[10:10]	<JoeBorn>	hi all
[10:10]	<nerochiaro>	hej
[10:11]	<JoshMalone>	hey Joe
[10:13]	<vmarks>	hej!
[10:20]	<JoeBorn>	hows everybody doin?
[10:21]	<nerochiaro>	pretty sleepy, it's a depressing day
[10:23]	<JoeBorn>	weather?
[10:25]	<nerochiaro>	yeah, gray as the bottom of a bucket. plus some very annoying and terribly boring problem with this piece of dotnet crap i'm working at right now
[10:25]	<nerochiaro>	they don't make a good combination
[10:39]	<nerochiaro>	vmarks: got the notes and shots of the epg mockup ?
[10:58]	<vmarks>	got em.
[12:16]	<crweb>	weather is amazing here
[12:16]	* crweb  is heading out for golf
[14:26]	<JoeBorn>	what should we talk about at the next meeting ?
[14:26]	<JoeBorn>	in about 30 hours I guess.
[14:28]	<nerochiaro>	well, given that there have been very little activity lately, with the team being on vacation and all that... i have no idea
[14:57]	<JoeBorn>	well I posted something, I'd like to finish out the instructions for the dev stuff
[14:57]	<JoeBorn>	speaking of which, I need to pick up some cat5 cables, etc to wire up my house.
[14:58]	<JoeBorn>	alternatively, how hard is it to make an AP into a bridge?
[14:58]	<JoeBorn>	is that something I have to flash the whole firmware or is that something supported by APs out of the box?
[15:37]	<sourcerror>	JoeBorn: FYI, nerochiaro and I discussed some simplification of how i18n is done. nerochiaro had great idea to use gettext() which is already part of the current OSD build! Important stuff but probably a little boring for the meeting. I'm need to a little more experimenting then will post a thread on the mail list.
[15:38]	<nerochiaro>	if Gao will be around i think it's a good time to propose that idea to him
[15:40]	<sourcerror>	nerochiaro: I'll try to do the other experimenting before then. time is a little short though... got birthday celebration going on tonight (not mine).
[15:41]	<nerochiaro>	well, it's worth discussing with him anyway, you can do the rest of the experiments later. it's better you have a good party, instead :)
[15:44]	<sourcerror>	I'll try to do the simplest expeirment of creating the binary file and getting gettext to locate it in the filesystem. Then I'll have some confidence in the proposal.
[15:44]	<nerochiaro>	good
[15:45]	<nerochiaro>	derobert: you around ?
[15:47]	<sgomes>	hi all
[15:47]	<nerochiaro>	hi
[15:47]	<sgomes>	hi nerochiaro
[15:51]	<crweb>	yo
[15:52]	<sgomes>	hi crweb
[15:52]	* crweb  is boxing up a years worth of dead hard drives to send back for warranty replacement :)
[15:53]	<nerochiaro>	how high is the body count ?
[15:53]	<crweb>	7
[15:53]	<nerochiaro>	bad year eh ?
[15:53]	<crweb>	3 ata100, 1 ata 133, and 3 sata
[15:53]	<crweb>	yeah
[15:54]	<crweb>	when i get them all back, I dunno where i'll beable to put them
[15:54]	<crweb>	but they'll work.
[15:54]	<crweb>	i tend to just upgrade when they die
[15:55]	<nerochiaro>	you can put my addresson the return address of one of them if you don't know what to do with them ;)
[15:55]	<crweb>	80gig main sata drive died, replaced with 320gig
[15:55]	<crweb>	80 gig hardly seems worth putting back in the machine
[15:55]	<crweb>	i could use it for /home, but then I'd just fill it and still have 200 gig on the /
[15:56]	<crweb>	i lost a 120gig with many tv episodes including all of Lost, and The Office 2 days ago..
[15:57]	<crweb>	irony at its bet
[15:57]	<crweb>	best
[16:04]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: aw, you can't really backup that stuff though
[16:05]	<crweb>	i tried once
[16:05]	<crweb>	I've got 4 200 disc cd folders full of burned dvd's
[16:05]	<crweb>	of just tivo content
[16:06]	<daurnimator>	i have 2 sata drives that were in a jbod array that have missing partition tables, and i can't get the data off the second one.
