[00:02]	<Ycros>	heh. okay then.
[00:02]	<Ycros>	what's the d for?
[00:02]	<crweb>	revisions
[00:13]	<crweb>	ok.. so they've all but totally disabled flashing our own firmware
[00:13]	<crweb>	Image Correct
[00:14]	<crweb>	but then no flash
[00:22]	<crweb>	heh..
[00:22]	* crweb  is risking a bricked osd for the NAS thing
[05:01]	<crweb>	open.neurostechnology.com :)
[05:01]	* crweb  releases first NAS (network attached storage) firmware to the public
[05:02]	<crweb>	I've been using it for a while figured time to pass it out.
[05:03]	<crweb>	I actually threw away my media card reader, and have just been using my networked OSD for access to CF, SD, and MemoryStick cards
[05:20]	<Ycros>	nice
[05:20]	<Ycros>	so I could get a usb hub and stick a bunch of drives on it, eh?
[05:20]	<Ycros>	shame we don't have high speed usb2 support
[05:21]	<Ycros>	that would actually make a pretty cool device
[05:21]	<Ycros>	have a small device with say, 8 high-speed usb 2.0 ports
[05:21]	<Ycros>	that serves them out with samba and whatnot
[05:22]	<Ycros>	and you just plug whatever cardreaders, usb keys, usb hard drives into it
[05:25]	<crweb>	this will make it so you don't have to remove the media to copy recordings from it
[05:25]	<crweb>	i get about 1.2mb a second
[05:25]	<crweb>	mbytes
[05:25]	<crweb>	from MemoryStick over smb
[05:25]	<Ycros>	yeah
[05:26]	<Ycros>	that's okay
[05:26]	<crweb>	1.2mbyte/s with CF also
[05:27]	<crweb>	and a lot of these:
[05:27]	<crweb>	ide0: unexpected interrupt, status=0x58, count=75
[05:27]	<Ycros>	is cf on usb?
[05:28]	<crweb>	cf is ide
[05:28]	<Ycros>	it's not a true pcmcia slot?
[05:28]	<Ycros>	I've been tempted to buy another CF wifi card
[05:28]	<crweb>	there isn't a difference
[05:28]	<crweb>	those aren't the same
[05:29]	<crweb>	pcmcia-ide, is ide
[05:29]	<Ycros>	I wasn't sure if it was setup to only support masstorage devices
[05:29]	<crweb>	the wifi cards, are actually 2 different cards on teh same pins
[05:29]	<crweb>	i'm pretty sure this is just a storage slot
[05:29]	<crweb>	I don't see any isa drivers
[05:29]	<crweb>	or chips
[05:29]	<Ycros>	hmmmm
[05:30]	<Ycros>	used to use the CF wifi card on my zaurus
[05:30]	<crweb>	and it was a pcmcia slot
[05:30]	<Ycros>	same with SD?
[05:30]	<crweb>	you had to start with pcmcia utils
[05:30]	<Ycros>	there are SD wifi cards
[05:30]	<Ycros>	yeah
[05:30]	<crweb>	the sd ones take special drivers
[05:31]	<crweb>	we don't even have usb input, i doubt seriously if that is implemented
[05:31]	<Ycros>	we can have usb input
[05:31]	<crweb>	i mean full input
[05:31]	<crweb>	not a hack
[05:31]	<Ycros>	:)
[05:31]	<crweb>	theres more to all of it than that one pipe
[05:32]	<Ycros>	nobody else has tested it, and I don't have a plain usb keyboard to test it with
[05:32]	<crweb>	things actually use that pipe
[05:32]	<Ycros>	nor any program to hook up a mouse to
[05:32]	<crweb>	its not good enough just to send it so devices activate
[05:32]	<Ycros>	hmm?
[05:32]	<crweb>	I mean, "it works"
[05:32]	<Ycros>	what are you talking about?
[05:33]	<crweb>	PIPE_INTURRUPT
[05:33]	<crweb>	thats just one small aspect. It go the driver to connect to the devices and them work
[05:33]	<Ycros>	yeah.
