Log from #neuros IRC channel

<swoag>

alright, I guess today we will finish the rest of the refactoring topics

<swoag>

we've got two on the list,

Hi swoag

<swoag>

- utf8 support

[10:09]

<swoag>

Nano-X actually has this support built in.

[10:09]

<swoag>

so it won't be a problem.

[10:09]

Yes

[12:04]

sunnyliu: do you have the task to evaluate ateme platform, too ?

[12:05]

<DeepB>

at least!

[12:05]

yeah!

[12:05]

Yes, I got the E-mail and to see Ateme now!

[12:06]

sunnyliu: great. do you think the codecs are worse than the ones from TI ?

[12:06]

I don't really know!

[12:07]

But I heard some about this issue!

[12:07]

sunnyliu: ok, we will see

[12:07]

TI didn't RD team to focus on DSP codec!

[12:08]

TI codec are from third party!

[12:10]

Is this bug fixed for anyone with 3.28-0.84? -- bugzilla.neurostechnology.com

[12:10]

sunnyliu: ok

[12:11]

Are there any one to use Ateme inside device?

[12:12]

sorune: maybe it is a regression ? did you check with the versions near the one listed in the bug ?

[12:12]

i've tried all the released versions

[12:13]

sunnyliu: i don't know. maybe you should ask ateme directly

[12:13]

OK!

[12:13]

nerochiaro: i guess that would only be 0.84 since 0.75 :)

[12:14]

nerochiaro: is there a stable version between 0.75 and 0.84 i should try?

[12:14]

0.82 was released too, although there was a screw up and it never landed on odnt, just on OSD network upgrade

[12:14]

nerochiaro: ok, i'll try that one

[12:15]

nerochiaro: i'm getting a 404 on that version... do you have a link?

[12:16]

seems it was pulled. i just picked it up from the auto update, but of course it's not there any more

[12:16]

so i don't have a copy, it's only in flash

[12:17]

i also don't understand comment #1 on that bug

[12:19]

i'm not sure about that comment either

[12:19]

i mean, it's all about pal

[12:20]

i know my "pal sized" videos play ok with 3.28-0.63, but have been broken since (at least with the released versions)

[12:23]

broken how ^

the top of the video is at the middle of the screen

just like that bug report

and you use ntsc or pal for output ?

ntsc

ah, so that comment makes sense

[12:25]

if it still doesn't work for you on 0.84, please re-open the bug

[12:29]

done

[12:29]

thanks

[12:31]

is anyone maintaining a table of what formats/resolutions/etc work with the various releases?

[12:32]

i'm not able to playback much of anything with 3.28-0.84

i know there's someone at neuros who is putting togheter a test suite of media files to test with the various releases, but so far i don't think there have been any methodical testing

sorune: stuff that worked before ?

great, i think that will help a lot

yeah, stuff that works with 0.63

[12:34]

it seems like it could be USB related

[12:34]

sorune: it will sure help, too bad we are just implementing that now, it should've been done time ago

[12:34]

sorune: can you try with media cards ?

[12:35]

i don't have any media cards, but i think i might be able to move it to my pc and try over nfs

[12:35]

if that would help

[12:35]

why do you suspect it's USB releated ?

[12:36]

well, i'm guessing it's something that would affect all formats and that maybe USB isn't tested very much

[12:37]

it's really just a guess

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the one video that i can get to play is very choppy

[12:38]

which also seems like it could be USB related

[12:38]

well, if you have a stable nfs setup, try that choppy video and see if there's any change

[12:39]

* nerochiaro goes fetch some painkillers. damn headache

[12:39]

ok, i'll give that a shot

[12:51]

is there a good linux application to edit the files that neuros records (trim ends, mostly)?

[13:18]

kinaole: there is.

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let me find it again.

[13:19]

sorry, no idea where. apologies.

[13:19]

know it exists tho.

[13:24]

kinaole: try avidemux

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or cinelerra if you want something more complex

[13:27]

JoeBorn: you there ? just got the email about SoC... so we're in after all ?

[13:28]

i see we've been listed on the SoC home page too

[13:40]

anders_: you around ?

[13:58]

nerochiaro: that's cool about SoC. FYI: The link code.google.com didn't work for me right now.

[14:00]

sourcerror: i know, i have to submit that information. but the form to submit it doesn't show up for me even though it should. i'm submitting a bug to google SoC as i speak.

[14:00]

ah ok :)

[14:03]

nerochiaro: congrats on signing on with Neuros. If I read correctly you are done with old job by now. Nice!

[14:04]

sourcerror: yep, i'm in full time starting monday

[14:04]

excellent!

[14:04]

sourcerror: and thanks :)

[14:05]

sourcerror: ah, i should've asked you earlier. you mentioned you had a logging framework half-ready or something some time ago ?

