Log from #neuros IRC channel

I know! You've been hanging out in China eating lunch

I've been here in the states slaving over a hot computer

and for what?

:)

[00:34]

* JoeBorn pens commission check for Emmett

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ruining his unbiased position in process

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haha

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I just watched your YouTube video about the remote

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and now you can presumably understand why we're looking for talent?

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I don't know, you appear to have lost weight since the last time I've seen you

[00:58]

Must be the chinese food and the lack of italian beef sandwiches.

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re

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<cr-temp>

JoeBorn: you here?

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<cr-temp>

I don't have my osd around and I need the exact numbers for model on the osd's cpu

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more or less

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<cr-temp>

TMS320C5416, or TMS320VC5416

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<cr-temp>

the wiki says C54x, but there are a lot of those

[01:59]

got disconnected.. freaking rain knocks out starband

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hold on

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TMs320c5409 gao thinks

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hmm

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i seem to remember that now

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there is only 1 on my charts though U/VC5409

VC5409 is 100mhz

must be it

cool thx

for the record, the tms320c5416 is what's in the N2

[02:13]

I'm attending my first industry conference this week

[02:15]

I never thought I would be interested in web apps, but it is sort of inspiring to be in a room full of CEOs and VPs; such dedicated and driven folks

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it's also exciting to hear people say things like "Everybody shuold use the open-source development model"

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and see everyone nodding

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well... some people :)

[02:18]

what conference?

[02:19]

there are two back-to-back.. one is saas2007.com and the other is www.opsource.net

[03:23]

<anders_>

Neurostech didn't get accepted for SoC? :(

anders_: are the nomitations out yet ?

<anders_>

They are visible from the mentor-signup-page: code.google.com

on the home page they say they're still considering

<anders_>

However they are only at S

[03:25]

<anders_>

And they are not officially published; so that is probably not authorative information.

[03:26]

i'd just wait for the definitive post on main page

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anders_: but if that's true also xmms2 is out, no ?

[03:26]

<anders_>

Don't know. They have only added A-S so far.

[03:27]

<anders_>

X is last :(

[03:27]

the price to pay to be using a cool letter ;)

[03:27]

i was just thinking that maybe they stopped at S

[03:29]

<anders_>

Roumor has that they don't appear in strict order either, that rockbox appeared after Samba.

[03:30]

oh well, we'll see. just one more day

[03:30]

AFAIK, we're still being considered, we just got a letter from them to that effect.

[03:30]

well, an email anyway.

[03:31]

<anders_>

Nice to hear.

[03:31]

JoeBorn: yep, seen that. thankfully your persuasive manners are so good :)

[03:31]

I guess they only approve 100 out of 600 applicants so, odds are somewhat long

probably more than 600

it's quite popular

unforunately they are all to often used to offset my own mistakes (as in this case)

it is, after all, free money.

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JoeBorn: let's say it's co-guilt and forget about the incident now that it went through anyway, ok ?

[03:35]

and just cross fingers for acceptance

[03:36]

how long do students have to apply?

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we need to start cracking I guess if we get chosen.

code.google.com

* JoeBorn dispatches nerochiaro to far reaches of the globe to post flyers at universities

that is, march 24

* nerochiaro packs backpack and heads to airport

open.neurostechnology.com

wow, ten day, google really moves.

[03:38]

we'll still be talking about what to do ten days from now.

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yeah, it's like they expect orgs to post their advertise long before ever applying

[03:39]

cool that google can move so fast, I guess we can learn from that.

[03:40]

anders_: were the deadlines more relaxed the past years ?

[03:42]

<anders_>

nerochiaro: No, but google was slower and extended the different deadlines several times.

