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[00:40] <batmark> um is mount not working for anyone else on 3.28-0.88?
[00:41] <crweb> what are you trying to mount?
[00:43] <batmark> just a usb stick
[00:43] <batmark> it works fine when osdmain does the automount
[00:44] <batmark> but when i try to do it manually it doenst work
[00:44] <batmark> # mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 USB/
[00:45] <batmark> mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on USB/ failed: No such device
[00:45] <batmark> errr sorry that should be /dev/sda
[00:46] <batmark> crweb: any thoughts?
[00:47] <crweb> hold that thought
[00:47] <crweb> my tablet fan is blowing full force but no air is coming out.
[00:48] <crweb> bbiab
[01:08] <Lewis> hi
[01:08] <Lewis> is there anyone alive?
[01:11] <pb100> I am
[01:21] <Lewis> I don't really understand what the OSD is
[01:23] <daurnimator> its a device
[01:23] <daurnimator> that runs linux
[01:23] <daurnimator> it has a usb port, and card slots
[01:23] <daurnimator> it has RCA video output and RCA & svideo in
[01:23] <daurnimator> it has sound in & out
[01:23] <daurnimator> it has ethernet
[01:23] <daurnimator> - let your imagination run free
[01:24] <pb100> lewis, have you checked out the website?
[01:24] <Lewis> yes, the wiki
[01:25] <Lewis> it sounds like a pc or something
[01:25] <pb100> not really, it's more like an embedded system
[01:26] <Lewis> what is an embedded system
[01:26] <pb100> iPod, DSL router, etc.
[01:26] <Lewis> ok
[01:26] <Lewis> can a computer be considered an embedded system?
[01:27] <daurnimator> Lewis: an unpowerful computer that uses little power, and no noise etc
[01:27] <pb100> they usually don't have moving parts, are small, and don't need a keyboard/mouse.
[01:27] <Lewis> ok
[01:27] <daurnimator> an embedded system can be considered as a computer
[01:27] <Lewis> ok, I got it now
[01:28] <Lewis> so in what way it's advantageous
[01:28] <daurnimator> you can have it in your entertainment centre - no noise
[01:28] <daurnimator> have it anywhere you want - hang it on a wall, under a couch
[01:28] <daurnimator> and it can be doing whatever you want
[01:29] <daurnimator> the OSD is epecially geared towards multimedia applications - marketed at converting videos from PC/input for ipod/pda consumption
[01:29] <daurnimator> as well as watching videos on your computer on a TV
[01:30] <Lewis> ok
[01:30] <Lewis> I can picture it now
[01:30] <crweb> it was def a good idea to take apart the tablet and clean out the fan
[01:30] <crweb> it was getting so hot i couldn't touch it
[01:32] <batmark> crweb: thats not good. fixed now?
[01:32] <crweb> seems to be working
[01:32] <crweb> nothing was really blocking the fan though
[01:33] <batmark> so thoughts on my my mounting aint working?
[01:33] <crweb> theres a nice stream of air coming out now though
[01:33] <crweb> even at low speed
[01:33] <crweb> ah, yeah, can you repost?
[01:33] <batmark> mount -t msdos /dev/sda USB/
[01:34] <batmark> mount: Mounting /dev/sda on USB/ failed: No such device
[01:35] <crweb> well, usually you mount a partition first off
[01:35] <batmark> sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda (from dmesg)
[01:35] <crweb> sda isn't a filesystem
[01:35] <Lewis> do we have to be technically experienced to help
[01:35] <batmark> sorry i was actually doing sda1
[01:36] <batmark> but i get the same message
[01:36] <crweb> batmark: well, try sda2 or 3 or 4
[01:36] <batmark> nope
[01:36] <batmark> there is only one partition on the disk
[01:36] <crweb> fdisk /dev/sda
[01:37] <batmark> the osd doesnt have fdisk
[01:38] <batmark> put i just formatted it 2day with gparted. only one partition
[01:38] <crweb> run dmesg
[01:38] <crweb> see if any other errors come up
[01:38] <batmark> nope it just looks normal
[01:39] <batmark> also mounts perfectly on my laptop. its very weird. not only this drive. my other usbdisk also doesnt mount
[01:42] <Lewis> I'm interested in the google summer code
[01:43] <crweb> batmark: did it work before .88?
[01:44] <batmark> one of the disks i just got 2day. but the other one used to work not sure if i ever manually mounted it though
[01:45] <crweb> could be a .88 error
[01:45] <crweb> I've no way to test it right now though
[01:45] <crweb> maybe in the morning ( +8)
[01:45] <batmark> k
[01:46] <pb100> crweb, is the watchdog issue a known bug?
