than qemu on windows

[03:29]

sure

[03:29]

but i don't think its a failure to offer an alternative image

[03:30]

and qemu is nice

[03:31]

did you know how i can reach crweb?

[03:31]

agree

[03:31]

JoeBorn, nerochiaro: this is the starting outline for Scratchbox/VMware project page... wiki.neurostechnology.com

[03:32]

...I'll start filling it in on Friday

[03:33]

nerochiaro, what's going on over there? this is about the craziest thing I've ever heard www.nytimes.com

[03:34]

if you need help in creating documentation id like to help

[03:34]

sourcerror: ok, but for the "get torrent client" i'd link to an external guide, there are thousands

[03:35]

thomilla: BLESS YOU!!!!

[03:36]

nerochiaro: agreed. just enough info to explain what torrent is and client does and probably not even recommend any particular client.

[03:36]

@joeborn why?

[03:36]

for offering to help with documentation, we really need that

[03:36]

azureus is a nice client

[03:37]

ok im ready

[03:37]

it looks good to me sourcerror, I'll be happy to follow along with it.

[03:37]

I guess it should have some link to the derobert stuff since I guess that's still pertinent to kernel hackers?

[03:37]

thomilla: yea, that's the one I'm using on linux (I'm really new at the bittorrent thing)

[03:38]

or at least some context, since I guess it's not really clear (at least to me) exactly what's needed to do what

[03:38]

@sourcerror its nice cause it plattform independent

[03:38]

ah yes. link to derobert and say what this is not. i.e. why the derobert stuff is still needed.

[03:39]

and I guess I'd cut and paste stuff like the HW setup, which I guess will be the same (ie need serial cable null modem, etc)

[03:39]

could anyone ask crweb for an alternative qemu image?

[03:40]

JoeBorn: i'm curious to see what a foreigner perspective is on that berlusconi story. what is that you find especially crazy in that ?

[03:40]

thomilla: did you get my PM ?

[03:40]

thomilla: I didn't read your comment above on that. (let me read it)

ok

didn't get the pm

where i can find it?

thomilla: nevermind. just email crweb, his address is tom@limesg.com i'm sure he won't mind

[03:41]

thomilla: or ask in ML, he reads it

[03:41]

nerochiaro, well its "striking" although not really surprising how overt he is in his comments about women and his flirtations

[03:42]

thomilla: ah, I don't know anything about qemu. so I'll have to ask someone else explain that when we get there, but I'll make a note

[03:42]

what is so crazy is that his wife stays with him but asks for a public appology, I just can't reconcile that with anything I've ever seen before

[03:42]

thanks

[03:42]

I've seen plenty of relationships breakdown publicly

[03:42]

JoeBorn: I thought you were talking about cr for a sec :)

[03:43]

but to have them breakdown publically like that while they are still together is just incredible, I've never seen or heard of anything like that.

[03:43]

maybe she is planning to run for office, this is part of the campaign

[03:43]

I mean how could a wife write the newspaper to communicate with her husband who she's still married to?

[03:44]

do they live in the same house? do they have any direct communication at all?

[03:44]

@joeborn if you need help just send a pm

[03:46]

did anyone know the status of the lobster project?

[03:47]

JoeBorn: well, obviously she could've just told him personally. there are rumors she's looking to get into politics with some left-wing party, so maybe this is just a political move to show people she's detached from her husband "politics". especially considering he always played the playboy image, and in all the years she never said anything

[03:47]

thomilla: it's in stasis

[03:48]

if nerochiaro doesn't know the status of that project, then were in real trouble :)

[03:48]

thomilla: i have not updated it in some time, but shouldn't be hard to update it

[03:48]

sounds like the Clinton's (without the public apology part)

[03:48]

but is there just such a horrible stigma against divorce in Italy? why not just leave him?

[03:49]

would nice if you would leave a message when the update is done

[03:49]

my guess would be since he's still one of the most powerful and rich man around, that stuff comes in handy i guess

[03:49]

thomilla: sure, but not sure when it will happen

[03:49]

thomilla: if you need it, i can look at it

[03:50]

id liked your firmware with the integrated webserver xavante

[03:50]

thomilla: if you have media cards, you can install xavante in any other firmware you want

[03:50]

how?

[03:52]

thomilla: if you untar the xavante tarball on a media card under a directory called "osdroot", then plug in the card, it should appear in a couple seconds under the the root file system of the osd. then you will be able to launch it like you did in my old firmware

[03:54]

and where i can get these prebuild tarball?

[03:54]

svn.neurostechnology.com

[03:55]

oh, thanks! :)

[03:56]

I didn't know that either.

[03:56]

nice to know

[03:57]

thomilla: let me know if it still works

[03:57]

ok will try this

[03:57]

thomilla: when you mentioned lobster before i thought you were referring to the lua interface to neuros cooler GUI widgets

[03:58]

JoeBorn: no IRC meeting with gao tomorrow... right?

