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but it doesn't leap out at me what the bug could be :(

often you have to be careful not to miss an interrupt in your driver....

<anders_>

I've seen my fair share of hardware bugs in network cards. Trust me, they can be really bizarre - not to talk about the workarounds :)

...but that doesn't seem like what they're after here

[07:58]

oh me, too. And USB controllers, as well

[08:00]

so disabling that code has what effect?

[08:04]

<anders_>

JoshMalone: According to the OP there are no negative side effects..

[08:04]

OK - I couldn't tell what he meant by the mii returns junk

[08:05]

<anders_>

Well ioctl isn't implemented in the driver. Or rather it is implemented to always return success.

[08:05]

<anders_>

So when one asks the driver for linkstatus and such things it doesn't report it correctly but says that it does.

[08:06]

LOL - okay :)

[08:06]

which is wrong. shouldn't ioctl be supported but return always "no support" ?

[08:07]

yes - I think there's an E_NOIMP value

[08:08]

<anders_>

Just don't assign dev->do_ioctl

[08:08]

<anders_>

Keeping it NULL will make the upper layers see that it isn't implemented.

[08:08]

Oh - all ioctl is not supported? Ah

anders_: that too, unless the upper layer assumes it's implemented

anders_: in which case the upper layer should be fixed, i suppose

that would be a bug, too, IMO

indeed

* JoshMalone hasn't done drivers in a LONG time

[08:13]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: lxr.linux.no

[08:29]

anders_: so it's not called if not implemented

[08:30]

<anders_>

Right.

[08:42]

anders_: just point it out in the thread then

[08:45]

<anders_>

Yeah, I was planning to put my input on that thread, just been to lazy..

[08:45]

<anders_>

Guess I'll do it right away.

[08:52]

in other news, anyone who wants to contribute some ideas for Neuros participation in Google's summer of code please add them to this wiki page: wiki.neurostechnology.com

[08:53]

even rough stuff is ok, some editing will be done afterwards anyway

[08:55]

<Ycros>

what's the deadline for that/

[08:58]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: add .srt subtitles to this page :)

[08:59]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: xmms2 is participating in google soc btw.

schweet

DeepB: good idea. i'll add that, but i think it's too small for a 3 month project

* JoshMalone wants XMMS2

Ycros: deadline for organizations is 12 March i think

[09:01]

<Ycros>

ah.

[09:01]

<Ycros>

broadcasting tv out onto the network, or tuning into network broadcasts would be nice

[09:01]

<Ycros>

heh

[09:02]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: But if you want to run a xmms2 client project under neuros mentoring organization I could even (co)mentor it.

[09:02]

<Ycros>

assuming there aren't any hurdles

[09:02]

<Ycros>

(there might be, we had a lengthy discussion about this once)

[09:05]

anders_: that would definitely rock. can you add some info on that on the SOC page in the wiki ?

[09:05]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: But maybe that is too long timeframe?

[09:05]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: We also have a wiki.xmms2.xmms.se proposed project.

[09:06]

anders_: well, we can restrict it somehow

[09:06]

anders_: maybe have it only do some basic tasks, not a full blown frontend

[09:07]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: I mean, you don't want to wait until after the summer for a xmms2 client.

[09:08]

ah, well, depends on if you or someone else intend to work on it before, i guess

[09:09]

we can still have it as a project and have the student help you or whoever is doing it, no ?

[09:09]

<Ycros>

ah

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: what HD 720p or 1080i avi?

<Ycros>

how about a web interface, written in lua or C or something suitably light-weight

<anders_>

nerochiaro: Indeed.

<Ycros>

or is someone doing that already

Ycros: that streaming thing TV out would be nice, but i think we have problems with streaming out that come from the codecs. i'm not sure though, it's worth investigating

<Ycros>

I've been busy, and I haven't been paying attention in here

<Ycros>

nerochiaro: no, codecs aren't a problem

DeepB: i think the hardware can't support HD content

<Ycros>

nerochiaro: encode into mpeg, throw it out into the network

<Ycros>

nerochiaro: likewise, grab packets from the network, decode as mpeg

<anders_>

nerochiaro: Are you adding XMMS2 to the list. (I don't have an account, and don't really have the time)

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: ohh :(

anders_: ok, i'll do that later

<Ycros>

nerochiaro: the only potential issue is cpu power in grabbing encoded mpeg frames, wrapping them in packets, sending them out, and vice-versa

[09:12]

Ycros: ok, i've not been looking in that area, so i'll take your word for it :)

[09:12]

<Ycros>

nerochiaro: I did hear that the codec drivers write straight to a filesystem or something like that, which could be a problem, but it could still be redirected with a clever hack

<Ycros>

either a psuedo-filesystem kernel module, or a FUSE filesystem, but FUSE could be a bit too heavyweight

Ycros: yes, but maybe you can use a pipe or something thee ?

