[01:17]	<JoeyBorn>	hi all
[01:18]	<American-Tech>	hi
[01:41]	<crweb>	qt is working great
[01:41]	<crweb>	i've got a nice music player/frontend to nms in the works
[01:41]	<daurn>	reckon you could get this working somehow?: www.qbittorrent.org
[01:41]	<daurn>	i think we can get rtorrent going really well fairly easily
[01:42]	<daurn>	but qbittorrent gives us a gui
[01:42]	<crweb>	rtorrent is a good idea
[01:42]	<crweb>	however, torrents assume a lot of things.. A.) you have someplace to store the data
[02:28]	<JoeBorn>	crweb: hows it going?
[02:31]	<American-Tech>	so what happend with soc?
[02:33]	<JoeBorn>	well, we just applied a hair late, and they made a special exception, but it took them a hair longer to post it.
[02:35]	<American-Tech>	thats cool
[02:36]	<American-Tech>	On a side not I thought summer of crumbs had a nice ring to it
[02:36]	<JoeBorn>	well, it's certainly funny anyway.
[02:36]	<JoeBorn>	I'm not sure how enthused I'd be about it if I was an intern that had to list it on my resume :)
[02:39]	<American-Tech>	No doubt
[02:40]	<American-Tech>	Your video on the remote is somthing we are considering doing, I never seen a commercial web site that has video explaining the product at hand.
[02:41]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, you can do a bunch of them youtube style with no effort at all.
[02:41]	<JoeBorn>	we've been talking about doing videos for years, and of course we never do it.
[02:41]	<American-Tech>	Well we have to put some effort in to it
[02:42]	<JoeBorn>	so I figured, I'll just do a youtube style, the heck with it.
[02:42]	<JoeBorn>	at least now we have something up.
[02:42]	<daurn>	JoeBorn
[02:42]	<daurn>	what do you think of bittorrent?
[02:42]	<daurn>	how would people interface with it?
[02:42]	<daurn>	where do you download stuff TO
[02:43]	<American-Tech>	Well we use the Youtube for sure
[02:43]	<JoeBorn>	well whatever external storage you'd otherwise use.
[02:44]	<American-Tech>	Just an idea
[03:05]	<American-Tech>	I hate to ask, If you had to quess when do you think the osd is ready for Primetime?
[03:07]	<JoeBorn>	well, I guess first before *I* answer I'll throw the question back to you.
[03:08]	<JoeBorn>	have you used the latest firmware?
[03:09]	<American-Tech>	I have never played with joe. I wanted a clear one but never got one and when I had one sent for myself we take a order for it and I just send it out.
[03:10]	<JoeBorn>	oh, interesting.
[03:10]	<American-Tech>	I orderd 4 times for myself
[03:10]	<JoeBorn>	when?
[03:12]	<American-Tech>	Various time after Christmas.. I even orderd 3 at one point but of course we took orders for them overseas and I just sent them out
[03:16]	<American-Tech>	I have one here That has to go out, but I am tempted to break it open
[03:22]	<JoeBorn>	well, in many ways it's in pretty good shape, I use my various ones every day.
[03:22]	<JoeBorn>	It's almost a must have for Lily's chinese lessons.
[03:23]	<JoeBorn>	and it's ideal for "watching TV on the plane" so to speak.
[03:23]	<JoeBorn>	these back and forth flights to shanghai give some time to catch up on TV :)
[03:26]	<American-Tech>	I lost my 442 on the vegas trip but I wanted to start recording stuff again. Do you have all the lessons for your daughter?
[03:26]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, we put a bunch of videos of various sources along with the video recordings from her lessons.
[03:27]	<JoeBorn>	and play them all back on the OSD.
[03:27]	<JoeBorn>	without that it'd be virtually impossible.
[03:27]	<JoeBorn>	I'd have some stack of DVDs, VCR tapes, it just wouldn't work.
[03:28]	<American-Tech>	So all recordings are in one location then
[03:29]	<JoeBorn>	exactly
[03:29]	<American-Tech>	Can they be accessed remotely
[03:29]	<JoeBorn>	and I also used it for recording from various sources.
[03:29]	<JoeBorn>	videocamera, some were on VCR tapes, etc
[03:30]	<JoeBorn>	well depends on the setup. At my folks house, I have it setup so the OSD records and plays back from a NAS device
[03:30]	<JoeBorn>	that device has an ftp server, etc.