[03:58]

no, we should have it, I'd say, why not

[03:59]

last meeting we had was sat?

[04:00]

it looks like it should be sat, this week

[04:00]

cool.

[04:00]

@nerochiaro don't know much about the widegt stuff

[04:00]

can't follow you

[04:00]

i mean widget

[04:01]

thomilla: ok, that was the thing that needed updating (and what i normally refer to as "lobster"). the web server should be perfetcly ok

[04:03]

is lobster a project to connect the osd gui with the lobster stuff?

[04:03]

lua stuff i mean

[04:04]

kind of. it's a project to create GUIs from lua using the same GUI libraries that osdmain does

[04:05]

ah ok

[04:06]

which kind of gui are you talking about

[04:07]

all you see in osdmain

[04:07]

lists, buttons, images, etc

[04:08]

an alternative gui to osdmain?

[04:08]

or just porting the existent

[04:10]

no, it is a library for developers. it allows you to write such an alternative gui, or any other gui program you want, using the neuros cooler widgets from lua.

[04:10]

ok now i understand

[04:14]

will you release a guide how to use lobster?

[04:16]

thomilla: the widgets stuff or the web server stuff ?

[04:16]

widget stuff

[04:17]

what shoudl we talk about on Sat?

[04:18]

window managers?

[04:18]

E17, Q4?

[04:18]

JoeBorn: i'm not sure i'll be able to attend

[04:18]

thomilla: yeah, i can do that when i release the update

[04:18]

thomilla: but it's not soon

[04:19]

oh, ok.

[04:19]

well, what do you all think?

[04:20]

not time for updating soon?

[04:20]

thomilla: i'm working on other stuff at the moment, i don't have time to update lobster. maybe later on near end of month

[04:21]

ok, id just like to ask

[04:21]

ok im leave

[04:22]

wish you all a nice day

[04:22]

bye

[04:36]

JoeBorn: sorry I brought up the meeting and then left. I have a lot to say about the GUI. I've been writing up stuff about "rearranging" what is in OSDmain trying to clean it up so I can post it and start getting feedback.

[04:41]

* sourcerror is heading off to sleep (2:40am here)

[04:56]

anyone find this funny? open.neurostechnology.com

[04:57]

the post text or the mugs ?

[04:58]

the post

[05:03]

not bad, especially the "immediately dispatching EFF freedom fighters" bit

[05:14]

I need to recompile samba on my OSD. Is getting set up to do this incredibly hard?

[05:18]

it might be easier now with the new build env that crweb released recently

[05:18]

but i'm not sure if samba support requires recompiling also the kernel

[05:19]

what do you need to recompile specifically ?

[05:42]

I need smbfs support

[05:42]

I need it to mount my samba NAS box that I have been getting help with

[05:44]

so you need to enable the smbfs module in kernel build, i suppose

[05:45]

ah, no

[05:45]

i think you can do that with the vmware build env then

hi all

hej

sup

<suma>

join #asterisk

[08:03]

?

[08:04]

Does anyone know when JoeBorn will be on?

[08:04]

AsGF2MX: he's in china. it's 22 there.

[08:04]

Oh

[08:05]

I probably will be grabbing some bits of hardware a bit later today so I was wondering if I could fix the OSD myself :/

[08:06]

Has the fix for the problem with my OSD and the like ever been mentioned anywhere?

[08:07]

rebooting when connecting video in ? i think not, but am not sure

[08:07]

Mine was marked as one of those "problem" units

[08:08]

JoeBorn last mentioned that all it was , was one or two missing capacitors

[08:09]

Although I've already got the RMA number and stuff, I've been doing a few things so I didn't respond to it but seeing as I might grab a few things this afternoon, it won't hurt if I look.

[08:09]

*look for the components

[08:10]

i wasn't aware it was already diagnosed a faulty unit. i recall someone mentioning some specifics on capacitors used to fix an hardware issue, but other than grepping into the logs i won't know how to find that

[08:11]

Hmm

[08:11]

How long ago? I think I wasn't on...for 2 days?

[08:11]

maybe if you post in ML asking for that, someone who knows will answer

[08:12]

it was more than two days ago for sure

[08:12]

in the IRC? let me download and grep

[08:14]

yes

[08:17]

hmm

[08:17]

The last thing I'm getting is from a chat I had

[08:18]

then maybe i'm remembering wrong. either post in mailing list or shoot him an email directly

[08:19]

Going to shoot him an email

[08:20]

I see nothing in the ML

[08:25]

Oh well

[08:25]

I hope he replies

[08:26]

By the way, under normal circumstances, does popping the OSD open void the warranty?

[08:26]

it's generally so with consumer electronics. so i guess it applies here as well

[08:27]

:/

[08:28]

but by all means, don't take my word for it

[08:29]

If he replies, that would be great.