[05:33]	<crweb>	its not correct though
[05:33]	<crweb>	who knows what issues go on behind the scenes
[05:33]	<Ycros>	I cat /dev/input/mouse whatever and I get stuff back from moving the mouse that looks right
[05:34]	<Ycros>	comparing with my desktop
[05:34]	<crweb>	i'm talking about the actual usb layer
[05:34]	<crweb>	not the devices
[05:34]	<Ycros>	but you're totally right, I have no idea what I'm doing
[05:34]	<Ycros>	I just saw an opportunity to try out a hack, I didn't expect it to work
[05:35]	<crweb>	i set it to 62M of ram, and I get 2mbytes a second now
[05:35]	<Ycros>	I tried looking at other host drivers, but they are implemented totally differently
[05:35]	<Ycros>	doesn't our usb chip adhere to either uhci or ohci?
[05:35]	<crweb>	probably not
[05:35]	<Ycros>	I suspect it does, but that they've written their own host drivers
[05:35]	<crweb>	its built into the dm320
[05:36]	<Ycros>	aye
[05:36]	<crweb>	if i remember correctly
[05:36]	<Ycros>	but every other driver that I've seen is implemented over the ohci or uhci abstractions
[05:37]	<Ycros>	you seen the openmoko project?
[05:37]	<crweb>	yes
[05:37]	<Ycros>	they're doing a good job of keeping all the hardware open - except for the GSM chip
[05:37]	<Ycros>	GSM because it's illegal in many countries to open it
[05:38]	<crweb>	next gen of Ti chips i think will be very open too
[05:38]	<Ycros>	but you still have access to a serial device which you can send modem commands to it
[05:38]	<crweb>	we are using a chip that was made in 2001, open stuff was still pretty unheard of
[05:38]	<Ycros>	ahh, yeah.
[05:39]	<Ycros>	I'm thinking about getting an openmoko phone
[05:39]	<crweb>	i'm going to start looking into putting dev board together
[05:39]	<Ycros>	a custom one?
[05:40]	<crweb>	I want arm cpu, with vga, keyboard, mouse and harddrive
[05:40]	<crweb>	it would be pretty cool to design the board
[05:40]	<crweb>	lots of fun
[05:41]	<Ycros>	yep
[05:41]	<Ycros>	I bet you can get free samples for all of your stuff as well
[05:41]	<Ycros>	:P
[05:41]	<Ycros>	so basically you want an arm PC
[05:42]	<crweb>	yep
[05:42]	<Ycros>	sounds cool
[05:42]	<Ycros>	how fast do they make arm chips?
[05:42]	<crweb>	you can get xcales up to 533mhz
[05:42]	<crweb>	i'm reading the docs on the usb chip
[05:43]	<crweb>	it does way more than ingenient lets on
[05:43]	<Ycros>	I've run my zaurus at 610~ I think
[05:43]	<Ycros>	you can overclock it a bit
[05:43]	<crweb>	it can suspend/resume, remote wakeup, etc
[05:43]	<Ycros>	don't wanna do that too much though
[05:43]	<crweb>	wish i could write drivers
[05:44]	<Ycros>	you can, with time and patience
[05:44]	<crweb>	this chip isn't going to be out to much longer
[05:44]	<Ycros>	lots of stuff to learn
[05:46]	<Ycros>	crweb: I wonder how much such a pc would cost
[05:46]	<crweb>	wish i could see the source to ONE of the vid codecs
[05:46]	<crweb>	so i could at least see their structure
[05:47]	<crweb>	time for bed
[05:47]	<Ycros>	yeah
[05:47]	<crweb>	I've made all the releases i'm going to make for a while
[05:47]	<Ycros>	you could always sign that NDA :P
[05:47]	<crweb>	you don't get that source
[05:47]	<Ycros>	oh?
[05:47]	<crweb>	and I have all the doc's
[05:47]	<Ycros>	just docs?
[05:47]	<crweb>	right
[05:47]	<crweb>	the source is closed
[05:47]	<crweb>	even neuros doesn't see it
[05:48]	<Ycros>	bah.
[05:48]	<Ycros>	is that open DSP bridge going anywhere?
[05:49]	<crweb>	no idea
[05:49]	<crweb>	as you can see, i haven't actually touched underneath things in a while
[05:50]	<crweb>	bed time, night
[05:51]	<Ycros>	cya
[05:52]	<daurnimator>	hi
[05:55]	<daurnimator>	doesn't mgao see it?
