[00:27]	<johndesigner>	anyone know of the best place to UL video files that don't play well on the OSD?
[00:27]	<johndesigner>	especially if they are about 350mb to 800mb
[00:28]	<crweb>	johndesigner: you can seen the smallest one you have to me
[00:28]	<crweb>	give me a sec to setup account
[00:28]	<johndesigner>	wait a sec ont he setup
[00:29]	<johndesigner>	I dont have the specific file jsut yet
[00:29]	<crweb>	ah
[00:29]	<johndesigner>	well i have one
[00:30]	<johndesigner>	one sofar that dops some frames - 1310 v bitrate/128kbps
[00:31]	<johndesigner>	BUT..heh.. iam viewing it over my 11g netowrk to OSD to USB vidCapture card to my computer...:D
[00:31]	<johndesigner>	hardly a scientific test
[00:31]	<crweb>	yeah, might be unreliable
[00:32]	<crweb>	and a little odd
[00:32]	<crweb>	heh
[00:32]	<johndesigner>	playing pretty well tho considering all those transfers
[00:32]	<crweb>	thats good to hear
[00:33]	<johndesigner>	heh..yeah an odd setup
[00:33]	<johndesigner>	i use it to to view OSD GUI on one screen while deigning on another
[00:33]	<johndesigner>	able to take screen shots to throw into graphics programs as reference
[00:34]	<johndesigner>	on the fly
[00:34]	<crweb>	thats what i do to
[00:34]	<crweb>	only i use my 442
[00:35]	<johndesigner>	neat..how does the 442 figure in for you?
[00:35]	<crweb>	osd out -> 442 -> usb cable ->pc
[00:35]	<crweb>	i use it as a mini tv
[00:35]	<crweb>	sitting on my desk
[00:36]	<johndesigner>	oh right 442 + monitor
[00:36]	<johndesigner>	clever little monkey
[00:36]	<johndesigner>	442 = monitor is what i menat
[00:36]	<crweb>	its how i test all the qt gui stuff
[00:38]	<johndesigner>	qt?
[00:38]	<crweb>	the new transparent bar for playback details is pretty neat
[00:39]	<crweb>	www.trolltech.com qt4
[00:39]	<crweb>	www.limesg.com
[00:39]	<crweb>	quick demo of qt in action on osd
[00:39]	<crweb>	i think.. or its:
[00:39]	<crweb>	www.limesg.com
[00:41]	<johndesigner>	hmm the test.avi is just a staic image - played on wmp
[00:41]	<johndesigner>	is that correct?
[00:41]	<crweb>	oh, yeah
[00:41]	<crweb>	gao wanted to see a screenshot
[00:42]	<crweb>	it was easier just to record a few sec
[00:42]	<johndesigner>	oh, gotcha
[00:43]	<crweb>	you can try anonymouse@quads.vwords.com
[00:43]	<crweb>	err,l anonymous@quads.vwords.com
[00:43]	<crweb>	and uploads into upload dir
[00:43]	<johndesigner>	where is the transparent bar you speak of /
[00:43]	<johndesigner>	?
[00:43]	<nerochiaro>	anonymouse is much better
[00:43]	<crweb>	heh
[00:44]	<crweb>	open.neurostechnology.com
[00:44]	<crweb>	wait
[00:44]	<johndesigner>	ah thx
[00:45]	<crweb>	ah, somebody recorded tivo
[00:45]	<crweb>	nvrmind
[00:45]	<crweb>	didn't see that at first glance
[00:45]	<crweb>	i should probably boot my osd and actually see what it looks like..
[00:46]	<johndesigner>	heh, i spend days and days design that bar...
[00:46]	<crweb>	;)
[00:46]	<crweb>	its doable
[00:46]	<johndesigner>	don't look at the one on the osd currently crweb
[00:46]	<johndesigner>	its not good
[00:47]	<crweb>	well.. you're in luck
[00:47]	<crweb>	i don't think i could get it to boot if i wanted
[00:47]	<johndesigner>	yay!
