Log from #neuros IRC channel

if you really want the "crazy westerner" look on your employees, just put a little fish bowl in the manager office, with a black fish in it and sign "boss".

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Emmett: exactly, that wouldn't help me much!

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nerochiaro: and then "consult with the boss" on any important matter?

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i see you're getting into the spirit

I've seen your GUI

and I think

yup

a fish designed this

j/k

Emmett: appearently a fish with beard open.neurosaudio.com

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and a good one

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I was only kidding. Xiph is a fish.

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i know

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i really need my morning tea

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I have to be wide awake in about three hours and ready for a long day

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I tried to sleep but I got about an hour.

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hey speak of the devil!!!

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uh oh

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whatd I do now

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or is it what i didnt do

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hello btw

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read a couple hours back in the logs, there's some stuff you'll find interesting

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how do I do that

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but nothing really pertinent, your visage just appeared briefly in conversation.

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go to open.neurostechnology.com and on the left, you'll see a link to IRC logs

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* Johndesigner log n)b

okay will do

is gao in the US?

i think so

yep, gao should be there now.

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he left a day or two agao.

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either that or it's a very elaborate game of hooky

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JoeBorn: it's a fish too

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is anone over there working feverishly on the on-screen viedo controls?

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just wondering

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define "over there" and "on screen video controls"

heh

you mean xiamen?

yep Xiamen

well, I dunno, but as you know, the fonts still look "like ass" on some TV sets.

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someone 'll have to figure out how to cure that.

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and the video controls would be the on-screen while video is plying to pause/ff/etc

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font - methinks it will need a higher rez font file

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no one seems motivated enough on that one.

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I was looking at those fonts on-screen yesterday

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even worse than nintendo looking

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in some areas

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just out of curiosity, aren't there specific kind of fonts designed to work better on TV screens ? i'd be surprised of the contrary

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I am hoping the fix is outputting a higher quality ttf font file

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nero - yep - the font we are using is Myriad - apple and a slew of other guis use it for that reason

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I dont know exactly what is going on there yet with the font quality

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I made a new .ttf version that improved over the last font version that looked really bad

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made that new version a while ago tho

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I've been trying to hold off on bitching about some of the graphic niceities - especially the smaller ones

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we did get the bold font implemented tho

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anyway, I wanted to know if any of the Xiamen programmers are waiting for the video overlay design

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I'll tell you one thing I sure won't miss is the Chinese internets

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waiting as in held up without it

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gao would know better, but I'd be pretty surprised

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I need a tin can and string to his house

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I don't reccomend it

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not a big deal

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mostly I'm jsut suffering from understimulation..nobody in the room to throw my hijiinks at

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yeah, well keeping folks entertained is pretty much my role on this channel

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* Johndesigner throws hijiinks in one /zero format

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hmm not satisfying

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Johndesigner: try hijinks in hex

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srobertson: you around ?

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ack, I can't spell hex

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nerochiaro: john is an arteeest

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he took it off for the video, but he normally wears a beret

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im wearing a beret as we speak

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oh hey...what is the 'goto' irc client nowadays..been about 4 years since i did much irc

on a pc

What platform?

im using mirc now

mIRC for Windows

X-Chat for Linux and OS X

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ah thx

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I just xchat for windows too.

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Emmett: boo! irssi for Linux ;)

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I loves me my X-Chat

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I didn't know they had it for Windows

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Emmett: i know, i was joking. as long as you don't say bitchx i'm ok

ircII!

:)

fried bananas time

hopefully it'll take my mind off the pain from these internets

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i see what you wre talking about when i shoed up

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showed up that is

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hideous colors and such on the GUI

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no, they were just joking, Emmett doesn't even have a working OSD right now.

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he had a dev unit that the firmware hasn't been updated for 6 months.

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i take no offense even if you weren't joking

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Johndesigner: we were just joking. the only complain i had with the redesigned UI was that it was too dark for my tv tuner

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actually, i read on the log about xcasex making the comment

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seriously tho, i have a pretty thick skin and want to know your real thoughts

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when given that is

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not really asking for a critique just now

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:)

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my main thing now is really just the way those fonts look on the TV, that's not your fault I know, but we've got to get that one figured out

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it really looks horrible on a lot of TV sets.

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The darkeness levels, fonts, icons all need to be adjusted for that design to look good

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horrible how..i can prolly guess but what are you seeing

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nerochiaro: I suppose one alternative for the IR blaster "survey" would just be to copy the supported set-top boxes from a universal remote here

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oh the overall size will be adjusted to fit better on the ntsc too

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JoeBorn: yes, if there's such a list and we can match it to the lirc list. we need a human to sit down and do that, though

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Johndesigner: well I guess it's that aliasing issue you know about

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the lines are not sharp, stairstepped and then look kind of weak or dim (largely as a result of above I guess)

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the aliasing *should* be easy enough to fix

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just look at the OSD UI on the TV in the "executive suite" when you get to xiamen

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which stall is the executive suite?

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nerochiaro: now that is a job for xiamen if ever there was one!

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btw, you have your own rollaway bed in the executive suite now, neuros orange too :)

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was it orange to begin with?

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Johndesigner: nerochiaro: important thing you just made me think of regarding stalls.

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* Johndesigner digs out his bubble boy suit john travolta gave him

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the research part has a "western style" toilet in the bathroom, just keep looking for it if you don't find it at first.

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JoeBorn: stalls ?

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in the bathroom

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most of the toilets are flush with the floor

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but there is one that's more like what you are presumably used to.

