[03:00]	* TankC  is away: I'm busy
[11:01]	<shaunm>	somebody should make neurosaudio.com redirect to www.neurosaudio.com instead of giving an error
[11:01]	<shaunm>	typing 'www' is so 20th century ;)
[11:04]	<JoshMalone>	no...actually giving DNS zones A records is so....evil
[11:04]	<JoshMalone>	I hate it and refuse to do it on anything I control
[11:16]	<shaunm>	evil how?
[12:08]	<NC-17>	i go with shaunm on this one
[12:28]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: what's so wrong with that redirect ?
[12:48]	<JoshMalone>	I just don't like zones having A records
[12:48]	<JoshMalone>	but it seems I'm like the only 1 who feels that way now
[12:50]	<NC-17>	it seems like you are giving up a lot of usability just for being technical
[12:50]	<JoshMalone>	perhaps.
[12:50]	<NC-17>	in fact sometimes i think sites that dont work when typing it domain.tld dont know what they are doing?
[12:50]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: i don't see the problem, and not doing it annoys users. where is the advantage ?
[12:50]	<NC-17>	err !
[12:50]	<JoshMalone>	but how hard is it really to tack www onto something
[12:51]	<NC-17>	too hard :)
[12:51]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: but why should you impose that if it's useless ?
[12:51]	<Clint>	nerochiaro: you may want the IP to point elsewhere for any number of reasons. what you are espousing is a very web-centric viewpoint
[12:52]	<NC-17>	i dont disagree with clint
[12:52]	<JoshMalone>	for instance, mail might like to use the zone's A record
[12:52]	<JoshMalone>	and then you have email conflicting with www....so it's better to just not have either
[12:52]	<nerochiaro>	Clint: i know, but most of the time there's no other service exposed from the domain except web. the www is redundant in that case
[12:52]	<NC-17>	use mail.domain.tld
[12:52]	<JoshMalone>	then you're forced to use MX record for mail, and www. A record for web
[12:53]	<Clint>	what you really want are http srv records
[12:53]	<Clint>	too bad web browsers don't support them
[12:53]	<NC-17>	base it off port access
[12:53]	<JoshMalone>	but when addressed to domain.tld then what?
[12:53]	<JoshMalone>	that's what we have to do here and it sux
[12:53]	<JoshMalone>	: jmalone@banach; dig nrao.edu in A
[12:53]	<JoshMalone>	nrao.edu. 3600 IN A 192.33.115.2
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	: jmalone@banach; dig nrao.edu in MX
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	nrao.edu. 3600 IN MX 10 revere.aoc.nrao.edu.
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	nrao.edu. 3600 IN MX 60 io.gb.nrao.edu.
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	nrao.edu. 3600 IN MX 10 cv3.cv.nrao.edu.
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	but it order for web users who don't type www we have to have a port redirect from our mail server over to the web server
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	irritating
[12:54]	<NC-17>	hehe
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	: jmalone@banach; host www.nrao.edu
[12:54]	<JoshMalone>	www.nrao.edu has address 192.33.115.6
[12:55]	<nerochiaro>	well, from a technical standpoint you're right. but uses just don't give a damn, you know ;)
[12:55]	<JoshMalone>	yeah- I know
[12:55]	<JoshMalone>	but I want to kill all users, so there
[12:56]	* JoshMalone  IS a sysadmin, after all :)
[12:56]	* nerochiaro  bows down to the admin
[12:56]	<JoshMalone>	LOL
[12:56]	<JoshMalone>	no - just have a clue
[12:57]	<JoshMalone>	I'd much rather users get a clue than supplicate
[12:57]	<JoshMalone>	OH - and for all demoscene fans:
[12:57]	<JoshMalone>	www.esnips.com
[12:57]	<JoshMalone>	I'm posting my hi-fi collection here slowly
[12:58]	<nerochiaro>	i sure don't want to mess with a sysadmin who loves demoscene music on top of that ;)
[12:59]	<JoshMalone>	lol - why?
[13:06]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: because i mostly suck at being an admin, and being a demoscene fan gives you bonus points
[13:47]	<shaunm>	is there anywhere I can see some screenshots of the osd in action?
[13:49]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: maybe in old posts on odnt, but i can also make a couple if you like
[13:50]	<shaunm>	would be much appreciated if you could
[13:51]	<nerochiaro>	give me some minutes
[13:59]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: have an email ?
[14:01]	<shaunm>	shaunm@gnome.org
[14:02]	<nerochiaro>	hope you can receive large attachements
[14:02]	<shaunm>	only one way to find out :)
[14:02]	<nerochiaro>	done
[14:02]	<shaunm>	thanks much
[14:03]	<JoshMalone>	ZOMG! Gnome is trying to steal our interface!