<Ycros>

yeah

<Ycros>

a named pipe _might_ work

<Ycros>

dependis

Ycros: worth checking. brb, coffee break

<Ycros>

it's something that would have to be investigated

[09:14]

<Ycros>

the other idea is a web interface

[09:26]

<DeepB>

add support for .mkv Matroska or .ogm Ogg Vorbis...

[09:32]

DeepB: they are both container formats, right ?

[09:32]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: rite

[09:33]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: en.wikipedia.org

[09:34]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: en.wikipedia.org

[09:44]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: i need Matroska for my Heroes series :)

[09:45]

<Ycros>

I get heroes in 720p anyway

[09:45]

<Ycros>

and ac3 audio

[09:46]

<DeepB>

avi or mkv?

[09:47]

DeepB: you can demux it on pc and remux it in another container, no ? :)

[09:48]

but can it be done only in ARM ?

[09:48]

because anything that needs DSP codec support is kind of off-limits for Google SOC

nerochiaro: remuxing? yeah, sure

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: uuuff... more brain :(

srobertson: explain

DeepB: don't worry

[09:50]

<Ycros>

DeepB: mkv of course, it's x264 encoded I think

[09:50]

just woke up, 2 secs to read backlog

[09:50]

<Ycros>

I don't think the osd handles 246 does it?

[09:52]

Ycros: correct, for the most part... we can license it, but it's pretty intensive to decode so there are res limits and such

[09:54]

nerochiaro: remuxing is bandwidth-intensive. occasionally it requires reading the entire file before beginning to write a single frame.

[09:54]

however, for better formats and smarter code, it's possible to write a demuxer that doesn't require that,

[09:55]

and supports seeking. it'd require some changes to nms, specifically how to handle seeking

(unless the remuxer is implemented with a FUSE front-end -- the program could generate a correct AVI header

srobertson: i was talking of doing it on Pc

...oh.

but you are correct, i think

[09:57]

Does the new square brick decode WMV/WMA?

[09:57]

in general it would be nice to have nms be able to do I/O via buffers, instead of always using a file

[09:57]

if it's no talready so

anders_: do you already feed buffers to decode to nms, right ?

<Ycros>

yeah

<Ycros>

I'd rather watch 720p stuff on my LCD anyway

<Ycros>

heh

srobertson: the new square brick ?

<anders_>

nerochiaro: Yes.

[09:59]

anders_: you know if it can also output that way already ?

[09:59]

nerochiaro: the OSD

[09:59]

srobertson: it's not square ;)

[10:00]

* srobertson procures ruler, smacks hand with it

[10:00]

srobertson: but it should support that already if i'm not mistaken

[10:00]

right... i was getting at this: UPnP AV specification support.

lots of windows computers use this to stream content, and it would mean two-click integration with Windows

(no messy SMB stuff)

this has already come up, and i forget why it was shot down before, but it was a while ago iirc

<anders_>

nerochiaro: I think the api has both input and output.. No idea if it works thogh..

anders_: Ycros: ok, another "to investigate" thing for all streaming applications

<DeepB>

Ycros: PC required?

srobertson: i'll check back in ML, see if i find something about upnp

<Ycros>

DeepB: yessss

[10:03]

<Ycros>

DeepB: which isn't a problem as it's my monitor anyway

[10:03]

<DeepB>

Ycros: ok

[10:04]

srobertson: i don't see any shoot down, seems very possible even. just seems no one seems to have popped up to do it. good for SOC it seems

[10:07]

<DeepB>

and ncurses bittorrent for the OSD?? rtorrent??

[10:08]

DeepB: i've wanted to do a Lua interface to libtorrent for a while... added to SoC page.

[10:08]

<DeepB>

srobertson: aha

[10:09]

how about: a computer-assist daemon. cross-platform, based on some portable encoder (vlc, mencoder, etc.)

[10:09]

bittorrent can be a good idea, but i think only with a very good GUI that can be used via remote

[10:10]

srobertson: what's a computer-assist deaemon ?