[03:30]	<JoeBorn>	so I can access that stuff from anywhere.
[03:31]	<JoeBorn>	I'm eagerly awaiting crweb 's work to consolidate all that NAS stuff, or I guess I should say get it to the point we can include in official release
[03:31]	<American-Tech>	I thought so but I wanted to make sure I understood that question
[03:32]	<American-Tech>	That is the feature I am most looking forward to
[03:34]	<American-Tech>	With any luck I get set up in time for the Head-fi trip in April
[03:35]	<American-Tech>	I like to learn some basic Chinese :)
[03:36]	<JoeBorn>	sure, video is a great way to do it, I'm happy to help :)
[03:36]	<JoeBorn>	when is the head-fi trip again?
[03:36]	<American-Tech>	april 21-22
[03:36]	<American-Tech>	let me check
[03:36]	<American-Tech>	yup that is the date
[03:38]	<American-Tech>	looking forward to the event
[03:39]	<crweb>	i'm waiting for a few samba details to be worked out for the new release, then we'll be good to go
[03:39]	<American-Tech>	Hi Cred
[03:39]	<American-Tech>	Hi crweb
[03:40]	<American-Tech>	Well if you have any those videos that teach that would be great.
[03:40]	<JoeBorn>	wow you are really quite the nightowl, crweb
[03:41]	<American-Tech>	smart people those night owls
[03:41]	<crweb>	i was napping on the coutch watching the venture brothers dvd's
[03:41]	<crweb>	fell asleep readinga bout the dsp
[03:42]	<crweb>	I really want to make a codec that runs on the dsp
[03:43]	<crweb>	i really wish i could see the source for at least one ingenient kernel module
[03:44]	<crweb>	i just want to learn how they load them, and make use of the dsp
[03:46]	<crweb>	could be better not to see it though
[03:46]	<crweb>	will make me come up with my own solution for loading codecs/software onto the dsp.
[03:46]	<crweb>	one that flows better with how linux and multimedia applications actually work.
[03:47]	<crweb>	oh well :) night :)
[03:48]	<American-Tech>	night
[03:50]	<American-Tech>	are those chinese lessons on your ftp to download?
[03:50]	<JoeBorn>	we have an ogg decoder for the dsp
[03:50]	<JoeBorn>	you know that don't you crweb ?
[03:51]	<JoeBorn>	American-Tech: no they are not, but I can put them there when I get back to the US.
[03:51]	<American-Tech>	Thats cool
[03:53]	<American-Tech>	Is there document that tells how to update the firmware on the OSD?
[03:54]	<JoeBorn>	open.neurostechnology.com
[03:55]	<American-Tech>	thanks
[03:55]	<American-Tech>	Now to find that memory card
[05:38]	<hellwolf>	JoeBorn, are you around
[05:58]	<American-Tech>	He is in and out
[07:10]	<JoeBorn>	I'm back
[07:10]	<JoeBorn>	hellwolf: still there?
[07:11]	<hellwolf>	JoeBorn, hi
[07:11]	<JoeBorn>	I'm just looking at your project.
[07:12]	<hellwolf>	Most of things still in my box, haven't check in yet
[07:13]	<JoeBorn>	that's ok, the deadline is the 24th
[07:14]	<JoeBorn>	I don't think I can access it.
[07:14]	<JoeBorn>	I just shows a black student application form
[07:14]	<JoeBorn>	sorry blank
[07:14]	<hellwolf>	Try this : code.google.com
[07:14]	<hellwolf>	40gmail.com%3A64aee88f%3Ac383aeb6
[07:14]	<hellwolf>	sorry
[07:15]	<hellwolf>	Try this : code.google.com
[07:16]	<JoeBorn>	maybe only the mentors can see it?
[07:21]	<hellwolf>	I've no idea. And I open the Neuros Page on GSoC, it tells me " Current Projects
[07:21]	<hellwolf>	This Organization has not been assigned any Projects yet."
[07:28]	<JoeBorn>	:(
[07:33]	<JoeBorn>	ok off for ???
[07:34]	<JoeBorn>	hellwolf can explain :)
[07:37]	<hellwolf>	JoeBorn, a kind of noodle. The chef held a dough (??) on left hand, and use knife to cut it into pieces. :D
[07:39]	<vmarks>	morning.
