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vmarks.

;we were talking a ways back about paper prototyping.

do you have a tablet?

probably not to both questions

[08:30]

dub.washington.edu

[08:31]

a java tool you can use with a graphics tablet in order to rapidly prototype gui interaction to see if it's sane or weird when you're asking people to interact with software.

[08:33]

batmark: you built xiph (ogg) - does your mpd do mp3/mpeg audio as well the way you built it - 99% of my library is mp3

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kinaole: i wasnt actaully the person that did it. i think it was switon

batmark, okay thanks

night all

hi all

someone has a test application on how to record on the osd?

[10:45]

turran: you should look at how osdmain does it, i think

[10:58]

nerochiaro, hey :) i'll rebuild nms with debugging enabled

[10:58]

that might help too

[14:57]

hi to all ! can i update VM from .upk?

[14:57]

GuestN465: what do you mean ?

[14:57]

GuestN465: the upk is for your OSD, not the VM

[14:58]

i have 0.82.upk, but in VM 0.73

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i want to implement 0.82 in vm

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or its only SVN?

[14:59]

if the apt-get repository at www.limesg.com is not update to 0.82 you need to ask crweb to update it, he's managing that

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ok, tnx

[15:00]

and it seems the latest official release is still 0.73

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i don't see 0.82 in the official release page: open.neurostechnology.com

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heh 0.86 on ftp

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and it seems 0.82 using auto update. i really need to check what is up with these mis-matches. theoretically the release page should be up to date with osd network update. the ftp is for experimental stuff, though

[15:03]

GuestN465: oh, on a side note, please choose a nickname when logging in on the channel with the web interface, if you don't mind

[15:04]

ok

[15:05]

<Ru>

now i have nickname

[15:06]

<Ru>

sorry for my english im from russia

[15:06]

<Ru>

its posible to make russian support for osd?

[15:06]

thanks. it's just because the default nick for the web interface is random, and there's no way to know you are you next time. and don't worry your english is pretty good.

[15:07]

Ru: translation is possible (or will be possible soon). but the problem might be fonts, i don't know if we support fonts for cyrillci

[15:09]

<Ru>

im tried to do it in i18n, like chinese,but its not work. (chinese works for me)

[15:09]

<Ru>

i enabled chines...its inside

[15:10]

yes, chinese is in. but what did you do to make russian ?

[15:11]

<Ru>

changed all files like chines, and added russian

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and it does not work. what error do you get ? can you make a patch so that others can see and try ?

[15:13]

<Ru>

no error, but no letters... only icons from ico.ttf ..patch of plugins folder of what??

[15:14]

did you change the font ? the default font has no russian characters

[15:14]

<Ru>

ofcourse

[15:15]

patch of all the files you changed to make the translation. it might be that you forgot something. i am not sure what, i have never tried to do a translation, but maybe looking at what you did i can try to find out what's wrong

[15:16]

<Ru>

i tried to change chinese font whith russian one, and changed all phrase and sentence files

[15:17]

where is the chinese font file ?

[15:18]

<Ru>

took it from net

[15:19]

<Ru>

simsun.ttf

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and it works, but the same thing with russian font don't work

[15:19]

<Ru>

yes

[15:21]

<Ru>

in dm320 defconfig all russian settings by default is n, i changed them to y

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<Ru>

but its no changes

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i think you should try to write a small program that only display a fixed string in russian, without using the i18n stuff, just changing the font and setting the text to russian. i still suspect that there's some problem with that font.

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i think that because the chinese font works with chinese sentences but the russian font don't work with russian sentences. it's strange

[15:25]

<Ru>

ye. when i change the english sentences whith the russian same problem ..

[15:26]

you mean you use russian text + english font ?

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<Ru>

blank screen whith icons. but english words that i dont changed i can see

[15:27]

<Ru>

no, im using russian font

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<Ru>

but in russian font is english too

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ok, but english letters appear and russian letters do not appear. so i still think something is not good with it. can you send me the font file by email or dcc ?