[00:47]	<johndesigner>	:(
[00:47]	<crweb>	i've got it non functioning trying to put the samba server in
[00:47]	<johndesigner>	aha
[00:48]	<johndesigner>	on screen video bar - I'm designing that in the next couple of days
[00:48]	<johndesigner>	will include bookmarking and clipping out of some type
[00:48]	<crweb>	so how far ahead are you on design, than actual functionality?
[00:49]	<johndesigner>	functionality - not much, but that will be driven somwheat by what i design
[00:49]	<johndesigner>	right now its just a wish list and a few incoherent layouts on my computer
[00:49]	<crweb>	same here for the qt stuff
[00:50]	<crweb>	i'm actually suppose to be in school... but, thats not working out to well ;)
[00:50]	<johndesigner>	so the qt = qtopia?
[00:50]	<crweb>	yeah
[00:50]	<johndesigner>	scholl is important
[00:50]	<crweb>	qt4, and qtopia4 are source compatable
[00:51]	<johndesigner>	I mispelled that..it should be skool
[00:51]	<crweb>	all i have left is calc2, physics2, statistical calculus, and linear algerbra
[00:51]	<johndesigner>	all at once then?
[00:51]	<crweb>	hah, in my dreams
[00:51]	<johndesigner>	:)
[00:51]	<crweb>	theres a reason the are ALL last
[00:51]	<johndesigner>	fear? loathing?
[00:52]	<crweb>	no, i'm just not very good at actual mathmatics
[00:52]	<crweb>	at all
[00:52]	* johndesigner  went to art skool
[00:52]	<crweb>	i can pass programming classes like nothing
[00:53]	<crweb>	heck, i've got a 100% in a class this semester, and i've only went twice
[00:53]	<nerochiaro>	eww, that stuff you have left scares the hell out of me
[00:53]	<johndesigner>	me and geometry get along pretty well...but math and I have agreed to disagree
[00:53]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: yeah, my outlook == bleek
[00:53]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: grim indeed
[00:53]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: I hope neuros doesn't mind to much if i don't finish
[00:53]	<crweb>	i need a break
[00:54]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: why they should care ? i never even went to university, that should be proof enough
[00:54]	* johndesigner  gives permission without having authority to do so
[00:54]	<crweb>	i figure, i'll take a class a semester
[00:55]	<johndesigner>	good plan
[00:55]	<crweb>	and tell the professors, "this is how it is"
[00:55]	<crweb>	if i have to miss, i'll miss
[00:56]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: aren't you paying a crap load of money to just say enrolled ?
[00:56]	<johndesigner>	I did something similar at design school...had hardcore classes left at the end, but was dong work for a consultant office in Chicago
[00:56]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: not really. I'm in state, and I live in the town the university is in
[00:56]	<johndesigner>	the schoool adiminstrators had a hard time arguing with my logic that.
[00:56]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i only have to pay about $800 a class
[00:56]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i see
[00:57]	<johndesigner>	they are preparing me to apply my education...and I was applying my education, but the school was then getting in the way
[00:57]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: out of state, is about $16k a semester
[00:57]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: in district is about $2k
[00:57]	<johndesigner>	eek 1600
[00:57]	<johndesigner>	16000
[00:57]	<johndesigner>	pricey but worth every penny
[00:59]	<crweb>	i will have to start payments on loans though
[00:59]	<crweb>	fact is, i can't learn anything else in my degree
[00:59]	<johndesigner>	to finish school story: i rec'd credits for 'internships' and work experience and we both called it even and they handed me a diploma of some sort
[01:00]	<crweb>	oh, i have a "generic" degree
[01:00]	<johndesigner>	not sure where it is actully - haven't used it since them - design is mostly portfolio so what you see is what you get
[01:01]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: if you can put them out publicly
[01:01]	<johndesigner>	crweb: i believe that is called General studies :
[01:01]	<crweb>	i've def. got that
[01:01]	<johndesigner>	nerochiaro: yea the actual desings yes...i left out the job part in Design job
[01:02]	<crweb>	out CS department really wants me to graduate though
[01:02]	<crweb>	err our
[01:02]	<johndesigner>	crweb: diversified knowledge of worldy elightenment endeavours
[01:02]	* nerochiaro  keeps thinking the US university system is weird
[01:02]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: you would probably be correct
[01:03]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: you can get a "General Studies" just by having x number of hours
[01:03]	<nerochiaro>	which is probably worthless because everyone knows that
[01:03]	<crweb>	heck actually, if i wanted I could have BA in computer science
[01:03]	<crweb>	Bachalor of Arts,
[01:03]	<crweb>	but I was trying the Science route, which is all this math
[01:04]	<johndesigner>	eek
[01:04]	<johndesigner>	on a different note: you folks have any faves for on-screen video controls or jsut on-screen controls in general?