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JoeBorn: you mean they are "hole in the ground" style ?

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nerochiaro: yes

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i can handle these, as long as the place where we live has an in-room toilet

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* Johndesigner has his own bucket for such purposes

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two toilets! We are big time!

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wow, king's apartment

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no, back the IR stuff, do we actually have a list of set-top-box remotes from an universal remote manufacturer, or was that just hypothetical ?

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well, there are probably three possible solutions.

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1. just go to store and buy universal remote and see what stuff it supports

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2. ask remote manufacturer in China, maybe the one we use, for a list of set-top boxes or something

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3. talk to universal electronics about licensing something from them.

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2 and 3 seem better to me

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well forward your request to Sophia then, she's the contact for #2

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I'll look into #3

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Johndesignerz: yes, it began life orange, in fact it's brand new

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kewl, you could sleep in the woods during deer season

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gao even bought a new quilt and such for you

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it's incredibly luxuriuos, please don't get a big head over it.

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too late, i was just writing my mom about how much you guys love me

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i do appreciate the quilt

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hows everything at the global headquarters?

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did you guys see my email on the xmms2 stuff?

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my idea was that you'd play with all that stuff once you got to xiamen

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peter has set up some of it already

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JoeBorn: which on of the xmms2 mails ?

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the one with the schedule in a spreadsheet

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i saw the discussion about it being complicated

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Well, this is a big project, as Gao suggested, we'll have to take it in

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stages. XMMS2 is a wickedly cool and powerful player, with features

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coming out the wazoo

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a speard sheet or ms project file

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?

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JoeBorn: i just replied that for sending data to lastfm it's trivially easy to convert the plugin. and for streaming audio from lastfm we need to have on board a library that we currently don't ship

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gao sent out a project file and I replied with a spreadsheet

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Johndesignerz: it's an open office spreadsheet

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how big is the library?

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without playing from last.fm, its really not that useful IMHO

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Johndesigner: agreed we have to take it in stages, thats what I layed out

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osd-sw-schedule.mpp is the only file ive seen

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nerochiaro: wasn't john included on that email?

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i think not, let me check

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as for the library, i need to try and build it, i'll tell you in a little

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oh, well forward to him, my mistake. I fear the pigeon system may not be up to the task

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JoeBorn: zip codes in the USA are numeric only, right ?

yes numeric

yep

thanks

Johndesigner: forwarded email about xmms2 to you also

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thanks

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What is the website addy for the wireless networking info

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in need it for a help life that currently says "www.asdfasdf.com

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and I doubt that www.asdfasdf.com is correct

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this one ? wiki.neurostechnology.com

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it's outdated though. i have a task to get it up to speed, but i have not started on that yet

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must be that one...thanks

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i'll leave the www.asdfasdf.com in there for now

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kinda funny actually

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that what it says on the latest OSD GUI

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indeed. and shows the one who wrote it doesn't use a dvorak keyboard

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Joe worte it...i transferred it and by god it was implemented just so

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Johndesigner: i think we should also have someone at Xiamen implement automatic wrapping of text in these help boxes

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I did see something to that effect being discussed

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it's sorely needed IMHO

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discussed at Xiamen ?

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yep it was dicuseed in bugzilla somewhere

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bugzilla.neurostechnology.com

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so appearently it's already there. gotta check

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well, a number of items are there but need to be adjusted an massaged

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Johndesigner: i have a little comment about the progress bars in the UI. i don't really think it's a good idea to have these 2 small squares at start and end of the bar

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i think they are confused as part of the bar when the bar is empty

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Those were supposed to be 5 px square ..much smaller

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problem is anot much of this was designed witha fine tooth comb from when i was moonlighting

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the progress bar needs to be changed I agree

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same for scroll bars, which are the same now

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scroll bar is the exact same widget i believe

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ah, rihgt

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most of the GUI nasties should be able to be worked out during my Xiamen trip in april

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i hope anyway, bc I'm reduced to designing for a light brite right now

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what do you mean with "lite brite" ?

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except the pegs are jagged and low rez

i'm being dramatic of course

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i can see that being a problem :)

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wow, help text font in 0.84 looks hideous on my screen. letters have clipped off pieces

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oh, it was just my deinterlacer. nevermind

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whew..

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they do look pretty bad tho

sleep time for me

good nite

see you later

beaufour: Alive?

* beaufour checks his pulse

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yeah, think so :)

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You will let me into your beta!

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Or I shall raze your crops and hear the lamentations of your women!

lol

emmett@sonivius.com

lemme in

or the pain arrives in silk-lined boxes of the finest asian softwoods

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I like your style :)

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menace of the biblical kind sure is more convincing than menace of the mafia kind you used the other day :)

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I do what needs to be done. :)

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beaufour: In all seriousness, I'm a TV producer and I should be let in even though this is the case.

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Emmett: well, the "should" I dunno. There is an awful lot of TV producers in the world :)

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Yes, but none of them, not one, are as unbelievably awesome as I am.

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heh

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I can barely hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

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I dunno, it's beginning to sound a bit like a plot from a B movie ;-)

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Let me into the beta or your technology is laid to waste by a plague of reporters asking why it doesn't work as well as the vaporware I have in this lead-lined suitcase.

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You may have better (nay, existent) technology, but I will give them candy and lies, therefore securing my photo (NOT YOURS) on the cover of Wired Or Something.

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welcome oh overlord of the C movies

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I see you have done my bidding. Your family will not see you suffer.

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<emma_peel>

mornin

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* beaufour summoned his guard dog emma_peel

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go emma_peel, attack!

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