[07:40]	<hellwolf>	JoeBorn, He cuts it directly into cookpot. Eh... hard to explain it in english, if you want to eat it, you'd better to see how it was made
[07:41]	<vmarks>	I need to get around to upgrading the firmware, just to see the interface changes.
[07:45]	<vmarks>	JoeBorn: I can't comment on that page. weird.
[09:43]	<sorune>	nerochiaro: crweb: Is there a user script location on the OSD? I'd like to run a mount script on boot. Note that I'm not booting off the network. Something like /mnt/OSD/rc.user would be nice.
[10:54]	<Hostile>	does 0.84 have the new vendor codecs or no?
[10:57]	<sorune>	Hostile: Isn't that the 3.28 designation?
[10:57]	<Hostile>	oh. probably. so that would mean it does not =\
[10:58]	<sorune>	I think that's correct, but not 100% sure.
[10:59]	<Hostile>	That would make sense wouldn't it lol
[11:05]	<sorune>	Yeah, so that probably means it's not right. :)
[11:05]	<Hostile>	haha yeah seriously
[17:56]	<sourcerror>	sorune: look at "/etc/init.d/mainsetup". You will see it checks for "/tmp/media/OSD/rc.user" and executes it
[17:56]	<sourcerror>	...during boot
[18:04]	<sorune>	sourcerror: hmmm... that looks like it would work, except it is deleted on a reboot (at least with 0.84)
[18:05]	<sorune>	oops, forgot I backed down to 0.63 (can you confirm this works with 0.84?)
[18:08]	<crweb>	its suppose to be /mnt/OSD/rc.user
[18:14]	<sorune>	ok, should i enter a bug report?
[18:25]	<crweb>	i'll just patch it
[18:29]	<JoeBorn>	AFAIK, .84 has the new vendor codecs
[18:29]	<JoeBorn>	3.28 is something else
[18:30]	<JoeBorn>	has to do with non DM320 code or hw revisions or something like that
[18:30]	<sorune>	crweb: great, thanks!
[18:33]	<crweb>	web google groups doesn't allow us to post attachements...
[18:33]	<crweb>	that really pisses me off..
[18:34]	<pb100>	Does neuros-osd-tar.bz2 contain all the needed libraries for custom C/C++ development?
[18:35]	<sorune>	JoeBorn: do you get release notes with the new codecs that could be posted publicly?
[18:38]	<crweb>	heh.. they keep fighting me for my requirements for the samba server
[18:38]	<crweb>	tmpfs started at 32k I needed it raised to 512k to do everything i need
[18:38]	<crweb>	that lasted about 4 hours and they lowered it to 256k, and then this release, its all the way down to 64k
[18:39]	<crweb>	it'll be back to 32k and then I'll have to start all over again.
[18:43]	<sorune>	maybe you could use /mnt/OSD and have startup scripts to clean things up?
[18:44]	<crweb>	sorune: can you help me out real quick
[18:45]	<sorune>	maybe
[18:45]	<crweb>	sorune: read /etc/fstab and see what it says for size= on the tempfs line
[18:45]	<sorune>	32k on 0.63
[18:45]	<crweb>	oh
[18:45]	<sorune>	i don't like 0.84 much
[18:45]	<crweb>	i need 0.84
[18:53]	<sorune>	oh my goodness
[18:54]	<sorune>	apparently somebody with the beryl or xgl development think shift-backspace should restart the x-server :(
[18:54]	<sorune>	all this time i thought it was just buggy, but it's actually a feature
[18:59]	<sorune>	well, in case anybody cares... customisinglife.wordpress.com
[19:02]	<srobertson>	it's a *feature*? wow, that's... shortsighted
[19:03]	<sorune>	yeah, i was just about to go back to doing without xgl/beryl
[19:04]	<sorune>	then i realized that it was always happening when i was hitting backspace :)
[19:04]	<sorune>	and held the shift key too long
[19:05]	<sorune>	that's got to be the most brain damaged shortcut i've ever heard of :)
[20:36]	<crweb>	sorune: patch was accepted
[20:36]	<JoeBorn>	woohoo
[20:38]	<crweb>	JoeBorn: the admin of the google soc needs to authorize my mentor request
[20:38]	<crweb>	still says i'm pending
[20:39]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, that's a known bug
[20:39]	<vmarks>	hi JoeBorn
[20:40]	<JoeBorn>	vmarks: hello
[20:41]	<crweb>	Hello jwu
[20:42]	<jwu>	crweb: hello
[20:45]	<crweb>	and peterqiu hello!