[01:05]	<hellwolf>	computer science is all about math indeed
[01:05]	<johndesigner>	for me to stea....um reference
[01:05]	<johndesigner>	tivo of course
[01:32]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: do you have a script that does that trick email->upload ?
[01:32]	<crweb>	?
[01:32]	<crweb>	guess not ;)
[01:32]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: you mentioned you send email to that anonymouse@something address and they show up in upload folder
[01:33]	<crweb>	oh
[01:33]	<crweb>	that was ftp
[01:33]	<nerochiaro>	ah ok
[01:33]	<crweb>	anonymous
[02:07]	<johndesigner>	crweb: are you "the collector of misfit video files" ?
[02:09]	<johndesigner>	i ask for my own understanding of the work flow and who does what typically
[02:09]	<johndesigner>	in a general sense that is
[02:10]	<crweb>	johndesigner: i can host them so the right people can get them
[02:12]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: oh, by the way, i forgot to notify you yesterday. i'm positive we can have png in the splash. (not on uboot though)
[02:23]	<johndesigner>	crweb: thanks, good to know. I have about 500g of movies/tv to sample from
[02:24]	<johndesigner>	crweb: i'll try to send troublesome clips...kinda tough with my sort terms mountain of other design needs, but i can shoot off a few heer and there
[02:25]	<johndesigner>	nerochiaro: thats great news about the png!
[02:26]	<johndesigner>	nerochiaro: what does the uboot refer to?
[02:26]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: you mentioned you wanted to buy me a brewery if i gave you pngs in uboot no ?
[02:27]	* johndesigner  looks up any micro, micro, nano breweries for sale
[02:28]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: don't bother, that's not gonna happen
[02:28]	<crweb>	I had to call the cops
[02:28]	<crweb>	he didn't believe i lived here
[02:28]	<crweb>	its 2:30 fing in the morning
[02:28]	<johndesigner>	why calling the cops?
[02:28]	<crweb>	and i come out of my house to the driveway and he didnt' believe me
[02:29]	<crweb>	tow truck driver trying to steal my car
[02:29]	<crweb>	from MY driveway
[02:29]	<johndesigner>	were you wearing your viking helmet and spandex jumpsuit?
[02:29]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: is your car safe now ?
[02:29]	<crweb>	probably not
[02:30]	<crweb>	its a city wide scam
[02:30]	<johndesigner>	thats horrible
[02:30]	<crweb>	he wants me to pay $45 because he almost had it all the way hitched
[02:30]	<johndesigner>	is this chicago?
[02:30]	<crweb>	no, Carbondale (few hours south)
[02:31]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: clamp you car down, or put down these retractable pillars at the entrance of driveway
[02:31]	<crweb>	this is the 3rd time
[02:31]	<johndesigner>	ah, i see. chicago northside towing must have a branch around there
[02:31]	<johndesigner>	bc they do nonsense like that
[02:31]	<crweb>	no calls, nothing. He says nobody called it in, but he won't tell us why he's towing the car
[02:32]	<johndesigner>	must be behind on his quota...
[02:32]	<crweb>	says they will talk about it in the morning during business hours
[02:32]	<crweb>	last time, they made me pay $85 to get my car out
[02:32]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: and police said nothing ?
[02:32]	<crweb>	and still wouldn't tell me why they towed it
[02:32]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: "not much we can do once they have it hitched"
[02:33]	<johndesigner>	was it illegally parked?