[03:44]

well, how do you get notified, just keep refreshing that page like a nincompoop

[03:44]

anders_: like it's doing with this review. list should be out 14th

[03:44]

JoeBorn: they should email admin and backup admin

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well I'm sending out an update letter I guess tomorrow, so if we have information about it, a link we'll include it

[03:46]

as soon as they email me, you will have a forward

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well if they accept us, please write up a couple sentences on what a student should do and links and stuff like that

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you might also consider throwing in a few opinions on controversal subjects like abortion, gay rights and stuff like that.

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<American-Tech>

Sure to get some press if you do that

[03:49]

ok. i'll also add some controversial environmental issues, like climate change. they're the hot topics these days

[03:49]

well, I think they are at the end and we got hosed.

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congratulations, anders_

[03:52]

i agree, sadly

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<anders_>

:(

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well, what can you do, we tried.

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* JoeBorn sobs uncontrollably in corner of room

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reaches for can of red bull for comfort

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* nerochiaro slides over two jugs of wood alchool

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well anyway obviously still forward me whatever they send, I assume they will still send an "up yours jerks!" type of letter

[03:56]

i should hope so

[03:58]

is it just me or the new graphics of the OSD is terribly dark (as in "raise your TV lightness")

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I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. the xiamen team yanked my tv and OSD

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how so ?

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in fact I was ejected from my desk and given one of those chairs where the hydraulic pump is too weak and it sinks when you sit on it.

[04:00]

well, when I got back to xiamen, someone else was at my desk and all my stuff was in the street

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well my stuff wasn't in the street exactly, but you get the point.

[04:01]

maybe we should do a "summer of crumbs" thing and pitch it to chinese students anyway

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that would be the Neuros way

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oh sure, the "stuff in the street" happens all the time when i get back to the office after two weeks i'm working from home. some times my PC has missing keyb or mouse, even

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wow, that's rediculous.

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<American-Tech>

cheer up people the road to success is paved with more failures then success

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or as they say, it's always darkest before the final collapse

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or maybe I have that one wrong.. let's see here

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well maybe that's not important right now.

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JoeBorn: so you were thinking of offering some summer of bounties kind of thing on our own ?

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yes, the "summer of crumbs" program

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:DDD

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I'm going to try to induce hellwolf to apply for the xmms front end deal

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it's $35,000 yuan or something, it's a huge amount of cash in china

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JoeBorn: he's better on the pkg manager, he's already working on it

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yeah, but the package manager is like $5000 yuan bounty

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I suppose we can kick him a summer of crumbs project.

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you can declare some of the bounties raised for the summer of crumbs duration

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the ones that are in the wiki page for SoC

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yeah, we could do that.

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I've got to get on flickr and find some good pictures of crumbs

[04:19]

always the fun part of odnt posts

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anders_: what are the instructions for the Soc application, I want to post something on OdNT encouraging people to apply for that front end project

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tinyurl.com , but that's pretty google specific

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<anders_>

JoeBorn: It is work in progress; wiki.xmms2.xmms.se

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www.flickr.com

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JoeBorn: it looks like it's google cash money in that post

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yeah, well I'm just pointing to the xmms project for the front end

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how goes it hellwolf ?

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ah, ok. so the applications go to anders ?

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JoeBorn, still hacking on it.

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nerochiaro: yep

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hellwolf, do you know the google summer of code?

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hellwolf: have you heard of it?

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JoeBorn, sure, nerochiaro also mentioned on it ago

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well, it seems that neuros was not chosen for the program, but we're thinking of doing our own program

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called the "summer of crumbs" where we'll do a similiar thing

do you think we can attract some good Chinese student hackers for 18,000 yuan for a summer project

doing it kind of modeled after the summer of code?

Any infomation on it?

On wiki?

[05:21]

I guess I need to update to see that new dark interface.

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vmarks: yes

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0.82 or 0.84

I'm really looking forward to epg and ir blasting, though.

no, no information yet, but it would be like the projects listed on the wiki

knowing that those are separate things.

vmarks: i will have time to work on it starting next week. and not that separate. one depends on the other

wiki.neurostechnology.com

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so on a different subject

nerochiaro: this is one you'd addressed previously

gao just put out a schedule for firmware for the next couple months and there's finally some exciting stuff on it.