[20:50]	<American-Tech>	hiddy ho
[20:51]	<peterqiu>	Crweb, Hello.
[20:52]	<crweb>	terry and mgao show up and I'll start to worry the internal team is trying to take back the neuros channel ;)
[20:52]	<pb100>	anyone familiar with development on the VM?
[20:52]	<crweb>	How is development today?
[20:53]	<crweb>	pb100: depends on what you mean by familiar..
[20:53]	<crweb>	I've used it a few times...
[20:54]	<jwu>	crweb: why do you worry about that?
[20:55]	<peterqiu>	Is the OdNt drpual setup by you, Crweb? It is excellent.
[20:55]	<pb100>	crweb, I am running Neuros Development.vmx, and I can compile simple 'Hello World' kind of apps, but I can't interface with anything that requires the Cooler libs. I don't have the needed headers 'client-nms.h, nmsplugin.h...'. I am just wondering about the best way to load them.
[20:57]	<crweb>	jwu: it was sarcasm.
[20:57]	<crweb>	jwu: no, actually it was a joke
[20:57]	<crweb>	peterqiu: no, I'm not sure who set it up. I know Xorlev has something to do with it though
[20:58]	<crweb>	pb100: ah, yeah.. those are details that are coming soon.. heh
[20:58]	<Xorlev>	I didn't setup Drupal. It was there when I came.
[20:58]	<crweb>	pb100: i'm actually going to be researching that more this week, and hopefully get some usable packages out soon
[20:59]	<crweb>	pb100: you can of course manually copy them in
[20:59]	<crweb>	pb100: and the .so's are in /srv/neuros-osd-rootfs/lib
[21:00]	<pb100>	crweb, yeah, I noticed the .so's are available. I was able to find headers on svn, I just didn't know about the 'cleanest' way to do it.
[21:00]	<crweb>	pb100: that cleanest way to do it is the majority of the debate, and the delay
[21:01]	<pb100>	crewb, I am currently downloading neuros-osd.tar.bz2, are the .h files going to be there?
[21:01]	<crweb>	i don't know what neuros-osd.tar.bz2 is
[21:01]	<pb100>	it's from the tarballs.
[21:01]	<crweb>	oh
[21:02]	<crweb>	yeah, there will be some in there. They may not match the .so's completely, but should be good enough to hold you over.
[21:02]	<crweb>	err, actually, they are all in there
[21:03]	<pb100>	crwen, cool! Thanks a bunch.
[21:03]	<crweb>	pb100: the refactoring of osdmain/cooler will help the inclusion of the headers and libs very much
[21:03]	<peterqiu>	Crweb: when upload the file which more than 8M, maybe cause problem. We have upload several times but can not success. Is it a bug of drupal? Thanks!
[21:03]	<crweb>	peterqiu: i hear that it is a bug of drupal
[21:03]	<peterqiu>	Crweb: I get it. Thanks!
[21:04]	<crweb>	though, i do wonder if maybe in the admin settings somewhere if there is a max file size set
[21:04]	<pb100>	crweb, thanks for everything.
[21:04]	<crweb>	if so, maybe it can be raised. Xorlev?
[21:05]	<Xorlev>	Max file upload size might be PHP. I can check it
[21:06]	<crweb>	Xorlev: i see in the drupal docs it can be set
[21:06]	<crweb>	; Maximum allowed size for uploaded files.
[21:06]	<crweb>	upload_max_filesize = 100M
[21:06]	<crweb>	post_max_size = 200M
[21:06]	<Xorlev>	Yeah, that's what I meant by PHP.
[21:06]	<crweb>	ah
[21:06]	<JoeBorn>	peterqiu: DeepB setup drupal, but zorlev is maintaining it nowdays
[21:07]	<Xorlev>	Alrighty, I changed the max upload size with PHP. Give it a try
[21:07]	<crweb>	peterqiu: might be fixed
[21:08]	<crweb>	Xorlev: what was it set to?
[21:08]	<Xorlev>	Er wait a sec
[21:08]	<crweb>	hah.. yeah.. that wasn't pretty
[21:09]	<Xorlev>	I'm not sure what it was originally set to, but I overrode it in the .htaccess
[21:09]	<crweb>	peterqiu: if you could, give it a try now
[21:35]	<peterqiu>	Crweb,Xorlev: Thanks for your great suppot. I are meeting, I'll try one moment later.