[02:33]	<crweb>	i don't know what they want me to do with my car
[02:33]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: at least compell them to tell you why
[02:33]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i mean, ask the police to do that
[02:33]	<crweb>	i parked it in MY fucking driveway, that _I_ own
[02:33]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: he wouldn't talk to me about it
[02:33]	<johndesigner>	oh man...that is crimminal of them
[02:34]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: but he would do that to the police, that's what i'm saying
[02:34]	<crweb>	the officer did ask, and the driver replied "i can't tell you that"
[02:34]	<johndesigner>	they figure (based on my northside towing co experience) that you will pay up just to take the path of least resistance
[02:34]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: wow, and the officer didn't flinch ?
[02:35]	<johndesigner>	pay up including their BS 'storage' fee
[02:35]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: nope, said "we'd straighten it out in the morning"
[02:35]	<crweb>	aka, pay $85 and you'll get your car back
[02:35]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: but then no one straightened anything
[02:36]	<crweb>	well. he hasn't left yet
[02:36]	<nerochiaro>	so you're chatting up with a police officer in your house ?
[02:36]	<johndesigner>	crweb: sure, they don't have a leg to stand on legally, but they prey on folks wanting to avoid hassle
[02:36]	<crweb>	i didn't feel like screaming at the officer so i just left.
[02:37]	<johndesigner>	I can't blame you there
[02:37]	<nerochiaro>	well, my suggestion is still to put a barrier to the driveway, so they will leave you alone
[02:37]	<nerochiaro>	probably cost less than $85x3
[02:38]	<johndesigner>	towing is a racket in IL
[02:38]	<crweb>	last time i walked outside and my car was just gone
[02:38]	<johndesigner>	from your driveway no less
[02:39]	<nerochiaro>	or put retractable nails, when they come up to tow the car, pull them up, so they will need another tow truck to two away the first one
[02:39]	<johndesigner>	what was the reason given for towing it that time
[02:39]	<crweb>	they still wouldn't tell me even after i paid
[02:40]	<johndesigner>	so, now your recourse is to file a complaint and that time-consuming nonsense which will result in nothing done to the towers
[02:40]	<crweb>	did that last time. yes
[02:41]	<crweb>	plus last time i lost 6 hours of work
[02:41]	<crweb>	cause the guy never showed up to his office, so i couldnt getmy car back
[02:41]	<crweb>	and its way outside of town, and my ride had left
[02:41]	<crweb>	i sat there for several hours
[02:41]	<johndesigner>	lemme guess, the towing office wher you pay has very thick bullet proof glass and a knuckle dragger behind the counter?
[02:42]	<johndesigner>	that sucks
[02:42]	<crweb>	no, its just got 2 rows of chain linked fence and razor wire
[02:42]	<johndesigner>	nothing between you and the person taking ..well, stealing your $
[02:43]	<crweb>	well, it wasn't that guys fault
[02:43]	<crweb>	he was just daytime clerk
[02:43]	<johndesigner>	never is, but it wasn't your fault either
[02:43]	* nerochiaro  keeps mentioning driveway barrier
[02:43]	<crweb>	all the towers were gone
[02:43]	<crweb>	hah
[02:44]	<crweb>	drunkass roommate is outside yelling at them about the flashing lights
[02:44]	<johndesigner>	northside towing's business office is protected better than a military base
[02:44]	<johndesigner>	they get a LOT of unhappy people becasue of their dubious practices
[02:45]	<johndesigner>	what happens if you just calmly but continually ask why your car is targeted for towing?
[02:45]	<johndesigner>	over and over and over
[02:45]	<johndesigner>	wait him out
[02:46]	<johndesigner>	do you own this car outright?
[02:46]	<crweb>	they just keep saying have to wait till business hours to resolve any issues
[02:46]	<crweb>	and yes
[02:46]	<crweb>	both of them
[02:47]	<johndesigner>	thats maddening
[02:47]	<crweb>	when they break into my garage and take my spider convertable, i'll shoot somebody
[02:47]	<nerochiaro>	snipers! hire snipers
[02:48]	<crweb>	i think they can tow for parking on the grass
[02:48]	<johndesigner>	heh, find where the driver lives and boot his car
[02:48]	<crweb>	but, i'm not the one parked on the grass
[02:49]	<johndesigner>	on your grass? or is that city property next to your driveway?
