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hi

hi.

how do i get the neuros osd to see ntfs winxp shares have you had luck with it yet (im using .69 firmware) and i have droped my firewall and enabled the messenger service against my better jugment!

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wont even see the fat32 shares ether

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have you read the issue on the ML/wiki?

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?

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no

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iv been trying to get info on it all night

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i've seen titles of pages that mention problems with XP shares

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* daurnimator searches

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comments.gmane.org

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crweb: care to comment?

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i will take a look

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see this: open.neurostechnology.com

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though that may already be in 0.69

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seems it has

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GuestN244: you sure you're on .69?

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here: open.neurostechnology.com

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"Firmware- Networking and Streaming - Can support Windows 2000 and Linux and also can support Windows XP if you set the shared folder’s permissions as Everyone. OSD slows-down when is in samba if network is disconnected suddenly, and OSD stalls if network is disconnected when playing/recording video in Samba"

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<crweb>

well

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<crweb>

considering the fact that when you are playing/recording video to a network device

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<crweb>

and you just unplug it... wtf do you think is going to happen?

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<crweb>

shared folders permissions default as everyone

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<crweb>

thats all just common logic

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<crweb>

what happens when you pull a card out while its being recorded to?

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<crweb>

which still is very different

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yes i have .69 i flashed tonight and verifyed in properties on osd

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<crweb>

you get a "hey, card was pulled out" from the kernel if a card is pulled out

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<crweb>

there is no, "hey, network cable was unplugged", fromt he kernel

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<crweb>

i'm all for usability and stuff, but there is a point where a user is just going to have to use his/her brain

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also im able to ftp in with crwebs ftp server trick!

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<crweb>

you can't take a dvd out while its playing and it still play, and you can't eject a vcr tape out while the vcr is recording

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<crweb>

GuestN244: congrats :)

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thanx crweb but it would be nice if the new firmware saw my xp shares now so i can have both options

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<crweb>

GuestN244: that is a bug that is being worked on

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your the man! i dont know how you can code so fast with results

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<crweb>

GuestN244: and actually, its a bug with windows xp

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ah

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i bet vista is even more of a bitch

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<crweb>

well, maybe,maybe not

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<crweb>

microsoft linked XP name announcing to the windows messenger service

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<crweb>

which they disabled in XP SP2 to stop messanger service virus from spreading everywhere

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<crweb>

why these 2 unrelated items depend on eachother, no one knows

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vista has many versions and the lower versions have the inability to log on to domains!

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<crweb>

GuestN244: nothing new there

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<crweb>

GuestN244: only XP Pro can login to domains

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well i had the messenger service runing and i still had no luck

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ah i only have xp pros in the building1

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<crweb>

you have messanger service enabled?

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<crweb>

why?

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<crweb>

some XP machines can't even see XP machines

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not now but when i was testing the osd .69 to see if it works i did on one of my junk boxes

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<crweb>

ah

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<crweb>

well there is more to it than that

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<crweb>

it will be fixed soon

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i had that problem with the xp not seeing xp with my laptop but it has cured since a win update about 2 months ago~

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<crweb>

I have to go to bed, happy hacking :)

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in one of the articals i read it said osd should show up in mshome workgroup but no luck ither

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<crweb>

no

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<crweb>

thats my firmware

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night crweb

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ah i am mistaken

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<crweb>

I'll be releasing a 0.69 version of the NAS server version soon

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they have to get your stuff intagrated!

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<crweb>

one that flashes without all the hassle for sure

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nice

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<crweb>

open.neurostechnology.com

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<crweb>

I don't recommend doing it though

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<crweb>

just wait for the update

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i will

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<crweb>

not that its broken

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but im going to read the info

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<crweb>

its just that the flash stuff was fixed

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<crweb>

and there will only be 1 step to take in the next flash version

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<crweb>

night for real this time :)

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haha night

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ir blaster works in this release it changed my samsung tv to channel 22 sweet!

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* nerochiaro mornings everyone

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hello

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hey

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anyone know of another mp3 player besides neuros that syncs well under linux software?

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hmm sorry, i don't know

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JoeBorn: hi, you around ?

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<crweb>

hi

hey everyone

hi sgomes

chreekat: hi

lots of news in neurosland, hehe

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I'm here now

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Hey joe

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hey JoshMalone, long time no see, how are things?

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okay. I need to ge tmy OSD out of mothballs and try the new software

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I'm like 4 releases behind since I last tortured mine

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yeah, we've been getting the releases fast and furious.