[05:55]	<daurnimator>	he went to visit ingenient
[05:55]	<daurnimator>	and helped them with their code :P
[06:24]	<crweb>	working with code, and taking it home are 2 different things
[06:25]	<daurnimator>	[22:45:55] <crweb> wish i could see the source to ONE of the vid codecs
[06:25]	<daurnimator>	he SAW it
[06:25]	<daurnimator>	:P
[06:26]	<crweb>	and that does me how much good?
[06:26]	<daurnimator>	nothing
[06:27]	<daurnimator>	just, you may be able to ask him a question about it
[14:32]	<srobertson>	open.neurostechnology.com <- drupal's running on lighttpd, bugzilla's next
[14:33]	<Ycros>	lighttpd rocks
[14:33]	<eigma>	what was it running on previously? apache?
[14:36]	<srobertson>	apache, yup
[14:36]	<eigma>	what was wrong with apache?
[14:36]	<srobertson>	slow under load
[14:36]	<eigma>	I see
[14:47]	<JoeBorn>	hi all
[14:50]	<JoeBorn>	anyone want to give me a hand getting NFS setup with this virtual machine...?
[14:50]	<JoeBorn>	I want to record the superbowl :)
[14:51]	<eigma>	what's not working?
[14:52]	<JoeBorn>	I don't know, I don't know where to start :(
[14:52]	<JoeBorn>	there's no current guide that I know of
[14:52]	<eigma>	well, do you have the VM installed and running?
[14:53]	<JoeBorn>	yep, I'm at a login prompt
[14:53]	<eigma>	wasn't there a blog post about it?
[14:53]	<eigma>	or was it the ML?
[14:54]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: so did you install just the VM ?
[14:55]	<JoeBorn>	the vm software and the image from BT
[14:56]	<JoeBorn>	now, I'm at the neuros dev login
[14:56]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: ok, get also this www.limesg.com
[14:57]	<JoeBorn>	sorry I also did the update thing from the blog post
[14:57]	<nerochiaro>	login as "neuros" password "neuros2"
[14:57]	<JoeBorn>	yep
[14:57]	<nerochiaro>	did you also install this ? www.limesg.com
[14:58]	<JoeBorn>	I just installed the original vm image and then open.neurostechnology.com
[14:59]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: you need also to install the last link i just pasted, or you will have nothing for your OSD to boot off of
[15:00]	<nerochiaro>	i also hope you have serial console to your osd, do you ?
[15:00]	<JoeBorn>	well well, I've got all the HW setup, do I do that through windows or the VM?
[15:02]	<nerochiaro>	1) install into the VM that update i just liked above 2) from windows, open a serial console to the OSD and go into uboot
[15:21]	<nerochiaro>	sourcerror: you there ?
[15:22]	<JoeBorn>	ok, I'm in uboot
[15:24]	<nerochiaro>	ok, i forgot to tell you, in the VM, type "ifconfig" and see under eth0 which IP address does the VM currently have
[15:25]	<nerochiaro>	it's the line that tells "inet addr"
[15:25]	<JoeBorn>	wait, first I guess I have to do a wget thing with the 63 thing?
[15:25]	<nerochiaro>	ah, thought you did that. yes, get the .63 update i linked
[15:26]	<nerochiaro>	unpack and run the script that you find in there
[15:28]	<nerochiaro>	it should tell you it has upacked a lot of files, then "Your system is now up to date with the new firmware"
[15:34]	<srobertson>	bugzilla up (tried to upgrade to 2.22.1, but didn't feel like redoing the theme -- upgrade's still on the table tho)
[15:34]	<JoeBorn>	it had a bunch of warnings about "implausibly old" something or other, but then it said it's up to date, but that I had to flash my OSD with the new firmware too
[15:35]	<JoeBorn>	hi srobertson
[15:35]	<srobertson>	JoeBorn: hi!
[15:35]	<JoeBorn>	2 hours to kickoff, I guess you don't care, but I sure do!!!
[15:35]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: the warnings are ok, crweb never managed to get these away, but they are harmless. which firmware you have on your OSD right now ?
