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crweb: there are no developement headers in your packages, right ? (for cooler, i mean)

in your vm updates

<crweb>

correct

<crweb>

for now

<crweb>

you would still have to have the libraries

<crweb>

even if you had the headers

<crweb>

haven't work out how i'm going to do that yet

<crweb>

damnit..

<crweb>

time for a new cpu fan too

i just make a dir Neuros-Cooler with lib and include under that in sbox home and copied over the files from cooler. took 10 seconds

<crweb>

btw, i came up with a how to make a clean package

<crweb>

build your app, then don't make install

<crweb>

do the sb-menu and clean the target fs

<crweb>

then go back make install

<crweb>

walah, empty rootfs with only your files you installed

unless your package needs something during install phase that you have cleaned up, it works

<crweb>

everything is still there

<crweb>

all the commands used aren't in Target/

<crweb>

they are in the sbox path

but really, i wouldn't bother. /usr/local/ is all that people need to install to. and that's clean

let's not get around confusing people

<crweb>

unless you're building firmware

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you won't do that inside the vm, didn't we estabilish that ?

[15:07]

it's for user applications

[15:15]

<crweb>

why couldn't you?

[15:15]

<crweb>

you have the rootfs, and the uImage

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but the rootfs isn't inside sbox. it's just there to be server via nfs

[15:18]

<crweb>

doesn't stop you from copying your files to /srv/neuros-osd-rootfs and then making a root.cramfs

[15:19]

<crweb>

you dont' need svn at all to make a upk/firmware

[15:19]

<crweb>

that was the whole point

[15:19]

<crweb>

you have everything svn produces. you can use it however

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my point is that there's little software that makes sense to build outside /usr/local/, for the OSD

[15:22]

of course you can build whatever you want, i'm not arguing against that

[15:23]

i was just saying that for most people the full sbox reset might not be necessary

[15:28]

<crweb>

its going to be useful for making packages

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<crweb>

not compiling programs, but actual packaging.

yes, but only if you install in a place different that /usr/local/

Milesy2: If you want a variable defined in a script to exist on the shell after you run the script, you have to *source* the script

Milesy2: Well, I only know bash, so ignore me if you are using something other than bash

<crweb>

nerochiaro: package manager will have to always assume its files are going to /usr/local then

<crweb>

which isn't always the case

<crweb>

sure, we could force it to always be /usr/local

well, depends on package manager, but i get your point

a clean tree is clean

<crweb>

i'm writing one

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cool :)

[15:31]

ah, after the sbox reset, do you need to reinstall stuff, right ?

[15:31]

at least i did have to on mine

<crweb>

right

<crweb>

you make install

<crweb>

then tar it up

<crweb>

then reset again

<crweb>

then re-inistall /etc/ rootfs etc

it would be better to provide a reset+reinstall script then

otherwise you need to rember each time what you need to reinstall

<crweb>

its in the sb-menu

that's my point, it's boring using sb-menu

you just reset and reinstall with a command

not 10 clicks

check sb-config cmd line interface to sb-menu

<crweb>

bleh..

<crweb>

heh

[15:35]

<crweb>

I was trying to not learn how to use sbox

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i'm trying to help you here ;) if you can just tell people "run reinstall.sh" instead of explaining them every time what commands they need to do in sb-menu, you will save lots of time

[15:36]

streamline is the keyword here

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* crweb caves

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* nerochiaro awards +1 to crweb for caving in

[15:37]

<crweb>

damn points...

[15:38]

that's your own idea after all

[15:38]

<crweb>

heh

[15:39]

<crweb>

here, i have some of my more serious sketchwork

[15:41]

artistry or design sketches ?

[15:41]

<crweb>

both

cool, didn't know you also did art drawing

<crweb>

yeah, actually I oil paint

<crweb>

scanner isn't quite large enough for that

<crweb>

i need a digital camera bad..

which subjects ?

<crweb>

?

which are the subjects of your paintings ?