[08:30]

Hmm

[08:32]

I see a new firmware release as well, are the files available for it to be used over the network?

[08:37]

AsGF2MX: what do you mean ?

[08:37]

Those missing files

[08:37]

which ones ?

[08:38]

There were a few files that were missing last time that I had to get seperately from the china server

[08:38]

I think it was the filesystem

[08:38]

ah, yes, they should be there, downloadable from the odnt page where the firmware was posted

[08:38]

(Auto-Reply) OSD firmware binarys (.upk) can be found here: open.neurostechnology.com

[08:39]

auto-reply?

[08:39]

the hell is that ?

[08:39]

we've got a daurn spambot too ?

[08:39]

I've been away what...2 days

[08:40]

and there's so many changes...including daurn turing into a bot ?

[08:40]

no idea what's that about

[08:40]

what other changes there were in 2 days ?

[08:41]

New firmware, looks like the VM is on its way quite well (I got it but didn't patch it yet)...talk about g-videos...

[08:42]

Ok, not a lot but...I wonder what other things I've missed

[08:43]

nerochialo: I hope you're not preparing a long list ;)

[08:44]

AsGF2MX: hehe, no. i actually got back to work

[08:44]

;)

[08:45]

* AsGF2MX sighs in relief

[08:45]

i know i have this habit of writing up long sentences in chat

[08:45]

but don't worry

[08:47]

Not today though. But it does make it a lot easier to understand than lines of messages being interleaved from various people :)

[08:47]

that's why i do it, although i hate when it takes too much time and the discussion has drifted away already

[08:48]

<Ycros>

blah blah blah firmware download

[08:48]

(Auto-Reply) OSD firmware binarys (.upk) can be found here: open.neurostechnology.com

[08:48]

<Ycros>

heh.

[08:48]

It's a fine line though

Ycros: lame script

firmware?

download?

firmware download?

(Auto-Reply) OSD firmware binarys (.upk) can be found here: open.neurostechnology.com

[08:49]

that's the trigger?

[11:09]

<crweb>

nerochia1o: i just realised why they didn't have a base rootfs

[11:09]

<crweb>

nerochia1o: when they go to tar it up, it tars the .svn dir's

[11:10]

<crweb>

i told them to copy the base file system, and the generated fs into a different dir, not into the base dir

[11:10]

<crweb>

that way this wouldn't happen

[11:11]

does the one released with the current firmware have the .svn stuff in it too ?

[11:11]

<crweb>

yes

[11:11]

<crweb>

root.cramfs does

[11:11]

<crweb>

0.63

[11:11]

<crweb>

found it when i was tar'ing it up

[11:12]

you can still use it though

[11:12]

it's just ugly

[11:12]

<crweb>

its 600k extra i think

[11:13]

you won't put that onto flash anyway, so space isn't really the concern. it's just wrong, but not harmful

[11:13]

<crweb>

?

[11:13]

<crweb>

its in the upk

[11:14]

you mean they put the .svn dirs on the root.cramfs that goes INTO the upk ?

[11:14]

<crweb>

yes

[11:14]

<crweb>

the don't give me a tar/gz of the rootfs, they give me the root.cramfs

[11:14]

<crweb>

which is correct

[11:14]

ewww ! so it's always been 600K of wasted space

[11:14]

<crweb>

i wanted the actual files

[11:14]

<crweb>

no, it is now

[11:14]

<crweb>

because they implemented my base rootfs idea

[11:15]

<crweb>

incorrectly

[11:15]

<crweb>

thats why they used make

[11:15]

ok. so before it was generated everytime and thus no .svn in it. now the base is stored in svn, so it has .svn dirs in it

[11:15]

<crweb>

right

[11:16]

<crweb>

they were suppose to merge /base and /generated into /rootfs

[11:16]

<crweb>

i'm guessing someone got lasy and decided to just cp -R /base/* /rootfs

[11:16]

<crweb>

lazy

[11:17]

looks so. it's .svn everywhere straight from the root up

[11:17]

<crweb>

everything but /

[11:17]

i've got them in / too

[11:17]

i've just flashed that fw

[11:17]

<crweb>

mm.. maybe i'm must blind

oh, sorry

that was /root

is clean

<crweb>

whats your permissions

[11:18]

on the .svn ?

[11:18]

<crweb>

500:244?

[11:18]

<crweb>

no on files in general

[11:18]

<crweb>

owner group

[11:19]

500 224, yes

[11:19]

<crweb>

k

[11:19]

should be root/root no ?

[11:19]

<crweb>

you're logging in as root

[11:19]

<crweb>

so it doesn't matter

[11:20]

probably not

[11:20]

<crweb>

wow

[11:20]

<crweb>

i take that back

[11:20]

<crweb>

its 600k compressed

[11:21]

<crweb>

3.5mb decompressed