[01:48] <crweb> i haven't ran into a watchdog issue for several months
[01:48] <crweb> maybe they just now started to re-enable it
[01:48] <crweb> it will be easy to check when i find, plugin, and update mine :)
[01:49] <pb100> I am wondering if the 'echo "V" > /dev/softdog' is failing because / is mounted ro.
[03:15] <Bhavi> Is this the place for discussing about ARM/DSP bridge project as in GSOC
[05:05] <sorune> batmark: will 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/tmpfs/media/USB' work?
[05:11] <crweb> right, you might have to use vfat
[06:14] <American-Tech> Where is the document on how to upgrade OSD firmware?
[06:28] <American-Tech> nevermind
[06:51] <batmark> crweb, sorune: still doesnt work. I re-partitioned with ext3 and it wouldnt mount with that either.
[06:54] <sorune> what is the error you're getting?
[06:56] <batmark> mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt/tmpfs/media/USB/ failed: Invalid argument
[06:58] <sorune> is it listed as sda1 now in dmesg output?
[06:59] <batmark> yup
[06:59] <sorune> and you used 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmpfs/media/USB'?
[07:00] <batmark> i changed it back to fat32 now using -vfat
[07:00] <batmark> but yeah i was using that when it was ext3
[07:00] <sorune> does that mount dir exist?
[07:00] <batmark> yep
[07:01] <sorune> that's bizarre
[07:01] <batmark> i know
[07:01] <batmark> it works perfectly on my laptop running linux
[07:01] <batmark> and i have a usb stick that is auto mounted by osdmain but when i try to mount it manually it wont work
[07:02] <sorune> oh, did you have a trailing slash... /mnt/tmpfs/media/USB/
[07:02] <batmark> yep
[07:02] <sorune> try removing that, just for grins
[07:02] <batmark> nope
[07:02] <batmark> same thing
[07:03] <batmark> this is very confusing!! :(
[07:06] <sorune> ah, that doesn't seem to matter on mine
[07:06] <sorune> :(
[07:06] <sorune> is osdmain mounting it to that same location '/mnt/tmpfs/media/USB' ?
[07:08] <batmark> nope
[07:08] <sorune> where does osdmain mount it?
[07:09] <batmark> ummm using an external hdd which osdmain doesnt automount for some reason
[07:09] <batmark> just made a new mount point and that didnt fix it either
[07:09] <sorune> does lsmod show the vfat module loaded?
[07:09] <batmark> sorune: what firmware are u?
[07:09] <sorune> i'm on the trunk as of yesterday
[07:10] <batmark> k
[07:10] <batmark> yep vfat is showing up in lsmod
[07:11] <batmark> it seems more like mount complaining about the command line syntax than anything else
[07:11] <sorune> what is your exact command line?
[07:12] <batmark> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmpfs/media/usbdisk/
[07:16] <sorune> you don't have mount aliased, right ('alias | grep mount')... and 'which mount' gives /bin/mount?
[07:17] <batmark> yup no aliases and mount points to /bin/mount
[07:17] <daurnimator> hey batmark & others
[07:17] <batmark> this is the latest firmware 3.28-0.88
[07:17] <batmark> yo daurnimator
[07:18] <batmark> having troubles mounting my osd *pun intended*
[07:18] <daurnimator> i sorta bought a CF wifi adaptor on ebay
[07:18] <sorune> crweb: we should have lsusb compiled in for these kinds of issues
[07:18] <daurnimator> i put a bid in for fun
[07:19] <daurnimator> - never thought i'd get it
[07:19] <daurnimator> and no one put a bit in after me
[07:19] <batmark> how much?
[07:19] <daurnimator> s/bit/bid
[07:19] <daurnimator> AU$40 shipped
[07:19] <batmark> not bad
[07:19] <daurnimator> wasn't expecting to win though
[07:19] <daurnimator> now gotta find $40
[07:19] <daurnimator> put it in paypal
[07:19] <batmark> lol
[07:19] <daurnimator> all that hassle
[07:20] <daurnimator> you want one by any chance?
[07:20] <batmark> ive got mine setup to take it straight out of my bank
[07:20] <batmark> lol not really
[07:20] <batmark> daurnimator: ur osd on latest firmware?
[07:20] <daurnimator> 3.88 or something
[07:21] <daurnimator> upgtraded a couple of weeks ago
[07:21] <batmark> u got a usb stick laying around
[07:21] <daurnimator> yeah
[07:21] <batmark> try mounting it from telnet see if it works
[07:21] <daurnimator> gotta plug in OSD :P
[07:21] <batmark> lol
[07:22] <daurnimator> na
[07:22] <daurnimator> i'm on .86
[07:22] <batmark> mine migrated next to the tv. very annoying when i want to play with it
[07:22] <daurnimator> should i upgrade more?