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in fact, we have .72 out now

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open.neurostechnology.com

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if someone can give that link a shot.

downloading

seems fine

fine here, 2

I'll try installing it tonite

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I've actually got a backlog of stuff on OdNT

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I've got a waterproof OSD for windsurfing

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I've got an OSD on some kind of space mission

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OSD on police bikes

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<Coderjoe|work>

wow

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OSD's stuck on the snouts of pig as they are running through the herd

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(ok, I just made that one up)

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<cr-tablet>

did i miss something?

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<cr-tablet>

I don't think pigs herd... so, change that to hurd, double funny

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<Coderjoe|work>

except the OSD isn't running hurd

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<cr-tablet>

it wouldn't be running through the hurd if it was, it would be part of the hurd

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<cr-tablet>

yeah.. i dunno...

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* cr-tablet is grasping at straws

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<cr-tablet>

I laughed... thats what matters

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I'm not much the wordsmith as derobert is fond of pointing out.

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<cr-tablet>

crweb, vanish

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<crweb>

mmm.. that was an unexpected result..

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crweb: hi, i had to step out. were you looking for me ?

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<crweb>

not that I can remember

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ah ok

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<crweb>

for the past 2 weeks my alarm clock has been set to the wrong time

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<crweb>

i've been going to bed at 2 on my pc. and getting up ath 7 on my alarm clock

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<crweb>

which, was actually 5:30

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man, and it took you 2 days to notice ?

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<crweb>

then I'd fall back asleep and miss everything

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sometimes happens to me too. i turn off the alarm, wake up and didn't recall turning it off

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<crweb>

well, I would be way to tired so I'd lay back down and fall asleep again, waking back up at 11am

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<crweb>

which 11am is after all my classes and stuff

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<crweb>

but, it would be 11am on my pc

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<crweb>

i wouldn't look at the clock again, till it went off in the morning

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<crweb>

I dunno how long it has been going on

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<crweb>

it explains some things though.. like being to tired to fucntion in the morning, turning off the alarm and waking up way late

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weird stuff is you regularly forget

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I use my cell phone for an alarm clock when I'm in xiamen and it's a horrendous alarm clock

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get a text message at night and the alarm won't sound for example

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<crweb>

JoeBorn: thats how I found out

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<crweb>

JoeBorn: my dad called me right after my alarm (that i set for 9am yesterday) went off

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JoeBorn: my old phone had an alarm clock that won't work if the phone is off. and if i left the phone on, it would lose battery midway through the night. genius

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<crweb>

JoeBorn: i looked at my phone and it said 78:15

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<crweb>

7:15

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<crweb>

nerochiaro: thats him (shirour) with the cown compiled driver

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hi

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<crweb>

long time no see

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yeah... it has been hectic lately

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how are you? congr. for the prize!

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<crweb>

shirour: ah, yeah. I keep forgetting about that

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<crweb>

heh

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shirour: hi. i was wondering if you can send me the .ko of the framebuffer driver you guys use on the mrobe

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<crweb>

anyway, have you still got that fb driver built?

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nerochiaro: currently it's compiled into the source.

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i can send you the sources instead

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into the source of the kernel ?

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yes

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<crweb>

shirour: yes please.

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yes, send them then, that would help much

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<crweb>

if i give you a login, you can upload it to me

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ok. what are you guys doing?

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quite well, thanks

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what do you need the sources for anyway?

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<crweb>

nerochiaro: that would be "how"

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and why don't you just use the original from cowon?

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no, thanks was for the drivers

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<crweb>

oh i see

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we need it since the one from ingenient we have is very bad

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<crweb>

shirour: the cowon source is 2.6.5

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you can't basically change resolutions with the one we use

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<crweb>

shirour: i have a patched/updated 2.6.15 that you gave me, but not all the source

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<crweb>

aka.. i can't exactly figure out how to compile it

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same here

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<crweb>

well.. actually its a time issue

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<crweb>

don't have any, need some, can't waste any

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it's just easier if we get the one you have and you're sure it builds

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no problem. i'll give you the sources

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<crweb>

can you sftp?

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yes

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<crweb>

shirour: i already have cowonfb.c

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<crweb>

shirour: i need your full source/how you got it to build

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<Dark_Aurel>

Hi all!