[15:35]	<JoeBorn>	probably .58, not older I don't think
[15:36]	<nerochiaro>	you need to get .63 on there
[15:36]	<nerochiaro>	upgrade it
[15:37]	<JoeBorn>	ok
[15:41]	<JoeBorn>	my wife really loves that upgrade screen, "here we go upgrading the root.cramfs again!" she says
[15:41]	<nerochiaro>	heh, i can see how that won't mean a thing to non techies
[15:42]	<nerochiaro>	we should put there one of these nice progress bars
[15:42]	<nerochiaro>	with the eye-ear logo just for spice
[15:42]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, something like that, particuliarly since it's so slow.
[15:42]	<JoeBorn>	your favorite, the eye-ear logo
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	i've get used to it now
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	don't worry
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	after some months of nightmares of era canal inspections
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	ear canal
[15:43]	<JoeBorn>	is there any documentation on the new vm setup?
[15:44]	<nerochiaro>	aye. wiki.neurostechnology.com
[15:44]	<nerochiaro>	but it's for building stuff mostly, not for booting off of it
[15:44]	<nerochiaro>	sourcerror is working on it
[15:45]	<JoeBorn>	oh, should I add the update stuff we just did, will that always be necessary?
[15:45]	<srobertson>	2 hours to kickoff == 2 hours left to clean up after my roommates' excesses from last night - so that they may destroy my apt. again tonight :(
[15:46]	<JoeBorn>	srobertson, please remember two words, that's all I ask:
[15:46]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: if you want to boot off of it, yes. but of course there will be a different update package for each firmware that will come out later
[15:46]	<JoeBorn>	Da Bears!
[15:47]	<srobertson>	i'm tempted to look up whoever's playing and shout their name back at you for spite
[15:47]	<JoeBorn>	actually, its funny, they say more people host superbowl parties than New Years Eve parties
[15:47]	<JoeBorn>	but I haven't been invited to a single one, we're not horsing around here.
[15:48]	<JoeBorn>	the last thing I'm interested in is going to some party with kids or half interested people mulling about.
[15:48]	<JoeBorn>	I'm staying home watching it with my Dad, and no one comes in that is not a full fledged Bear fan.
[15:49]	<srobertson>	aww, that's... that's really sweet. i'm touched. right here.
[15:49]	<nerochiaro>	man, that's like hearing some folks around here that are rabit soccer fans
[15:49]	<nerochiaro>	er, rabid
[15:49]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, I imagine its like that
[15:49]	* srobertson  imagines rabbit soccer
[15:49]	<srobertson>	AWW! EVEN CUTER!
[15:49]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: lol, poor rabbit
[15:50]	<JoeBorn>	ok, I'm booted to .63
[15:50]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: cool. now get the current IP of your VM, using ifconfig as explained above
[15:50]	<nerochiaro>	once you have it, go into uboot and run this command
[15:51]	<nerochiaro>	setenv serverip 192.168.1.101; setenv nfs_serverip $(serverip); setenv rootfs_nfs_loc /srv/neuros-osd-rootfs; setenv kernel_loc neuros-osd/uImage;
[15:51]	<nerochiaro>	replace the IP that's in there with the IP you just found out for your VM
[15:53]	* theolodian  remembers the Coke ad from the '02 World Cup!
[15:55]	<JoeBorn>	well, I typed that in, I hope I got it right, it just returned the uboot prompt
[15:57]	<theolodian>	Anyone else getting corrupt video recordings? White dots across the top?
[15:57]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: it's ok. now type
[15:57]	<nerochiaro>	setenv bootcmd run devkernel
[15:58]	<nerochiaro>	then
[15:58]	<nerochiaro>	saveenv
[15:58]	<nerochiaro>	at this point after it finishes saving, just type "boot" and hopefully you should boot straight from the VM
[15:59]	<JoeBorn>	programming flash... done... back to uboot prompt
[15:59]	<nerochiaro>	type "boot"
[15:59]	<nerochiaro>	cross your fingers
[16:02]	<JoeBorn>	didn't work, but the OSD seems to be a different subnet, can I set it to something more sensible.
[16:02]	<JoeBorn>	this OSD has not been networked AFAIK
[16:02]	<nerochiaro>	the pc and the OSD should be able to see each other, of course
[16:03]	<JoeBorn>	can I set the IP of the OSD in uboot? how?