[07:22] <batmark> just try it anyway
[07:23] <daurnimator> it automounted
[07:23] <batmark> yeah umount it
[07:23] <batmark> and then use mount
[07:24] <daurnimator> whats the dev?
[07:24] <batmark> probs sda1
[07:24] <daurnimator> it worked
[07:24] <batmark> check dmesg
[07:24] <batmark> what command line u use?
[07:24] <daurnimator> /mnt/tmpfs/media # mount /dev/sda1 USB
[07:24] <daurnimator> /mnt/tmpfs/media # ls
[07:24] <daurnimator> USB network
[07:24] <daurnimator> /mnt/tmpfs/media # cd USB
[07:24] <daurnimator> /mnt/tmpfs/media/USB # ls
[07:24] <daurnimator> 20 Golden Greats Tale Of Gale.doc
[07:24] <daurnimator> 20,000 Watt R.S.L. Greatest Hits Western Dream
[07:24] <daurnimator> Natural Selection osd-3.26-0.30.upk
[07:24] <daurnimator> thats an old upk on that stick ;)
[07:24] <batmark> hmmm
[07:24] <batmark> k
[07:25] <batmark> would u mind updating to the latest firmware
[07:25] <batmark> ?
[07:25] <daurnimator> will have to download it
[07:25] <batmark> yes
[07:26] <daurnimator> k
[07:26] <daurnimator> downloading 3.90
[07:26] <batmark> where is that??
[07:26] <daurnimator> downloading 3.28 - 0.90
[07:26] <batmark> yeah i thought .88 was the latest
[07:27] <daurnimator> i dunno
[07:27] <batmark> whats the link to .90
[07:27] <daurnimator> i'm grabbing latest build
[07:27] <daurnimator> its on the fto
[07:27] <daurnimator> *ftp
[07:27] <batmark> k
[07:27] <batmark> link?
[07:28] <daurnimator> uh
[07:28] <daurnimator> neurosftp@ftp.neuros.com.cn
[07:30] <crweb> sorune: you don't need lsusb. all the info is in dmesg
[07:31] <crweb> those are very dangerous
[07:31] <crweb> they are not regularly tested
[07:31] <crweb> you really should only be using the releases on odnt
[07:33] <daurnimator> i've always used the ones on ftp
[07:33] <crweb> you shouldn't encourage it
[07:34] <crweb> there are several you could have used that would have bricked your osd
[07:34] <daurnimator> i think i've used most of them
[07:35] <crweb> daurnimator: we are here to help people, not cause more problems by encouraging use of non released versions
[07:35] <batmark> gaaaaaaa WTF? the usbstick is working now but external hdd is not :(
[07:35] <daurnimator> batmark: you on .90?
[07:35] <batmark> nope .88
[07:35] <daurnimator> ok
[07:35] <daurnimator> mines currently upgrading to .99
[07:35] <daurnimator> *.88
[07:36] * batmark  is confused and angry
[07:36] <daurnimator> my updates take about 30mins though
[07:36] <batmark> lol y?
[07:36] <sorune> fyi: yesterday somebody said .88 had playback issues
[07:39] <batmark> this is weird. i shouldnt be having a problem connecting a external usb hdd should i?
[07:39] <daurnimator> i've never tried
[07:39] <daurnimator> reckon my external cd drive would work?
[07:39] <daurnimator> j/k
[07:40] <batmark> lol
[07:40] <batmark> daurnimator: probs better than my external hdd is working
[07:45] <sorune> crweb: yes, all the info is in dmesg or /proc, but the lsusb interface is a little easier to use :)
[07:47] <daurnimator> batmark: worked fine
[07:47] <daurnimator> /mnt/tmpfs/media # umount USB
[07:47] <daurnimator> /mnt/tmpfs/media # mount /dev/sda1 USB
[07:47] <batmark> yeah mine seems to be working for my usbstick now also
[07:47] <batmark> can u try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 USB
[07:48] <daurnimator> if you get the pimple on the back of my neck which is pissing me off
[07:48] <daurnimator> works fine
[07:50] <batmark> k
[07:50] <batmark> must be something to do with the hdd then
[07:51] <turran> may1937: ping
[08:41] <vmarks> pong.
[08:45] <turran> vmarks: = may1937?
[09:02] <vmarks> nope.
[09:02] <vmarks> not the same.