JoeBorn: in the 0.84 release notes ?

wiki.neurostechnology.com

we'll be working on Youtube, our own integration of xmms2

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nerochiaro: no it's just a doc on his desktop, which gets to my question

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the epg, etc

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How should we communicate that our various constituants (hereinafter referred to as "eager minions")

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I'm writing up the newsletter which is obviously long overdue

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and we've got the project page that sourcerror put together

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a new page? wiki? integrate with the project page

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flail around hopelessly?

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* JoeBorn tests flailing knocks over lamp and coffee cup

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well, a post on odnt with the meat of the new projects is sure needed. then i would add them to the projects page. alternatively, make a page for projects being already worked on by the internal team (since that page is for external projects, i think)

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also, the table layout on that projects page is awfully cumbersome to edit, but that's another matter and one that can be fixed quickly

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I was thinking of changing the color on the projects that internal staff have been assigned to

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that works too. not sure wikimedia can do that, but i think it's possible

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yet another page in the wiki is better

[05:32]

er, worse

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actually I know you can change the color because I did it on the dm320 chart thing

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i would much prefer not having it in a table though

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perhaps written on parchment in the xiamen office.

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I think a large parchment scroll would be quite impressive

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those long vertical asian scrolls sure are

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written with the blood of a hunded ducks

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we'll hire a duck butcher for that.

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[05:48]

well I turned some projects yellow

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should I continue on updating this or do you have a different idea?

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but i was actually meaning it simply written as one chapter per project, with a small table inside the chapter if we want to keep tables. right now there's no index at the top and is a pain to edit stuff

no, go ahead, i'll split the table in chapters when you're done

great, bless you young nerochiaro

:)

hey

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and we save some ducks from slaughter this way too

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daurnimator: hey

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hows life in duckvillw

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daurnimator: we're all getting drunk to forget that we were refused for Google SoC

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o.o

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you were

appearently. all accepted orgs are on the front page. and we're not there. so, i suppose we were

no email from them about it yet, though

ouch

snubbed

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daurnimator: amen to that.

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daurnimator: what are you up to ?

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school work, normal work etc

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not much free time

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JoeBorn: should we prune out completed projects from that page ? (e.g. the init system. it's done and it's in official tree)

nerochiaro: well let's put them in a "completed" area so we can show progress, or I guess more importantly, what the thing does

right. i'll go ahead and do that

it was kind of interesting, there was a fellow, guest921 or something today

JoeBorn: if you're done coloring

colouring

U

GarBage: you around ?

that was put off by all the comments on the forums about all the issues with the osd

* daurnimator wacks america

daurnimator: sorry, o master of british spelling

there's just not enough positive stuff generally

not british spelling!

NON-AMERICAN spelling!

JoeBorn: well, it's normal. people don't post saying "oh, it works like a charm"

sometimes when I see something in the oSd that works well I wish there was a "not bugzilla" dbase I could enter it in

right, sure

speaking of forums, maybe i should keep an eye on them. i never go there

well, go ahead and do what you were going to do nerochiaro

ok

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and let me know when you're done, I'm going to go fetch a can of ??

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but you have a point on that "non bugzilla" thing. the problem is that both a dead forum and a complaints-only forum are bad. but a happyness only forum is not possible

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well, most folks know that, but what's really needed is some positive PR on the OSD

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and we'll get there.

Is it in stores here yet?

in australia?

yeah

* daurnimator goes off to upgrade his OSD for the first time in months

[06:07]

no, per your previous comments we have to translate the manual and packaging :)

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arg

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i can't find my remote

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and my osd won't get past the loading screen

all better

is 0.86 stable?

haha

daurnimator: like a rock

[06:13]

sunshineweek.org

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JoeBorn: does this rock have cracks in it?

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daurnimator: none whatsoever.