[15:29]

<Ru>

yes, but in couple of hours, i need to go now

[15:29]

no problem, i'm not sure i can check right now, but i will try something later. my email is nerochiaro att gmail dotto com

[15:33]

<Ru>

ok. thank u. good to know im not alone..

[15:33]

Ru: you can also try asking in mailing list

sourcerror-m: ping ?

hi all

hi

my computer has the serious el busto going on

[17:11]

computer or connection ?

[17:12]

probably both.

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The windows are refreshing, I'm going to try something here

[17:16]

it's the dreaded chinese internet

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hows everybody doing?

[18:32]

JoeBorn: still around?

[18:32]

I'm here

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I was just about to have breakfast and run to work

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ok, well, enjoy your breakfast then ;)

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do you need something?

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srobertson: I am here for you

[18:35]

nope, just wanted to catch up... it can wait, tho

I'll be back in an hour or so

no you won't.

* vmarks sends a car for JoeBorn.

watch out for the toll booths, JoeBorn

* JoeBorn gulps

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well folks, as you can plainly see

[19:11]

I'm back.

[19:14]

good evading those hit squads

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thanks

[19:59]

what's new with you srobertson

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you don't mind if I call you srobertson do you?

[20:02]

JoeBorn: my computer, and no of course not

[20:02]

(parents' pc died, so i got a new one and gave them mine)

also, i'm on spring break right now, which is magnificent of course

one of us is losing their sense of humor I guess :(

where are you now?

home, in tampa

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is there a lot of spring break stuff there?

JoeBorn: no, it's really placid. there's a ton of activity at the beach, but really when it comes down to it a floridian spring break is "go to the beach, perhaps sober"

sober? is that allowed?

i manage it :(

will they even let you on the beach in that condition?

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oh, the sacrifices i make to be the responsible adult

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that's pretty interesting.

[20:47]

<[g2]>

sacrifices / missed opportunities / whatever :)

well, the reason I find it interesting is

* JoeBorn struggles with articulating his thoughts

I look back at my first two years of undergraduate

and I really really coasted.

I mean I had AP credit for Physics and Calc and I took them anyway and got Bs!

now that's really like getting an F because I got no additional credit for taking those classes.

oh man, that's pretty bad

of course, it didn't look like an F to my folks, it looked like things were going fine

and I wasn't getting kicked out of college, and I was still on scholarship, etc

but it was underacheiver central, that's for sure.

BUT!....

It wasn't because I was lazy, I wasn't watching TV or anything.

* [g2] waits for the close

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I was doing a ton of other stuff, including social things

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I've looked back on that experience many times, and I can't say I'd do it any differently.

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I made some really important friends those first two years.

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once I got serious about my engineering studies later, I dropped out of practically all social interaction.

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and I wound up with a B+ average or something.

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I suppose if I'd have wanted to go to MIT grad school, I'd had a tough time getting in.

But I'd worked on an electromechanical valve invention, and really most importantly, I had made several friends that are way more valuable than an MIT grad degree, IMHO

grad school is overrated anyway

<[g2]>

I think it was in "The Millionaire Next Door" that said scholastic achievement is only a 20% correlator to (financial) success as measured 20 years later

well, I went to grad school at UT, and I loved it

<[g2]>

it's all about what one is trying to achive in life

<[g2]>

for some dean's list from an ivy school is the thing

[g2]: well the correlation to money is no question not well linked to being a good student.

<[g2]>

or even 4.0 with double majors

but for most of us here, obviously that's not really much a measure of success.

<[g2]>

JoeBorn not

<[g2]>

motivation and values are very intersting

I took Lily to Chinese class on Sunday, and there was one girl there who was clearly gifted

<[g2]>

(Lily) :)

not chinese, but she knew all the stuff in the class down pat. I don't know if her mom was pushing her or not, but either way clearly gifted

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then there's Lily, who made friends with some kid in the class and was running around with him in the back of the hall

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Lily's not gifted like this other girl, but she can make friends immediately at any gathering.