[09:04] <turran> =(
[09:48] <Lewis> hi
[09:48] <Lewis> who I should talk to for the google summer code?
[10:03] <American-Tech> nerochario is who you should see..
[10:04] <Lewix> American-Tech: thanks. seems like he's not here :\
[10:10] <Emmett> Well, hang tight -- He's here an awful lot.
[12:02] <markoa> may1937: hi
[12:07] <pb100> anyone knows which firmware release doesn't have the watchdog enabled?
[12:35] <may1937> markoa: hello
[12:44] <may1937> hello Darchon
[12:44] <may1937> dsp does not have to coexist with current bridge
[12:45] <markoa_> may1937: can I email you my proposal before I submit it at google?
[12:47] <pb100> Is there a way to modify any of the startup scripts (/etc/init.d) without rebuilding the whole thing?
[12:47] <may1937> markoa_: sure
[12:47] <Darchon> hey may1937 :)
[12:48] <Darchon> ah, that's cool
[12:48] <Darchon> well.. crweb thought it would be kinda silly if it didn't...
[12:48] <Darchon> but maybe I misunderstood him
[12:49] <markoa_> may1937: is it adam_torgerson at fastmail ? I found it on the mailing list.
[12:51] <may1937> markoa_: prefer adam.torgerson at colorado edu
[12:51] <markoa_> ok
[12:53] <may1937> Darchon: well he is right in the sense that just having a bridge doesn't help us much
[12:53] <may1937> Darchon: but there is no way we can expect a student to implement a bridge for binary codecs we have neither source nor documentation for
[12:54] <Darchon> so true...
[12:54] <may1937> well not in 3 months anyway
[12:54] <Darchon> also he should have done some reverse engineering in the past then I figure
[12:54] <Darchon> and making it an embedded device doesn't make it easier
[12:55] <Darchon> in which case I wouldn't be ur guy for the job :P
[12:57] <may1937> yes, it is just not reasonable
[12:59] <Darchon> may1937: also, anything you'd like to see me add to my application? or other comments on it. PM if u want
[13:49] <pb100> anyone knows where to get packet_16M? The build script is looking for it, but it's not there.
[13:59] <nerochiaro> pb100: the tool to build the upk was in linux-r3-extra-apps until some time ago, but it wasn't named that way
[14:00] <pb100> nerochiaro, I just ran the build script...I downloaded the whole thing about a week ago.
[14:00] <nerochiaro> pb100: i'm checking
[14:07] <nerochiaro> pb100 it's built from linux-r3-extra-apps/uboot-tools ... check make_extra-app in build-helper.sh
[14:07] <nerochiaro> probably you're not running the build-helper script with "all" as option ?
[14:08] <pb100> ok cool, thanx.
[14:08] <nerochiaro> you need to do that or to do "build-helper.sh extra-app" at least once
[14:10] <pb100> So, is there any way to alter the start up scripts of the system without rebuilding the entire thing?
[14:11] <nerochiaro> alter in which way ?
[14:12] <pb100> like, adding a line to /etc/init.d/rc*
[14:13] <pb100> I am building a little RPC program, and I just need it to run at start up. It will accept commands from the network.
[14:13] <crweb> if you are in debian i have a build of the upk builder in neuros-osd-extras
[14:13] <crweb> www.limesg.com
[14:14] <nerochiaro> crweb: nah, let the build-helper build it from most recent souce
[14:14] <pb100> crweb, I have debian running the VM.
[14:14] <nerochiaro> it's its job :)
[14:14] <crweb> pb100: the vm that i built?
[14:14] <pb100> nero :)
[14:14] <pb100> crweb, that's the one!
[14:15] <crweb> same package name, just apt-get install neuros-osd-extras
[14:16] <nerochiaro> crweb: by they way, can you help him with that startup scripts question ?
[14:16] <nerochiaro> crweb: is the custom script ran at init already in svn ?
[14:16] <pb100> yeah, I'd really appreciate that...it's a real show-stopper for me :)
[14:17] <nerochiaro> anders_: you around ?
[14:18] <crweb> in the latest build you can put any startup commands in /mnt/OSD/rc.user
[14:18] <crweb> or you can create an /etc/rc.local
[14:18] <crweb> both run on bootup
[14:18] <pb100> crweb, yeah, but / is mounted ro.
[14:18] <crweb> you'll notice that /mnt/OSD/ isn't part of /
[14:19] <pb100> crweb, yeah I did, I was referring to /etc/*
[14:19] <crweb> if you're building firmware use /etc/rc.local
[14:19] <crweb> if you're adding commands to neuros firmware add them to /mnt/OSD/rc.user
[14:20] <pb100> crwen, I guess I will just use /mnt/OSD/rc.user...I just want to fire up my program on boot up.