[14:03]	<JoshMalone>	:) LOL
[14:03]	<nerochiaro>	you're welcome. it was a forward of some shots i sent around the last time someone else asked :P
[14:03]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: thieves!
[14:03]	<shaunm>	hah
[14:05]	<shaunm>	no, but there is the danger that I'll start advocating building with gnome technologies
[14:05]	<JoshMalone>	lol
[14:05]	<JoshMalone>	gosd?
[14:06]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: oh, the missing contender. now we have them all, gtk-osd, qt-osd and e17-osd. let's flame fest everyone ! ;)
[14:06]	<JoshMalone>	:)
[14:07]	<shaunm>	you've got qt and e17 people?
[14:07]	<shaunm>	what is the osd interface built with?
[14:07]	<nerochiaro>	none of these
[14:07]	<nerochiaro>	it's built on a custom widget set on top of nano-x
[14:07]	<shaunm>	what you want, of course, is clutter
[14:07]	<shaunm>	clutter-project.org
[14:08]	<nerochiaro>	openGL ?
[14:08]	<shaunm>	and, of course, the entire multimedia stack should be gstreamer...
[14:08]	<shaunm>	ok, I'm going to stop being the gnome dweeb now
[14:08]	<nerochiaro>	yeah, tell that to the proprietary DSP
[14:09]	<JoshMalone>	lol
[14:10]	<shaunm>	damn, doesn't look like the screenshots made it through
[14:10]	<nerochiaro>	oh, either you gmail or the gnome server ate them
[14:10]	<nerochiaro>	er, my gmail
[14:11]	<shaunm>	the gnome address is just a forward
[14:11]	<shaunm>	wolfram servers probably dropped it
[14:11]	<shaunm>	I think it's a 5MB limit
[14:11]	<nerochiaro>	gimme a place to upload them, and i'll just do it
[14:12]	<shaunm>	hmm
[14:13]	<nerochiaro>	oh, wait, i'll just forward in smaller chunks
[14:20]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: got them ?
[14:23]	<shaunm>	I got part 1 at least
[14:23]	<nerochiaro>	so it's less than 5Mb limit. the part 2 was 4
[16:09]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: www.gnome.org
[16:10]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: if anybody else asks for them, so you don't have to do the email hassle again
[16:10]	<nerochiaro>	cool, thanks
[16:15]	<JoeBorn>	hi all
[16:15]	<nerochiaro>	hi
[17:38]	<shaunm>	so the osd basically obsoletes the mpeg4 recorder, yes?
[17:38]	<shaunm>	also, are the dac and 442 not produced anymore?
[17:44]	<daurnimator>	ohio
[17:46]	<shaunm>	good state. lots of roller coasters.
[18:26]	<JoeBorn>	shaunm, I'm not sure I'd say the OSD obsoletes the R2, the R2 is something like half the price of the OSD
[18:26]	<JoeBorn>	but the dac and 442v1 are not produced
[18:26]	<JoeBorn>	and 442v2 has long been put on hold unfortunately.
[18:33]	<shaunm>	JoeBorn: but the OSD can do everything the R2 can, yes?
[18:34]	<shaunm>	ooh, time to go
[18:39]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: ignore what I just posted to the list. I don't have a clue what I was talking about
[20:02]	<JoeBorn>	okey dokey, back at the scratchbox stuff
[20:09]	<JoeBorn>	hmm, now I can't ping the OSD anymore
[20:19]	<JoeBorn>	anyone there?
[20:20]	<Clint>	the OSD is powered off
[20:25]	<JoeBorn>	no, the OSD is on, there's something wrong with my vm
[21:19]	<JoeBorn>	hi hellwolf
[21:20]	<hellwolf>	hi JoeBorn
[21:20]	<JoeBorn>	my networking broken on that virtual machine, I'm trying to figure it out.
[21:36]	<JoeBorn>	anyone here know what the tftp is used for in the dev environment?
[21:36]	<JoeBorn>	what can it do that the nfs can't?
[21:38]	<hellwolf>	tftp is used by u-boot to load kernel (and initrd)
[21:38]	<JoeBorn>	oh, what does nfs do then?
[21:39]	<JoeBorn>	I thought uboot could boot from nfs
[21:39]	<hellwolf>	nfs is used when kernel loaded, tftp usually used before kernel loaded
[21:39]	<hellwolf>	yea, nfs is too complex to u-boot
[21:40]	<JoeBorn>	wow, ok.