[14:06]

oh yea, I posted it on pastebin, but I thought you were not interested. I'll commit it to the svn area. I got a space on svn hackers.

[14:07]

i kinda just lost track of that, i think we can use it somehow, especially for the nms server

[14:08]

no problem.

[14:09]

by the way it is extremely simple anyway.

[14:10]

i probably already looked at it in that pastebin, but i really can't recall. bad memory

[14:10]

you've been busy.

[14:11]

I finally have some time. I've had my wife's inlaws in town for over a week so finally I have a weekend to do OSD stuff.

[14:12]

inlaws sound like a boring week ;)

haha.

(no comment)

no problem

* sourcerror noticed he said "wife's inlaws" meant to say wife's parents :)

[14:17]

i supposed so, hence my comment

[14:26]

may1937: are you around ?

nerochiaro: i know this is random, but do you happen to know what the remote control "user sets" can do? I don't think I see it in the docs.

on the osd remote ?

yea

do you have the black unit ?

yea

nerochiaro: yeah, hey

I'm trying to see if it switches the entire remote to different modes or if they are single preset keys that can be programmed or neither of those.

i have the transparent unit and on my remote these keys fuct up the remote. i need to reprogram it. not sure what they do on the official one

ok. I'll post on ML

may1937: hey, we've been accepted for SoC. time to submit yourself as mentor :)

[14:32]

may1937: tinyurl.com

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oh? i thought we were denied?!

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we thought that too, but i've just been emailed by folks at google we're in in the end. see SoC front page

[14:33]

which rocks :)

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wow, ok

[14:43]

oh shit i think i did it with the wrong email

[14:43]

yes i did :P

where can one find a picture of the OSD on screen interface?

may1937: i'm not entirely sure it matters. as soon as the folks at google grant me admin privileges on the SoC org page i'll see if it works even with that email

i will just do another one, please use the one @colorado.edu

GuestN910: one seocnd

GuestN910:

yes

this is the new UI, it was just redesigned a bit

[14:45]

it's not the best screenshot, we should put some others online

[14:45]

is that what comes with the new shiped units?

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GuestN910: probably not, but there's a network upgrade function on the OSD, you should use it frequently, we're always releasing new updates so it doesn't matter which version is on board at shipping time

picture looks great, i am going to purchase it today , one question though

GuestN910: sure

is there a button on the remote that lets you switch between sources , like video 1, then video 2

nerochiaro: so basically one week for students to submit applications then we review them?

[14:48]

may1937: seems so, but other years google extended the student deadline considerably

[14:48]

and is the S-Video a seprate source then the A/V rca input?

GuestN910: i think not, they're just two possible inputs, but not separate

GuestN910: i don't know which one has priority if both are plugged in

GuestN910: interesting question

i bet it crashes =]

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may1937: let's hope not :P i should ask Gao

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so basicaly you are limted only to one source?

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GuestN910: well, yes

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GuestN910: at least, that i know of it's not designed to be multi-source

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if the s-video serves as a seprate source , then it'd be intersting, i can use that for camera surviallance

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GuestN910: let's do this. you can either write an email to the mailing list and ask, or you can give me your email and i'll tell you when i ask the folks in the neuros team

[14:53]

because i think it's not multi-source, but i'm not 100% sure

[14:53]

electric4u@gmail.com ,thanks

[14:54]

i will not purchase until i can hear from you

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GuestN910: no problem. although chances are it's single source

[14:58]

i guess you have a vested interest in sales now nerochiaro

[14:59]

congratulations on the job, btw, sounds like it should be fun

[14:59]

you were doing vb before right??

[15:01]

crweb: you heard we did get accepted to soc after all?

[15:01]

may1937: i was doing vb.net before since a while, but only to pay the bills. one more reason i'm really happy for this chance with neuros actually :)

[15:02]

crweb: i was about to post to the ML about that. you should submit as mentor when you can

[15:02]

<crweb>

alrighty

er, ops

i mean tinyurl.com

* sourcerror posted... groups.google.com

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<crweb>

nerochiaro: done

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crweb: i'll approve you as soon as google gives me back project admin powers. they seem to have forgot

<crweb>

nerochiaro: anything extremely important happen in meeting?

crweb: nothing. i wasn't there, and appearently only Joe and Gao were there, so no meeting

<crweb>

dang

yeah

<crweb>

i was to sick

[15:10]

feeling unwell ?