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now, if you had a make a bet on which "gift" is likely to yield more financial success, it's fairly obvious.

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<[g2]>

imho kids need exposure to lots of things like that and adults (at least in the west) don't allow the kids to grow and have a real sense of learning

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<[g2]>

JoeBorn have you ever read the Fifth Discipline ?

but given that for most of us financial isn't really a measure of success, what's the advice then?

[g2]: no, what is it?

it still seems to me that the richness of life is still best fulfilled by having a strong base of friends.

I mean, of course, having a strong family is great, but you can't control that

at least you can't pick your family

and they are not your peers

<[g2]>

JoeBorn, actually I think it's "Good to Great" that I'm actually thinging about

I've read excepts of good to great.

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<[g2]>

they are both about organization learning and it's the leadership values from "Good to Great" I was thinking about

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* [g2] thinks having a strong base of friends is great, but that fulfillment comes from a sense of mission or purpose

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<[g2]>

and like the saying goes

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<[g2]>

you can pick you friends, you can pick you nose, but not you friend's nose

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<[g2]>

s/you/your/ nearly globably

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i thought we were all supposed to strive for nirvana

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I agree on the sense of purpose too

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* srobertson is back - went to pick up new Colbert ice cream with (how appropriate) a couple friends to watch the Report with

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but in general, I think a base of friends (or broadly other people) is so often vital

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there are so few persuits that can really be done effectively in a solitary manner

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maybe some of the theoretical physicists

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but even get into engineering, invention, its so much about teams and groups of people

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<[g2]>

JoeBorn, I just finished "Four Days to Glory" a couple weeks ago, it's interesting because it was recommened by the CEO from a media company not zap2it, but I think the other guys that do the EPG

don't let me interrupt your introspection, but do you have any more details about that free as in beer compiler from ti you mentioned the other day JoeBorn ?

<[g2]>

it's about high school wrestlers in Iowa

may1937: this is the #neuros-introspection channel, can't you see?

<[g2]>

and their internal motivation at a certain level

oh, shit

<[g2]>

may1937, are you asking me ?

may1937: If you are interested, I'll certainly follow up

I'll presumably be windows based

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"i have never really liked people all that much. i mean some of them are ok, you guys are ok, bit i think i'm just a misanthrope at heart."

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[g2]: no not you

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JoeBorn: yes i am very interested in hearing what that is about

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see you let me interrupt you, i was totally waiting for the oedipal fruedian slip

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<[g2]>

may1937, it wasn't really an interruption on my part, I was just rambling a little

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<[g2]>

and we all know JoeBorn is a little ADD challenged :)

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yeah, must be this CEO gig. I used to have a brain at one point.

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<[g2]>

may1937, what ever happened with the open dsp interface ?

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* [g2] is teasing :)

[21:38]

i got a girlfriend, that's what happened

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<[g2]>

teasing JoeBorn that is

[21:39]

but that bitch don't be distracting me anymore

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* [g2] doesn't know if that's a good or bad thing

sounds good for us anyway.

<[g2]>

CEO talk :)

scratch what I previously said about the importance of human contact

it's mostly a distraction from important coding work

<[g2]>

JoeBorn nod you've got to show you level of commitment to the company right ?

particuliarly that done in persuit of a just and noble cause (ie. Neuros)

it was actually going pretty well until i found out she was stealing from me a few weeks ago

wow!

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<[g2]>

ouch!

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yeah i couldn't believe it i was totally flabbergasted

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but anyway [g2] did you see it was on the soc list?

if it doesn't make the cut i will start working on it myself again

<[g2]>

may1937, no but that sounds cool

<[g2]>

the google soc list I'm guessing

and i think srobertson wants to apply for it