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0.86 ? wasn't 0.84 just released ?

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i get mine freshly made

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JoeBorn: (and anyone else) plase take a look at the projects page, i reformatted a couple project items without the (IMHO) hideous wikipedia table syntax. let me know if it's better or worse. Notice they now appear in index at top. wiki.neurostechnology.com

better

but IMO could somehow be even betterer

(don't know how though)

i can add color or a small icon for officially supported ones

maybe an image for each one? ;)

a screen shot ?

for many it does not make sense

but it's possible

eg, us4.samba.org for samba

looks fine with me. I didn't have a problem with the table, but I like the TOC there.

wait

wrong link ;)

nerochiaro: I believ daurn is volunteering to add pictures

bless you daurn!

JoeBorn: my problem with the table is that somehow i always ended up editing the wrong item

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daurnimator: if so, only after i finish that reformatting

[06:28]

yeah, this will certainly be easier to edit, I can buy that

[06:29]

hold on, let me try something

ok

wow

this is taking ages

what ?

upgrading firmware

more than the usual 10 minutes ?

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18mins going so far

[06:34]

just reset

i put returns in the table,

now its not going to main menu

JoeBorn: checking

I don't have any strong feeling, we can ditch the table if you don't like it.

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I'm just concerned will have this long honking page of text that will make anyone's eye's glaze over.

[06:37]

ok, maybe keeping the tables but also separate them with headings, so they will appear in the TOC ?

uh

someone

my OSD won

't turn on

also, how is a long honking table better than a long honking page of text ?

daurnimator: cheers!

less honking, I don't know :)

let me try with sub-tables, let's see how it looks

wiki.neurostechnology.com

daurnimator: try it without the ethernet plugged in

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daurnimator: anyone else what do you all think?

[06:39]

[22:38:05] <JoeBorn> daurnimator: anyone else what do you all think? <--- rephrase?

[06:40]

daurnimator: table or sections

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[06:41]

sections looks better than tables

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woot

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it booted

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interface is more shiny

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daurnimator: isn't it darker ?

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yeah

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JoeBorn: check it now, i added a couple items (wireless and ftp) with sub-tables and heading

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i don't like it much thouhg

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but it's ok for me even that way

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really I was just going to say I liked it

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ok, i'll use that then

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we can still rollback or edit it later

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but now lunch

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how do you refresh in network browser?

JoeBorn: isn't it better to invert the summary and description blocks ?

woot

nice

OSD can play vids off my comp

nerochiaro: ok, I'm going to work on the chart then?

the chart ?

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well, I'm going to add epg, etc unless you want to

[06:49]

it seems the chart got a little out of whack when you separated

[06:49]

when you separated it

nice

no lag

in sync

if you give me 20 minutes i'll fix it all with the new formatting, then you can add the other items. ok ?

[06:50]

hi all :)

[06:51]

nerochiaro: sure of course

[06:51]

turran: hi

uh'

i'm trying to play scrubs on my OSD

but its NTSC

and my osd is in pal mode

it doesn't convert

[07:15]

you recorded in ntsc and want to play back on PAL ?

[07:16]

yes

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JoeBorn: ok, done. you're good to go for adding stuff

[07:17]

really? news to me that matters

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daurnimator: not sure what should happen there. can the osd know that the video file is in NTSC somehow ?

[07:18]

look at the res

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what does it mean for a file to be NTSC?

<Ycros>

daurnimator: err, I'm not sure recording in one format and playing back in another is going to be too common

<Ycros>

unless you're getting media from somewhere else I guess

<Ycros>

hmm

i'd say that people not in the usa often download usa tv shows

just about everyone i know i'd estimate

- they are the videos people have on their computers

<Ycros>

are they in ntsc?

daurnimator: only the resolution is wrong ?

<Ycros>

bleh

and the ones they will want to play on their tv

<Ycros>

and maybe framerate

i don't know

but, its not right