[15:10]

<crweb>

oh yes... It was hard to get up to bring the tablet over to the bed a few min ago

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* nerochiaro wishes crweb quick recovery

[15:12]

<crweb>

i believe i updated the packages for the vm last night

[15:12]

something is thrashing my machine and i can't figure out what. need to try and reset. be back shortly

[15:13]

run top! :)

Emmett: nothing is taking up more than 2% CPU

i think it was thunderbird

for some reason it was locking up everythin

killed it, all is peachy

[15:16]

crweb: you believe you have updated VM, but are not sure ?

[15:16]

<crweb>

may1937: lets say that.. i did have a c compiler for the DSP, and I wrote something and want to run it on the dsp.. What do i have to do?

[15:17]

<crweb>

nerochiaro: i dunno if the apt package metadata took

[15:17]

crweb: you should announce in ML when you do that, it's better

[15:17]

<crweb>

well.. I'd like to have someone test it first :)

[15:19]

<crweb>

it def. worked in the non-vm

[15:22]

i can't do that right now. i'm about to head off for some st patrick beer binge

[15:22]

but, can't you test yourself on VM ?

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<crweb>

not at the moment :/ its ok. I'll get it

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ok

[16:23]

crweb: you would need to transfer your code image over to the dsp then perform a reset and bam it jumps to your reset vector

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<crweb>

so.. i don't "have to load" as a kernel module?

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<crweb>

i just need a loader.

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well it has to be a kernel module in that you need direct memory access

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some part of it has to run in kernel space

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<crweb>

which is why you build the loader, it runs in kernel space and handles the dma

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<crweb>

i'm starting to work on a basic decoder/encoder

[16:28]

<crweb>

the encoder doesn't do much, just flips a couple of bits. so, writing the decoder won't be hard

[16:28]

<crweb>

trying to learn how to interface with it all

[16:30]

that code i have should be really close to getting something simple like that working

<crweb>

i'm going to work up to a flac decoder

woah

why don't you start simple, like pcm?

<crweb>

i am

also do you know if flac is floating point

<crweb>

you can do it non-floating point

<crweb>

just a little harder

<crweb>

i've got some flac code already, but for pc

[16:33]

<crweb>

first things first.. figure out how to run something on the dsp :)

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obviously you can do anything non floating point i was wondering if it was already written

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<crweb>

oh, yeah I'm sure there is

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<crweb>

no wait

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<crweb>

flac isn't floating point

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<crweb>

you don't round in flac, that would result in losses

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that's not really how it works

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<crweb>

?

[16:40]

<crweb>

rounding errors would cause lossy encoding

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it looks like flac has both floating point and fixed versions, from a quick grep of the source

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<crweb>

its suppose to be bit perfect encoding

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and i'm sure it does

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<crweb>

ah i see

[16:43]

* crweb is reading the wrong section

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<crweb>

it only supports fixed point samples

[17:33]

why does finalizing a recording take so long ... would it be faster if i used nfs instead of samba?

hi all

hi.

hi

i guess we got soc afterall

[19:58]

woohoo!

[19:59]

<American-Tech>

congrats

[20:01]

<American-Tech>

What happend?

[20:01]

would be schwell if I could check my email and find out

[20:09]

link?

[20:17]

just google "google soc" and you'll see neuros

[20:20]

<suma>

any latest firmware ?

[20:20]

code.google.com

[20:21]

what if i decide to get my act together and do XMMS2 or a torrent

[20:22]

:P

[20:22]

daurnimator: talk to one of the mentors.

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you know, you're supposed to put together a little proposal

...in writing :)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

oh

damn

Are there any age restrictions on participating?

[20:24]

Yes. You must be 18 years of age or older by April 9, 2007 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2007.

[20:24]

<crweb>

damn that means i'm out

[20:27]

<crweb>

JoeyBorn: if you have connection problems there is a neat little trick you can do. which is why i'm always crweb

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crweb: I'm all ears

[20:27]

<crweb>

JoeyBorn: sometimes I'll runn ircii in a screen session on a console, and then login to my home machine and resume the screen

[20:28]

<crweb>

that way, home machine is always on irc

[20:28]

<crweb>

on a stable connection, and I can be anywhere in the world and can be connected just like i was at home

[20:28]

yeah, DeepB does something like that

<crweb>

you can do it with x too, but i've never explored that

I can do it via vpn and remote desktop too.

<crweb>

now.. i've got to drag my sickly self out of bed and go out with the girls tonight for st. patty's

<crweb>

uuugghh..

[20:30]

but actually I'd just like to have a little script in xchat that checks if my current name is already in use and boots it if so.

[20:30]

crweb: not feeling well, eh?

[20:30]

<crweb>

not at all

JoeyBorn: i suggest you use something like dirc

<crweb>

It was very hard at 3pm to even get up to get my tablet over to my bed so i could try to pickup on what i missed of the meeting

it runs as an irc "proxy" on your stable computer

and when you connect from anywhere, it sends you logs of things you've missed