[02:49]	<crweb>	city ordanince
[02:49]	<crweb>	can't park in yards
[02:49]	<johndesigner>	city ordinace that you can't park on your own grass?
[02:50]	<crweb>	yeah. I like it actually
[02:50]	<johndesigner>	what if you are a redneck and are compelled to park on the grass by your DNA
[02:50]	<johndesigner>	any provision there?
[02:50]	<crweb>	when neighbors have parties, nobody parks in my yard
[02:50]	<johndesigner>	yeah, thats good
[02:50]	<crweb>	well, its hard to tow a car with no wheels
[02:50]	<crweb>	and on blocks
[02:51]	<johndesigner>	hmm, well, i am curious to hear what their explanation is for this nonsense
[02:51]	<crweb>	roommate is going to get himself arrested.. thats almost a given
[02:51]	<johndesigner>	heh, with the hood missing too
[02:54]	<crweb>	sweet
[02:54]	<crweb>	there he goes
[02:54]	* crweb  gets a quiet night of rest
[03:06]	<johndesigner>	whats the latest word on being able to plug in a usb wifi dongle to the OSD?
[03:07]	<johndesigner>	i saw the wifi bridge, but i have a dongle stiing here doing nothing
[03:08]	<crweb>	that is going to take real usb drivers
[03:08]	<johndesigner>	so that wont happen for some time then?
[03:08]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: the word the damn retailer where i ordered my dongle for testing kept lying to me about having it in stock. i ordered to another, should be here by monday
[03:08]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: which dongle do you have ?
[03:09]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i'm attempting with ln -s fs default
[03:09]	<johndesigner>	um lemm e get it just a sce
[03:10]	<johndesigner>	linksys 11b - model #wusb11v4
[03:11]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: i don't think it will work even after we put out the driver
[03:12]	<johndesigner>	i dont mind getting another one but had hoped to play with the streaming with this one (assuming it would be slower of course)
[03:12]	<johndesigner>	oh well
[03:12]	<crweb>	is yours nfs booting over the wifi bridge?
[03:13]	<crweb>	i can't get mine to do it. tftp times out and says can't find file
[03:13]	<crweb>	if i plug straight into ethernet, it works fine
[03:13]	<crweb>	i think something is killing my internal udp packets
[03:13]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: Asus 167g is the one that a guy got working for sure with the driver, you might want to try that. Joe is probably having Tim pick up some, i emailed him the models that should work. i'll forward that to you
[03:14]	<johndesigner>	great, thatks!
[03:25]	<johndesigner>	nerochiaro: splash screen - any chance of using .gif?
[03:27]	<johndesigner>	this white on black splash motif makes for nice looking, teeny .gif files
[03:27]	<nerochiaro>	johndesigner: gif might be easier
[03:33]	<johndesigner>	okay - i did an output test with just the word "power" and drop shadow - png 5kb - gif 2kb
[03:33]	<johndesigner>	thats looking good
[03:33]	<nerochiaro>	cool
[03:34]	<nerochiaro>	i'm not up to speed, but aren't these pesky licensing problems with GIF, or was that a problem of the past and that crap expired ?
[03:34]	<johndesigner>	no idea
[03:35]	<johndesigner>	i only read some of that on on wikipedia
[03:35]	<johndesigner>	but dont know the result
[04:01]	<crweb>	yes
[04:01]	<crweb>	but png is much better anyway
[04:01]	<crweb>	the patent has expired
[04:02]	<xcasex>	johndesigner, actually, go with png. and if you want to see filesize improvements, use pngcrush
[04:04]	<johndesigner>	xcasex: thanks, I'll try the pngcrush
[04:07]	<nerochiaro>	xcasex: on the other hand, gif reading is much simpler than png reading
[04:07]	<nerochiaro>	xcasex: smaller lib etc
[04:08]	<xcasex>	schmemantics.
[04:08]	<nerochiaro>	what ?