<crweb>

my stuff is pretty abstract

<crweb>

<crweb>

404 on the second

er 403

<crweb>

huh

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<crweb>

dunno why it did that

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<crweb>

try again

<crweb>

thats on my Toshiba Tecra M4 S435 tablet :)

wow, not bad at all

simple but effective

<crweb>

i've got a rose here too thats nice

<crweb>

can't find it though

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<crweb>

hah, still on the tablet

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crweb: nice painting..

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<crweb>

www.limesg.com

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<crweb>

crap, its not doen

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<crweb>

ok, now it is

[15:51]

<crweb>

thats the insert under the cd in my album jewel case

<crweb>

not really good

<crweb>

back cover

the insert

<crweb>

its not really visable

still looks pretty cheap

<crweb>

the alpha is very very lwo

<crweb>

you can barely make it out

the cover is 403 too

<crweb>

oh wait

<crweb>

neat-tom didn't go

<crweb>

we switched to the geometric art, i forgot

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who's on the cover ?

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<crweb>

me

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wow, that's completely different than the other picture

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<crweb>

www.limesg.com

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<crweb>

is the inserts and album arts

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<crweb>

its that bar, allong the left most sides, then black

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<crweb>

I'd have to actually open the plastic on one of these to see what they look like

[15:57]

<crweb>

i can't remember which I used

[15:57]

<crweb>

they go on sale feb 13th

[15:57]

good luck with that

<crweb>

its just for fun :)

<crweb>

and to show up my old band mates

since when luck hurts in anything ;)

<crweb>

hah

<crweb>

don't want to much luck

[15:59]

pfff

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<crweb>

already did the fame thing, didn't like it

[15:59]

<crweb>

i still get people stopping me at gas stations and stuff saying "your that guy that played in that band"

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<crweb>

can be 200-300 miles from home

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does that annoy you ?

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<crweb>

yeah a little bit

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<crweb>

heh

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won't take long for them to forget

<crweb>

its been 3 years

<crweb>

its not quite so common now days, but I get those stares from people and they are like "where do i know him from"

<crweb>

of course, i give them too

it's pretty natural

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<crweb>

I play solo for the first time at a coffee house feb 13th

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<crweb>

thats going to be fun :)

[16:04]

get someone to tape and youtube it

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so we can have crweb on our OSDs even more than we have now

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;)

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hehe

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I have concluded that I am going to through this crap NAS box in the bin!

[16:07]

Going to setup a nano-itx machine with Linux booting off a SD card as a file server!

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nice, small, quiet, and low power!

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Just upgraded firmware! my avi files are not jumping as much now

still seems like their are frames being dropped... but its not jumping all over the place!

and the fast forward and rewind work

yay

what's the maximum path lenght in linux ?

hmm, nevermind

stupid question

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can anyone try to attach an usb disk using 0.63 ?

[16:23]

it's looks broken to me

[16:25]

can test an SD card through USB adapter if u want?

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it's ok

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it's still seen as mass storage

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it doesn't get mounted to /media for me

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oh wait, doesn't work with cards either. something else is fishy

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SD card works through adapter

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recorded file works fine too

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crweb: i believe it has something to do with that fuct up permissions on the rootfs files we seen yesterday. did you manage to fix that ?

[16:29]

the take2 version didn't work for me either

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One other thing, it still leaves the status of the last media that was attached showing after the media is removed.

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but the status bar itself may be the OSD, just the symbol for the last media?

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<crweb>

nerochiaro: i fixed it here

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<crweb>

nerochiaro: but then like you said when you tried it, it was still fd up

yes, it is still that way

<crweb>

i've packaged, repackaged, tar'd with -p

<crweb>

no matter what, the dates revert, and the permissions are wrong

but also for you too, i hope

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<crweb>

I haven't tried in the vm, but on my desktop yes

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<crweb>

they are basically the same though

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give it a shot in vm, i'm curious to see if it's just me or what

<crweb>

well decompress on my desktop does the same

ah, ok

<crweb>

i will fix it tonight

<crweb>

much later

thanks

np

btw, have you used trunk recently ?

<crweb>

i don't even have a copy

ok