[22:28]	<sourcerror>	sorune, crweb: is /mnt/OSD really wiped on a reboot? I'm on 0.73 and it doesn't. Maybe it is cleaned on FW upgrade or when FW changes partition sizes?
[22:31]	<sorune>	sourcerror: /mnt/OSD isn't wiped, but the mainsetup script is looking for rc.user in /tmp/media/OSD which is wiped
[22:33]	<sourcerror>	ah yea. I use /mnt/OSD but haven't used /tmp/media/OSD/rc.user :) thanks!
[22:34]	<sourcerror>	...i was thinking they were symbolic links to same place.
[22:35]	<sorune>	it looks like they were at one time (the ln -sf is commented out in that mainsetup script)
[22:46]	<sourcerror>	aha.
[22:51]	<vmarks>	,,,
[23:11]	<Ru>	hi all !!!
[23:12]	<JoeBorn>	hello
[23:12]	<sourcerror>	hi Ru
[23:13]	<Ru>	today im finished with russian localisation
[23:13]	<JoeBorn>	wow, great
[23:13]	<Ru>	ye its works fine, no problem
[23:14]	<Ru>	but, i cannot read filenames in russian
[23:14]	<Ru>	what i need to do?
[23:18]	<sourcerror>	Ru: were you talking to nerochiaro about this?
[23:18]	<Ru>	no, just finished.
[23:19]	<Ru>	and hebrew too ;)
[23:20]	<sourcerror>	Cool. I'm not sure the context, but I see in the IRC logs a conversation you were having with nerochiaro.
[23:21]	<Ru>	yes , and now its works
[23:22]	<sourcerror>	how did you end up doing it? changing source code?
[23:23]	<Ru>	yes, some files in cooler, plugins ,and main app
[23:24]	<Ru>	in i18n added some new languages and phrasetexts
[23:26]	<sourcerror>	That's great! FYI: I was actually looking into i18n support and doing it with the GNU gettext API. If they switched to that your stuff is still used but will go into language files.
[23:27]	<Ru>	ok
[23:27]	<sourcerror>	have you heard of gettext?
[23:28]	<sourcerror>	GNU gettext: www.gnu.org
[23:28]	<Ru>	yes , but no too mutch
[23:29]	<sourcerror>	anyway, you should post your stuff in the mail list and I bet they will happily include it!
[23:29]	<Ru>	ok
[23:29]	<sourcerror>	I wish I was multilingual. I learned some Spanish but don't remember much.
[23:30]	<Ru>	i know russian ukranian belarussian polish hebrew and little bit english
[23:31]	<sourcerror>	wow!
[23:31]	<Ru>	all these language i can translate to osd ;)
[23:32]	<sourcerror>	is hebrew one of those languages that is written right to left?
[23:32]	<Ru>	yes
[23:33]	<sourcerror>	did you handle that for the OSD?
[23:33]	<sourcerror>	or do you just reverse letters?
[23:34]	<Ru>	just reverse for now
[23:34]	<sourcerror>	yea.
[23:35]	<Ru>	ok need to check some options with rtl support and implementation
[23:35]	<Ru>	but russian nope
[23:35]	<Ru>	now i need language support for filenames
[23:36]	<Ru>	but dont know how to do it
[23:36]	<sourcerror>	why is that different?
[23:37]	<Ru>	all my files on computer have russian names, and with osd i cant read names...
[23:38]	<sourcerror>	so when it lists the files it doesn't show in the russian font?
[23:38]	<Ru>	dosen't
[23:39]	<sourcerror>	hmm.
[23:39]	<Ru>	????????.avi like this
[23:40]	<sourcerror>	I don't have any good ideas for you
[23:41]	<sourcerror>	but I understand what you mean.
[23:41]	<Ru>	maybe its no charmap for russian fonts in system
[23:43]	<Ru>	i tried to enable all iso standarts for russian in dm320 cinfiguration
[23:43]	<Ru>	witout any results
[23:43]	<Ru>	its enabled, but still ??????
[23:44]	<Ru>	ok, thank u, i need to go. i'll be back soon.
[23:44]	<sourcerror>	hmm. I don't know.
[23:44]	<sourcerror>	great work! talk to you later.