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<crweb>

shirour: quads.vwords.com shirour/sh1234

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Dark_Aurel: hej

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crweb: this cowonfb.c has some changes

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<Dark_Aurel>

nerochiaro, hi! how r u?

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Dark_Aurel: pretty sleepy, sore neck, but nothing a good night of rest can't fix

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<crweb>

shirour: firewall blocks dcc

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crweb: you can dcc it here if you want

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<crweb>

yeah, send it to nerochiaro

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<Dark_Aurel>

Does anyone worked with boost::function library?...

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: have yes

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<crweb>

I perfer qt

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<crweb>

same concept

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<crweb>

both qt4-console and boost are extention/replacements for stdlib

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nerochiaro: dcc it is

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, does there any way to compare 2 boost::function objects?

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crweb: in order to build it put it in drivers/video, edit the kconfig & makefile, run meun-config and select it, and then rebuild your kernel

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shirour: one second and i'll accept that dcc

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ok

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: boost::function objects aren't really objects

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crweb: where did you have problems with building the driver?

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, explain, pls...

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: i believe its more of an api/interface

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crweb, nerochiaro: i'll just paste it in pastebin

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, hm... boost::function has state so i think there should be way to compare them...

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pastebin.ca

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: they are just templates

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<crweb>

www.boost.org

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: it wraps an object

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<crweb>

they will never be equal

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did you get the file?

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<crweb>

unless they point to the same exact thing

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<Dark_Aurel>

So...

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shirour: so it's just this ? pastebin.ca

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<Dark_Aurel>

I have boost::function<void (int)> f1(somefunc);

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nerochiaro: yes

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<Dark_Aurel>

and boost::function< void (int) > f2(somefunc2);

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<Dark_Aurel>

i just need to know is f1 binded to the same function to f2.

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: they can't be equal. unless one is just an alias/pointer to the other

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crweb, nerochiaro: do you need help inserting it to the kernel?

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<crweb>

shirour: yes he does

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, ok. i see...

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<crweb>

I did it once, but can't remember

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no problem.

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shirour: i try what you said above. if i have problems i'll ask you, thanks

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ok

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* nerochiaro goes trying

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: the thing is, they don't exist after compile

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we had to change cowon's driver a bit in order to make it a bit more general purpose

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: you can't compair themb because they dont' actually exist

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<crweb>

brb

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brb

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<crweb>

if you are in the united states and want some higher performance, I'm selling an intel p4 2.8ghz cpu for $80

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<crweb>

actually, nvrmind. I can't sell it for what it is selling for new

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crweb, i'm setting up a NAS I bought a while ago, and it is sheer misery

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your OSD NAS is definately going to be the way to go.

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<crweb>

JoeBorn: what kind?

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<crweb>

JoeyBorn: I'll try to update it to the newest firmware tonight

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well, I have two, an NSLU2

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and a coolmax something or rather.

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I'm trying to use the coolmax because it's got an enclosure for an internal HD which I like, but holy smokes is it miserable.

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tell it to scan the drive adn it drops the network connection, now it's been at it for an hour

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with just a blinking red and green light.

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who knows what that means. I'm tempted to whip it across the room and show it who's boss.

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<crweb>

that would show it

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stomp on it too

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, why don't they exist? instances of it has size, so i think they exist;)

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<srobs>

nerochiaro: any luck..?

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srobs: i need to know how it's defined in kconfig for you

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srobertson, the wayward son returns

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JoeBorn: i'm not sure he's him. i think it's shirour

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srobs: are you shirour ?

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oh, well it doesn't really matter anyway, just IRC smalltalk anyway

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: no, they don't exist, they are a language structure

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JoeBorn: :)

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: boost::function is a template class

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nerochiaro: yeah.. sorry...

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nerochiaro: what do you need to know?

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, so what?... boost::function is template, but boost::function< void (int) > is class.

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in kconfig, how is the item for the fbdriver defined ?

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just copy an exist video driver and change the file name to the cowons

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shirour: no, i need to know also the "depends on" and "select" items

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, or i'm wrong?... I can create instances concreate boost::function's, for example boost::function< void (int) >...

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nerochiaro - pastebin.ca

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and "obj-$(CONFIG_FB_COWON) += cowonfb.o"

in the makefile

shirour: trying now

ok

<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: I will read some and see if I can explain it better later

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, ok...