[10:10]

helps by doing real-time transcoding of files that can't play, with no user intervention

[10:10]

...on the pc

[10:12]

if we get upnp support, simply have the daemon broadcast its capabilities via upnp

[10:12]

or something

[10:13]

btw, torrent client in its full glory may be useless without package manager, as it would carry with it some complications if it were to be usable

[10:13]

of the sue-the-crap-out-of-neuros variety

[10:15]

srobertson: well, no. you can download lots of legal content with bt

[10:16]

it's a tool, you can use it for evil or for good, it's not the tool that is evil

[10:17]

absolutely true. but if we integrate content from popular trackers, we're likely to get what amounts to an ad for illegal content

[10:22]

srobertson: we should not provide any pre-loaded address to any tracker. just the torrent client

srobertson: doing otherwise is shooting in the feet

<DeepB>

www.bittorrent.com i can not see anything ilegal :)

hi all ! i need some kind of help ! how can i download folders from svn.neurostechnology.com under windows os?

DeepB: :)

GuestN464: you need an SVN client

GuestN464: on windows use tortoise SVN for example

[10:24]

:nerochiaro tnx

[10:26]

you're welcome

[11:14]

<_may1937_>

nerochiaro: ?

[11:20]

installed SVN client, but when trying to export svn from svn.neurostechnology.com cant do it.

[11:20]

PROFIND request failed on '/"

[11:21]

PROFIND of '/": 200 OK (svn.neurostechnology.com

[13:24]

may1937: still there ?

[13:24]

<crweb>

good afternoon :)

crweb: hey :9

<crweb>

I really thought I had more input for the clean up

<crweb>

but everyone's covered my points

i guess it was about the same for everyone

[13:26]

i still need to find some time to peruse osdmain more in detail, i think i can find out some more little suggestions

[13:26]

<crweb>

same here

[13:26]

<crweb>

i was thinking about exploring and maybe documenting some cooler api

[13:27]

there's not a huge amount to explore there, unless you're talking about the low level media api, that needs a good spelunking. oh, by the way, take a look at the "Summer of Code" page on the wiki and see if you have suggestions to add

[13:29]

<crweb>

yeah i was thinking about adding zeroconf support

[13:30]

crweb: there's already a point about Upnp AV, they seem to be related

[13:30]

although not sure how yet

[13:32]

<crweb>

did you see my new demos?

nope

<crweb>

<crweb>

<crweb>

all the themes, colors, button shapes were done in a non-compiled stylesheet

uh, why make an avi when it's all static ?

anyway, it looks much nicer than before

except that cursor, it caused me seizures

<crweb>

because that 442 records the video :)

aww, make screenshots

<crweb>

hah, yeah, i haven't been hiding th emouse

<crweb>

I do have keyboard input 100% figured out now

the menus are still quite hideous to look at

but all in all way better looking than before

<crweb>

well, they can be changed simply by editing a stylesheet

<crweb>

which was the goal.

a text file ?

<crweb>

yep

can you pastebin it, out of curiosity

<crweb>

yeah

[13:38]

<crweb>

cpp.sourceforge.net

[13:39]

oh cool, it's just CSS

[13:39]

<crweb>

well.. kinda

[13:40]

<crweb>

they tried to stay with css as much as possible

[13:40]

of course

[13:40]

<crweb>

if you watch the pc demo file you get a better idea of more stuff that can be done

[13:41]

<crweb>

i had to stop writing gui code to write some of the backend drivers for the music browser

[13:41]

<crweb>

and I still dont' know what it actually looks like on a tv

[13:42]

<crweb>

but a fully functional demo of qt is what i'm aiming at

[13:42]

<crweb>

and layout/design can be edited by opening up the qt forms in the gui designer

[13:42]

crweb: check on tv, it's important

[13:43]

<crweb>

well, thats why i have all the fonts bold, and as large as I can make them

[13:43]

<crweb>

i'd have to pack qt onto the firmware to get my app onto the tv

[13:44]

<crweb>

if the tv out ship on the osd is nice enough, it should look fairly close to the pcdemo

[13:44]

<crweb>

i did up my resolution to 656x464

[13:44]

<crweb>

that was nice

[13:46]

<crweb>

actually i'm going to do that.. bbiab

<crweb>

oh, btw, busybox doesn't support source

<crweb>

i can't figure out how to set system env stuff

<crweb>

except to maybe have a /etc/profile

<crweb>

big maybe there

[13:51]

source is generally an alias for ". /foo/bar/file.sh" in ash shell. but that works from the cmd line, but not from inside scripts

[13:57]

<crweb>

this will mark the 2nd time my osd has ever been plugged into a tv :)

[14:01]

sometimes down the i will plug it in for the 1st time, but not yet. my lcd monitor should do for now

[14:02]

down the road, i mean

[14:04]

anders_: you around ?