[16:06]	<crweb>	daurnimator: partition tables are no problem
[16:06]	<daurnimator>	the second drive has every console game pre PSX
[16:06]	<crweb>	gparted
[16:06]	<daurnimator>	gparted worked on the first drive, not the second
[16:07]	<crweb>	when I just had to recover, i used this tool i can't remember what its called
[16:07]	<crweb>	pulls files off without partition data
[16:07]	<crweb>	i had deleted the partition table by mistake
[16:08]	<crweb>	then bout this program to recover the data
[16:08]	<crweb>	bought
[16:08]	<crweb>	I recovered it, and transfered it from firewire drive -> usb drive
[16:08]	<daurnimator>	brb
[16:09]	<crweb>	i had used the mv command
[16:09]	<crweb>	machine locked up. So when i rebooted i rm -rf the data from the usb drive to start over cause mv usually doesn't delete the files until they are fully copied
[16:09]	<crweb>	and it had actually fully moved
[16:09]	<crweb>	ext3 you can't undelete from.. so..
[16:09]	<crweb>	i lost 265gigs of audio
[16:10]	<crweb>	R-Studio
[16:10]	<crweb>	the recovery software worked great though
[16:13]	<nerochiaro>	what you guys think of monitoring the neuros SVN with CIA
[16:13]	<nerochiaro>	?
[16:15]	<crweb>	whats cia?
[16:15]	<nerochiaro>	cia.navi.cx
[16:15]	<nerochiaro>	tracks activity on OSS projects and does interesting statistics
[16:15]	<nerochiaro>	commit activity
[16:17]	<daurnimator>	we could
[16:17]	<daurnimator>	oh well, i'm going to goto school
[16:17]	<daurnimator>	i'm really sick, but i've hardly been for 2 weeks
[16:17]	<nerochiaro>	i posted in ML about that. if anyone is interested please add your opinion so the admins will do that
[16:17]	<daurnimator>	already missed 1st period
[16:18]	<nerochiaro>	daurnimator: have good school
[16:18]	<daurnimator>	nerochiaro: you working for neuros paid?
[16:18]	<nerochiaro>	not yet
[16:18]	<nerochiaro>	hopefullly very soon
[16:21]	<daurnimator>	well done with that ;)
[16:21]	<daurnimator>	going to move to usa? :P
[16:21]	<nerochiaro>	nah, the USA are overrated ;)
[16:21]	<nerochiaro>	plus if i had to move somewhere, that would be china
[16:35]	<daurnimator>	ok, cyas
[20:40]	<daurnimator>	damn
[20:40]	<daurnimator>	had to come home
[22:26]	<crazy6>	so, people talk about msp430 programming a lot in here?
[22:42]	<natetrue>	i would not call it 'a lot' by any means
[22:42]	<natetrue>	the neuros OSD contains an MSP430 but the source is closed and we do not speak of it
[22:44]	<RobbieVantafario>	Yo
[23:21]	<Inc>	img470.imageshack.us << graffiti at its best
[23:36]	<may1937>	hah! good one
[23:38]	<daurnimator>	lol
[23:40]	<crazy6>	or www.flickr.com
[23:41]	<may1937>	not bad, but the other get more points for ragging on cops
[23:42]	<Inc>	crazy6: yeah, I put that one on my blog the other day
[23:42]	<Inc>	inc-omplete.org
[23:42]	<eigma>	it just got facebook'ed
[23:42]	<Inc>	check out the second one down
[23:42]	<eigma>	Inc: haha your web site crashed IE
[23:43]	<may1937>	eigma: that's a feature
[23:43]	<eigma>	that's not saying much, though..
[23:43]	<eigma>	hehe
[23:43]	<crazy6>	so, I know I asked before, but then my connection crappe dout... searching on google, I found a lot of references to MSP430 programming in here... does anyone do msp430 programming?
[23:44]	<may1937>	oh yeah
[23:44]	<Inc>	haha, eigma good deal :) that's how I roll
[23:44]	<Inc>	I put javascript in
[23:44]	<Inc>	that if someone tries to open it up in IE
[23:44]	<Inc>	BAM!
[23:44]	<Inc>	actually, I didn't ;)
[23:44]	<eigma>	you're kidding
[23:44]	<eigma>	hehe
[23:45]	<Inc>	eigma: ie 6?
[23:45]	<eigma>	yes
[23:45]	<may1937>	crazy6: not for neuros but yeah i have used the little guys before
[23:45]	<Inc>	ah, that's probably why
[23:45]	<eigma>	crazy6: I haven't touched the MSP430, but what are you trying to do? maybe there's general uC help I could offer
[23:45]	<Inc>	i'm not even going to bother supporting IE6
[23:45]	<Inc>	get a real browser bro
[23:46]	<eigma>	oh, I'm not asking..