[04:08]	<xcasex>	i'm interested in png adoption due to patent unencumberment, not technical :)
[04:09]	<xcasex>	so, since i can save/export to virtually any format i'm not too interested in the technical details
[04:10]	<nerochiaro>	xcasex: but we need to care about technial details, unfortunately :)
[04:10]	<xcasex>	this is why i love being the designer and not the programmer :)
[04:11]	<johndesigner>	heh, well, the technical constaints are didctaing a good portion of the visual ddesign atm
[04:11]	<johndesigner>	dictating that is
[04:13]	<johndesigner>	this front is imporving by the day however
[04:14]	<johndesigner>	elegance and nuance are further down the line
[04:14]	<nerochiaro>	i agree with both
[04:14]	<turran>	hi all
[04:14]	<johndesigner>	hello
[04:15]	<turran>	nerochiaro, on r lua + kepler did you strip out somehting?
[04:16]	<turran>	r/your
[04:17]	<nerochiaro>	turran:lua was build with a patch to use floats only when absolutely necessary. and kepler had to be reshuffled a bit, there were modules i took from more recent distributions than the one that was out at the time. and i build only the base components
[04:20]	<turran>	nerochiaro, ok, im having problems with it, as i need the session module, but honestly i dont have any idea on how to add it, i merge the config.lua with a version which works, but the session module is giving me errors
[04:22]	<nerochiaro>	turran: i can help you, but not right now i need to dust off the keper build stuff and i'm doing other things now.
[04:22]	<nerochiaro>	turran: however
[04:22]	<nerochiaro>	turran: did you check my kepler build script yet ?
[04:23]	<turran>	yep, i installed it on the neuros
[04:23]	<turran>	it is working good, but the session module of cgilua isnt activated
[04:23]	<nerochiaro>	turran: the build-kepler, not install-kepler
[04:24]	<turran>	:P looks like i didnt
[04:26]	<nerochiaro>	turran: especially, check in the kepler makefile what "make core" does. see if it builds the session or not
[04:26]	<nerochiaro>	turran: you need scratchbox to do that tho
[04:27]	<nerochiaro>	turran: to build at least. you can check the makefile anyway after it patches it
[04:28]	<nerochiaro>	turran: check also the various diff files i have here: svn.neurosaudio.com , they show how to fix sime problems that new modules might give you
[04:29]	<turran>	nerochiaro, ok thanks for the info, im checking now, btw kepler already has an armeb version compiled (debian package), isnt it good enough?
[04:29]	<nerochiaro>	turran: maybe, but until we try we don't know
[04:29]	<turran>	nerochiaro, ok =)
[04:30]	<nerochiaro>	turran: and if we gonna put it in the offical distribution (which i'm not sure will ever happen) then we need to have the source too
[04:31]	<turran>	nerochiaro, true.
[04:31]	<nerochiaro>	is the session a separate module ? isn't it part of the kepler core ?
[04:31]	<nerochiaro>	cgilua, i mean
[04:35]	<turran>	yes, it is part
[04:35]	<turran>	but there's no "require session" anywhere
[04:35]	<turran>	if i included as in other config.lua i have
[04:35]	<turran>	gives me some lua errors
[04:36]	<turran>	didnt go any further
[04:37]	<nerochiaro>	turran: doesn't that calculator example (or the other one) that gets installed with kepler use sessions ? it worked for me
[04:49]	<turran>	no, none of the examples use cgilua.session but sajax
[04:50]	<nerochiaro>	there is the basic one which seems to do some cookie stuff... isn't that sessions ?
[04:51]	<turran>	nerochiaro, it uses the cgilua.cookies
[04:51]	<nerochiaro>	turran: ah, i see
[04:51]	<nerochiaro>	turran: can you try pasting the errors you get with sessions ?
[04:55]	<turran>	ok, in a few minutes, kind of busy now
[04:59]	<nerochiaro>	turran: of course
[05:01]	<johndesigner>	time to go later all
[05:42]	<Joe_Born>	hi everybody
[05:42]	<nerochiaro>	hey Joe_Born
[05:42]	<daurn>	hi dr born
[05:43]	<hellwolf>	hi
[05:45]	* Joe_Born  checks pockets and confirms that he made it safely on the train without getting robbed
[05:45]	<nerochiaro>	Joe_Born: you on the train from the airport ?
[05:47]	<Joe_Born>	no, I'm at the hotel now.
[05:47]	<nerochiaro>	seen the station ?
[05:47]	<nerochiaro>	the bikes outside