[14:13]

haha, so weird... my neuros, while bouncing around in a pocket or backpack, would start recording sometimse

[14:13]

I've never listened to them, but while playing all songs on shuffle, the recordings come up sometimes

[14:14]

This one is 30minutes long, recorded about a year ago

[14:15]

I hear lots of voices.. everything is muffled though. Can't figure out what's going on yet

[14:24]

chreekat: i love when that happens, deciphering where i was and what people were saying is fun when you're bored

[14:24]

hehe

[14:24]

I tihnk I figured this one out

[14:25]

hanging out with a friend from high school at lunch in a busy place

[14:25]

most of the time for me is on the train or subway, so it's just the noise of the wheels unfortunately

[14:26]

The first one I found was bizarre.. it was some shopping trip I went on with my ex-girlfriend, at a time when our relationship was rocky and awkward. It was especially weird since I had broken up with her merely a few weeks before finding the recording

[14:33]

memories in a muffled, mysterious audio package

[16:49]

<JBorn_Handheld>

hi all

[16:49]

JBorn_Handheld: 'sup

[16:50]

JBorn_Handheld: hey, check mail when you have time. i sent you a couple of messages about SoC

[16:50]

<JBorn_Handheld>

gao and I are here at the ti developer conference

[16:50]

JBorn_Handheld: how goes ? interesting stuff ?

[16:51]

<JBorn_Handheld>

Yeah, they are certainly interested in recruiting you guys

[16:52]

<JBorn_Handheld>

srob, ok ill look

[16:52]

JBorn_Handheld: they = TI ?

[16:52]

JBorn_Handheld: that was nero, not me

[16:53]

<JBorn_Handheld>

yes they meaning ti

[16:55]

<crweb>

you guys?

[16:55]

i suppose he means folks from the open source community

[16:55]

<JBorn_Handheld>

ok, bbl

[17:01]

Hello - I am trying to really use my neuros for the first time ... it will not mount my sdcard

[17:01]

... show up on the console as mmcblk0:p1 ... but mount fails ... there is not entry in fstab

[17:02]

kinaole: which firmware are you using ?

[17:02]

the one that came with it ... how do I tell?

[17:02]

I am telneted in and have the serial cable spitting out on another box

[17:03]

in the main application, go into settings menu, there should be a menu item for properties that gives you the version

[17:03]

also ... would be nice if I knew how to change the IP to 192.168.0.xxx as that is my local network - I assigned an alis on one of my boxes

[17:03]

ok ... just a sec

[17:04]

how do you get out of the console on the TV display?

[17:04]

... besieds power down

[17:05]

try home on the remote, but i'm not sure. and for networking: in the main app settings there's a netwok config panel that allows to set static addressing to whatever ip you like

[17:05]

my network settings do not come up on the OSD

[17:05]

what do you mean ?

[17:06]

I am at version 3.13-0.07

[17:06]

when I browse to network, nothing happens

that's ancient

get the latest one

as I said - I have had this a while and no time to play with it

no problem

I have downloaded it, but the instructions say to put it on the ssd card, my won't mount

just go into the settings menu, there should be an option to upgrade firmware from the network

nope

nope what ?

but I can copy it onto an SD card ...

no firmware upgrade option

[17:10]

hmm, strange. it's been there from almost the start, wait a second

[17:10]

if there is a script I could run, I am telnet'd in

[17:11]

unfortunately there is none

[17:12]

any idea how I get the sd card to mount? or is there another way to push code onto the box

[17:13]

that sd card might never mount with that old firmware. you can try with an usb mass storage device (usb keychain, or usb hard disk). or with an nfs mount

[17:15]

I can NFS mount?

my fstab seems toow to try think it will mount a CF card, I am dumping my camera right n

will try a CF Card

<crweb>

battery died.. heh

USB keychain does not seem to mount - not in fstab either

[17:17]

kinaole: for NFS, first ensure you have NFS shares available from your PC, then from console or telnet do mount -t nfs -o nolock,udp 182.168.1.xxx:/your/nfs/share /mnt/OSD/somedir

[17:19]

crweb: are these NFS mount options right, i keep forgetting

[17:19]

<crweb>

those should be fine

[17:19]

crweb: i'm impressed at how sucky was media card support in ancient firmwares

<crweb>

kinaole: have you updated to the latest firmware lately?

crweb: we're trying to find a way to upgrade him to latest from ancient

never - this is my first attemp