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: but i'm pertty certian that they can never be equal. They are just pointers, 2 instances would have 2 different addresses. Unless they contained the same exect instance of an object, they could never be equal

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<Dark_Aurel>

boost::function< void (int) > f1(boost::bind(&A::f, &a, _1));

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<Dark_Aurel>

boost::function< void (int) > f2(boost::bind(&B::f, &b, _1));

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<Dark_Aurel>

boost::function< void (int) > f3(boost::bind(&B::f, &b, _1));

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<Dark_Aurel>

In this example f2 == f3.

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<crweb>

no it doesn't

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<Dark_Aurel>

Why?

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<crweb>

f2 and f3 are not the same

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<Dark_Aurel>

They call absolutely identacal functors.

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<crweb>

f2 != f3 because f2 is a pointer at address x and f3 is a pointer to address y

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<crweb>

there would have to be a compair fucntion. f3.compare(f2)

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<crweb>

compare

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, why f2 pointer to address different to f3? You mean that f2 points to different instance of functor-object made by bind?

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<crweb>

f2 is a pointer right?

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<crweb>

pointers have addresses

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<Dark_Aurel>

f2 is instance of boost::function<void (int)> class

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<Dark_Aurel>

but why (f2 == bind(boost::bind(&B::f, &b, _1))) returns true?

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<crweb>

f2 = 0x8888, *f2 = data points to.

[15:53]

<crweb>

*f2 == *f3 might work

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<crweb>

but f2 != f3

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<crweb>

thats pointer comparison

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<crweb>

f2 is a pointer to an instance

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<crweb>

according tot he doc

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<Dark_Aurel>

thinking....

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<crweb>

pointer to a function pointer

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<Dark_Aurel>

there is a operator==() to compare boost::function with any functor.

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nerochiaro?

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<crweb>

thats because f2 == 0 (NULL)

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<crweb>

means it is empty

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shirour: the driver was just built, i need to try it

[15:56]

<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: the major detail you are missing i think is that f2 is a pointer, not an instance

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<crweb>

f2 and f3 are not the same address

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<crweb>

they might point to the same address

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nerochiaro: good

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crweb: do you remember what is the default kernel config file we use ?

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<crweb>

nerochiaro: arch/arm/ntosd-dm320_defconfig

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ah thanks

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<crweb>

something like that

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<crweb>

I'm out of battery, i'll be back

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<Dark_Aurel>

crweb, why do you think f2 is pointer?...

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nerochiaro: any luck?

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shirour: still working on it, sorry

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<crweb>

Dark_Aurel: cause i read somewhere in there that it was: www.boost.org

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<crweb>

I'll be back in a few

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shirour: on the device you have it on /lib/modules/2.6.15/kernel/drivers/video ?

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i don't think you need that

no, i know

i was just asking

yeah

i need some quick program to test it, osdmain won't work because it uses some ioctls that are specific of the other driver

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one sec

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nerochiaro - pastebin.ca

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shirour: looking at ti

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shirour: what should that program do ?

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draw a rect on the screen

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does it work?

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no, it draws nothing

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what does it print in the console?

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The framebuffer device was opened successfully.

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480x640, 16bpp

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The framebuffer device was mapped to memory successfully.

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but nothing is drawn

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maybe i just need to turn the fb on

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but i don't remember the ioctl command

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oh... sorry, can't help you with that... we don't have the same hardware

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but it looks as if it wrote the data to the fb...

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yes, i'll figure that out, it seems a good starting point

ok

good luck..!

bye

shirour: thanks a lot

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np

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damn, something is wrong with that driver. if i run the same test program with the itfb driver it works, so it's not some missing ioctl call. it's some call to hardware inside the driver itself

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that's missing

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oh well, i need sleep for now

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yeah, this coolmax thing is fairly offensive

[20:50]

crweb: I was having some trouble getting an internet connection with the VM - I ended up having to change eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces

[20:51]

crweb: and fwi, the VM works fine under the beta version of VMware Fusion on my mac

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hi all

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hi hellwolf, how's it going?

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JoeyBorn, hi, I've received the box. Thanks. And I feel so family with it since it's also a arm9 based machine. I'm trying to porting something on it :)

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what are you going to port?

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My build system and package system. But before this I maybe also be to get family with existing stuff. But since I just received yesterday, so I can't tell more.

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<crweb>

dotslashlycos: the value of eth* would depend on how your vmware is setup

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<crweb>

dotslashlycos: if you have 2 network devices specified in vmware, then you might have to select the 2nd interface

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crweb: allright - thanks

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<crweb>

hellwolf: familiar

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