[14:21] <crweb> well, that is why it is there
[14:21] <pb100> crweb, cool thanks a bunch!
[14:22] <nerochiaro> pb100: did you find a way around that problem of killing osdmain without reboots, from telnet ?
[14:23] <pb100> crweb, the only other problem is osdmain, I'll have to figure out a way to cleanly kill it.
[14:23] <nerochiaro> pb100: i take that as a no :)
[14:23] <pb100> no, as in, I can't figure it out...yes :)
[14:23] <crweb> i don't understand why you don't just nfs boot while you are developing
[14:24] <crweb> thats why you develop with nfs booting
[14:24] <pb100> crweb, well, I need this to run on a standalong device.
[14:24] <crweb> so?
[14:24] <pb100> standalone
[14:24] <crweb> develop your software, build the firmware, then flash it
[14:24] <nerochiaro> you can develop with netboot and then run the finished stuff on standalone
[14:25] <pb100> I can't build the firmware...way too many errors, I was able to build some of the libs seperately.
[14:25] <crweb> pb100: thats what the dev vm is for
[14:25] <pb100> I am using the dev vm.
[14:26] <crweb> pb100: its already setup to nfs boot, you don't have to build anything
[14:26] <nerochiaro> pb100: and which errors do you get ?
[14:26] <nerochiaro> pb100: the build-helper script should at least build everything just fine, when unmodified
[14:27] <nerochiaro> pb100: but yeah, for even easier developement of just apps, just use the vm
[14:27] <pb100> the include path is not right for a lot of .c files. I had to manually modify many Makefiles. In addition, several constants were not defined, I had to set them manually. Now, my code is somewhat different from what svn has.
[14:28] <pb100> actually, I build the RPC server using the VM, and it's working great! I just want to run the new server on the box without osdmain painting over my app :)
[14:28] <nerochiaro> pb100: you had to modify include paths for stuff in svn or for your own stuff ?
[14:29] <pb100> no, I modified the paths just so that the svn code would compile.
[14:29] <pb100> ...may be I didn't set the whole thing right.
[14:30] <crweb> you shouldn't have had to modify anything in the svn
[14:30] <crweb> you skipped a step that sets up the build
[14:30] <pb100> you're probably right.
[14:30] <crweb> but anyway, its already built
[14:30] <crweb> its in /srv/neuros-osd-rootfs
[14:31] <pb100> yeah, I can link with the cooler libs just fine! Teh code is running as it should on the OSD box.
[14:33] <crweb> the vm rootfs will be updated to 3.28-0.88 in a few min
[14:33] <crweb> as soon as i can find my package templates
[14:34] <pb100> crweb, thanks for the help!
[14:36] <JoeBorn> hi all
[14:36] <crweb> hi
[14:36] <crweb> how was the trip home?
[14:36] <JoeBorn> which one :)
[14:36] <crweb> hmm.. pick one :)
[14:36] <nerochiaro> hey JoeBorn
[14:36] <JoeBorn> nerochiaro: hello
[14:36] <nerochiaro> aren't you in Amsterdam ?
[14:37] <JoeBorn> crweb: yeah, all's fine thanks.
[14:37] <JoeBorn> just reading some AppleTV ads
[14:37] <crweb> amsterdam!?
[14:37] <JoeBorn> reviews rather.
[14:37] <JoeBorn> San Fran on Wed, Amsterdam on Thurs.
[14:38] <nerochiaro> oh right, losing track of where you are
[14:38] <JoeBorn> yeah, that makes two of us
[14:39] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: g2 is hacking at the appletv
[14:39] <JoeBorn> what does he think?
[14:39] <crweb> the appletv plays h264... thats a pretty big +
[14:39] <JoeBorn> I guess it's some kind of intel x86 processor
[14:39] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: yes
[14:40] <nerochiaro> as far as i understand it's just like some mac mini with osx on it
[14:41] <JoeBorn> I guess its not enough to encode real time though?
[14:41] <nerochiaro> no idea
[14:41] <JoeBorn> I read it was some sub 1GHz intel
[14:41] <crweb> it doesn't encode
[14:41] <crweb> i didn't think it had input
[14:42] <JoeBorn> crweb: yeah, I know the AppleTV doesn't record
[14:42] <crweb> oh i mis read
[14:42] <JoeBorn> I'm more interested in how competitive an intel processor would be for us
[14:42] <crweb> i don't think they really cared about encoding