[23:46]	<crazy6>	may1937: would you know how to do something like, say, run an LED off PWM to controll the brightness? I am playing with that cheap ez430 kit
[23:46]	<may1937>	Inc: you're supposed to offer him a nickel first... "here's a nickel kid, get yourself a better browser"
[23:46]	<eigma>	Inc: yeah yeah.. everyone says that
[23:46]	<Inc>	may1937: haha
[23:46]	<Inc>	eigma: at least get IE7
[23:46]	<Inc>	well if everyone says it
[23:46]	<eigma>	...it must be true? :)
[23:46]	<Inc>	'everyone' must not be 'wrong'
[23:47]	<Inc>	if everyone said to jump of a cliff
[23:47]	<Inc>	hell yeah I'd do it
[23:47]	<eigma>	free beer at the bottom, I bet
[23:47]	<may1937>	i'd be the last one so a goodly pile of bodies piles up first
[23:47]	<may1937>	crazy6: you mean like hardware pwm? i can't remember i'd have to check the datasheet to see it if is supported, but certainly you can just do pwm with a gpio line
[23:47]	<Inc>	may1937: exactly, just bounce of the fattys and you will be safe
[23:47]	<eigma>	point is.. I do actually use FF.. I've just been forgetting to set as default handler for http:// ... for 3 months now
[23:47]	<Inc>	that's how I roll
[23:48]	<Inc>	it's like a trampoline
[23:48]	<may1937>	Inc: that's how you bounce
[23:48]	<crazy6>	may1937: well, I think I could do a busy-wait PWM, probably. But I am trying to use the timer to do it
[23:48]	<eigma>	though, IE is faster; and I can save more screen realestate
[23:48]	<crazy6>	becasue I guess thats the "more right" way
[23:48]	<Inc>	may1937: exactly :)
[23:48]	<Inc>	eigma: I want some of whatever you are smoking
[23:48]	<Inc>	don't hold out on me bro
[23:48]	<eigma>	haha
[23:49]	<may1937>	crazy6: sure timer would work
[23:49]	<Inc>	in any case, I thought I'd drop in for shits 'n giggles and to convert IE users
[23:49]	<Inc>	I failed on the last point
[23:49]	<Inc>	so I must go to sleep
[23:49]	<crazy6>	may1937: yeah, well, my questions are kind of specific.. like is an interrupt thrown when the timer counts up to the value I set inthe compar register?
[23:49]	<Inc>	'nighteo
[23:49]	<eigma>	cya
[23:50]	<may1937>	crazy6: depends on how you set the timer up. you have a datasheet, right?
[23:50]	<crazy6>	may1937: yes, but it is a little complicated and I'm inexperienced
[23:50]	<crazy6>	should I link you to the user's guide?
[23:51]	<may1937>	i have the x1xx one here, is that what you are using?
[23:51]	<crazy6>	no, 2013
[23:51]	<may1937>	sure go ahead
[23:51]	<may1937>	i can't stick around too long but maybe i can give you a couple pointers
[23:51]	<crazy6>	www.ti.com specific chip datasheet
[23:51]	<crazy6>	ah ok
[23:51]	<crazy6>	that'd be helpful
[23:52]	<crazy6>	and the user's guide, which is more descriptive as a whole: www.ti.com
[23:53]	<may1937>	yeah that's the juicy one
[23:53]	<crazy6>	do I want CCIE ? TAIE ?
[23:56]	<eigma>	quick Google search for "msp430 pwm" turned up some useful resources... manufacturer's application notes are also usually pretty interesting
[23:56]	<crazy6>	yeah, there is a code for motor control with PWM (which I want to de eventually), but its in assembly
[23:56]	<crazy6>	which is even more confusing!
[23:57]	<may1937>	yeah ti loves their asm
[23:57]	<crazy6>	and they all use their devices hooked up directly to the timer pin
[23:57]	<crazy6>	whereas I want to use this with an already made board
[23:57]	<crazy6>	so I need interrupts to turn the LED on and off
[23:58]	<eigma>	oh, I see
[23:58]	* eigma  goes back into hibernation
[23:58]	<may1937>	yeah i don't think you want capture mode
[23:58]	<may1937>	take a look at page 173, that is what you want, right? count up to the TACCR0 value?
[23:59]	<crazy6>	yeah, I think so. But I want it to throw an interrupt when it gets to a certian value, too