[16:07]	<nerochiaro>	try this
[16:07]	<nerochiaro>	setenv ip ip=192.168.1.100:192.168.1.1:192.168.1.1:255.0.0.0:neuros::off
[16:07]	<nerochiaro>	the first IP you see becomes the one used by the OSD
[16:07]	<nerochiaro>	the second is the gateway, the third the subnet
[16:07]	<nerochiaro>	then saveenv again
[16:08]	<nerochiaro>	then boot again
[16:08]	<JoeBorn>	that's what the IP current is, but the vm ip is 192.168.2.145 so I'm not sure it's right?
[16:09]	<nerochiaro>	can you reach the VM from your PC ?
[16:09]	<JoeBorn>	ping the VM from my host PC?
[16:09]	<nerochiaro>	er, sorry, the OSD from your PC
[16:10]	<JoeBorn>	ping it? no response
[16:11]	<JoeBorn>	I'm on wireless on the PC and VM, and ethernet to the OSD (same Access Point)
[16:11]	<JoeBorn>	maybe I should switch both to ethernet?
[16:11]	<nerochiaro>	pinging it while you're in uboot won't work
[16:11]	<nerochiaro>	switch them to ethernet ? where are they now ?
[16:12]	<JoeBorn>	PC and VM both on WiFi
[16:12]	<nerochiaro>	might help. but remember to restart the VM after you do that
[16:13]	<nerochiaro>	i mean, the whole VMWare player
[16:13]	<nerochiaro>	i'm not sure if it will get a new IP or not
[16:13]	<JoeBorn>	ok, I'll try
[16:20]	<JoeyBorn>	I did the setenv stuff, but it's still showing the same old ip 192.168.1.100
[16:21]	<nerochiaro>	you have to set that to some IP that makes sense to the network you're in
[16:21]	<srobertson>	hey, can someone with an odnt account confirm a behavior for me?
[16:21]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: try
[16:22]	<JoeyBorn>	I tried with the setenv stuff, I guess I just did it wrong?
[16:22]	<nerochiaro>	what did you put in to set the ip ?
[16:22]	<srobertson>	sorry, let me be clearer - an account on drupal, the website; not odnt, the server
[16:23]	<nerochiaro>	yes
[16:23]	<Shadyman_>	what about drupal?
[16:24]	<srobertson>	Shadyman: I'm moving odnt to lighttpd, and i'm getting something unexpected; just wanted to make sure it's repeatable
[16:24]	<Shadyman>	ah
[16:25]	<JoeyBorn>	nerochiaro has an account and so do I (as you know)
[16:26]	<JoeyBorn>	I can't get that new IP to stick, I must be doing something wrong with that command
[16:26]	<nerochiaro>	JoeyBorn: ok, tell me what you're doing so we can fix it
[16:27]	<JoeyBorn>	setenv ip ip=192.168.2.54:192.168.2.1:255.255.255.0:neuros::o
[16:27]	<JoeyBorn>	ff
[16:27]	<JoeyBorn>	Neuros Devboard > boot
[16:28]	<JoeyBorn>	ok, well I should probably pick this up tomorrow...
[16:28]	<JoeyBorn>	how do I set uboot to boot from flash?
[16:28]	<nerochiaro>	JoeyBorn: setenv bootcmd run cramfs_boot
[16:28]	<nerochiaro>	the saveenv
[16:28]	<nerochiaro>	then boot
[16:31]	<nerochiaro>	have a nice football game Joe
[16:31]	<JoeyBorn>	all is well!
[16:31]	<JoeyBorn>	Thanks very much!
[16:32]	<JoeyBorn>	did you get your feeback srobertson ?
[16:32]	<nerochiaro>	JoeyBorn: we'll try that networking some other time, if you don't get someone else to fix it before
[16:33]	<nerochiaro>	JoeyBorn: and yes he did, i checked it
[16:48]	<JoeyBorn>	ok, everyone, time for some pre-game meditation :)
[16:48]	<nerochiaro>	cheers
[21:41]	<Inc>	www.ratemyturban.com
[21:55]	<crweb>	i have arrived
[21:58]	<crweb>	hmm.. no fanfare... guess the bears losing caused a huge stroke across the world