[00:21]	<srobertson>	crweb: was it you who suggested the switch to UTC?
[00:21]	<crweb>	heh, yeah
[00:23]	<srobertson>	i'm trying it... it's odd to say 'it's five, so i have four hours before going to bed at 9, and my alarm's set for 12 so I can be up in time for my morning appointment'
[00:24]	<srobertson>	but neat idea, i might stick with it
[00:24]	<crweb>	its easier to convert to local time, than figure out where everyone else is from local time to utc to other time
[00:24]	* srobertson  never had to subtract by four so often
[01:21]	<daurn>	hi
[01:27]	<daurn>	hey all
[01:27]	<daurn>	can someone compile wavpack for the OSD for me?
[01:45]	<crweb>	wavpack?
[01:49]	<daurn>	www.wavpack.com
[01:49]	<daurn>	and: www.wavpack.com
[01:53]	<may1937>	jesus, i just saw what could possibly be the worst punk band ever
[02:33]	<daurn>	crweb: could you compile those for me?
[12:02]	<sorune>	daurn: i have compiled wvfilter and tinypack, do you still need them?
[12:05]	<sorune>	question: How does one play an audio file from the command line on the OSD?
[12:06]	<nerochiaro>	sorune: one doesn't, unless writes a cmd line app that does that, talking to nmsd
[12:07]	<sorune>	nerochiaro: ok
[12:08]	<sorune>	nerochiaro: is there a particular format nmsd needs?
[12:08]	<nerochiaro>	sorune: format of what ?
[12:08]	<sorune>	nerochiaro: as in wav/flac/ogg/mp3/etc...
[12:09]	<nerochiaro>	mp3 wav and wma i think, though we will hopefully switch to xmms2 sometimes in the hopefully near future
[12:10]	<sorune>	will that give us a command-line usage?
[12:11]	<sorune>	basically, i'm asking if writing a command-line wrapper to nmsd is pointless
[12:12]	<nerochiaro>	sorune: well, it's not pointless as for video you still need that
[12:17]	<progeny>	hi
[12:25]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: you there ?
[12:25]	<nerochiaro>	progeny: hi
[12:25]	<nerochiaro>	may1937: you ?
[12:25]	<xcasex>	media.movies.ign.com O_O
[12:27]	<crweb>	i'm here
[12:28]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: the build helper weirdness continues. Gao tried it with a fresh checkout and me too, Gao worked, mine din't
[12:29]	<crweb>	he uses redhat
[12:29]	<crweb>	?
[12:29]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: fedora, yes. i think it's different versions of make
[12:29]	<crweb>	i do aswell
[12:30]	<crweb>	or...
[12:30]	<sorune>	nerociaro: Maybe the test_decoder routine in Neuros-Cooler/src/demos/test-codec.c is what I want.
[12:31]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i think i fixed it
[12:32]	<nerochiaro>	xcasex: some if the sfx looks like the commercial from a citroen car from some time ago, only a bit better
[12:32]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: remember a long time ago, when I made a big deal about the build system needing to use #!/bin/bash if it required bash, not /bin/sh
[12:32]	<nerochiaro>	sorune: i didn't look at it, but seems one of these examples did what you need
[12:32]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: ah, yes
[12:33]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: sudo rm /bin/sh
[12:33]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: so they changed it after dapper
[12:33]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: that's it
[12:33]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh
[12:33]	<sorune>	nerochiaro: yeah, i think that's it... just gotta figure out how to build it
[12:33]	<crweb>	i made a big deal out of it back then so that _THIS_ wouldn't happen
[12:34]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: and it happened again and we wasted a day on it both.
[12:34]	<crweb>	maybe
[12:34]	<crweb>	its still building
[12:34]	<nerochiaro>	i'll try
[12:34]	<crweb>	i seem to remember it not building the rootfs and thats how i found it last time
[12:34]	<xcasex>	nerochiaro, neiall is the AD iirc :D
[12:35]	<nerochiaro>	xcasex: neiall ?
[12:36]	<nerochiaro>	sorune: good
[12:36]	<xcasex>	nerochiaro, bloomkamp, the guy that did the citroen commercial :D
[12:37]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i did what you did with bash and didn't work
[12:37]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: in the sense the error in the boot loader is still there
[12:37]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: which i guess it's a sign it's still broken
[12:37]	<crweb>	but the dev nodes?
[12:37]	<nerochiaro>	it's not to that point yet
[12:37]	<nerochiaro>	but i assumed they're connected
[12:38]	<crweb>	i don't think they are
[12:38]	<crweb>	i was wrong about make exiting
[12:38]	<nerochiaro>	it's building. we'll see
[12:38]	<crweb>	bootloader linux rootfs busybos
[12:38]	<crweb>	even though bootloader fails, it still builds the kernel
[12:38]	<nerochiaro>	ok
[12:38]	<may1937>	hey dudes
[12:38]	<nerochiaro>	and probably the release script in extra apps gets it right
[12:39]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: so, bootloader is a different problem
[12:39]	<nerochiaro>	may1937: crweb: what about scooting to the council of elders channel and let's roll some SoC stuff ?
[12:39]	<crweb>	maybe
[12:39]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: time to finish the build and we'll see
[12:39]	<neuros-mentors>	dang it
[12:39]	<nerochiaro>	wrong move man
[12:40]	<crweb>	fixed
[12:40]	<crweb>	i knew i could figure that one out
[12:40]	<crweb>	i lost 2 days to that
[12:40]	<crweb>	... again...
[12:41]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: if they had fixed it correctly like i asked and suggested...
[12:41]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: "those who don't learn from the past, are cursed to live it again" or something like that, i keep forget that quote
[12:42]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: give gao a stern stare for me...
[12:42]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i was thinking more a kick in the arse ;) but let's go with the stare :)
[12:42]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: it works on my desktop that i took home cause i chnaged /bin/sh 6-8 months ago
[12:42]	<nerochiaro>	i'll wait for end of build, then we'll call it case closed
[12:43]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: we should have followed derobert's guide... i put notes in there...
[12:43]	<crweb>	mine built
[12:43]	<srobertson>	i have to go pretty soon (10min)... anything SoC-related that I should stick around for?
[12:43]	<nerochiaro>	right, but better to have the script itself fixed. it it's an erro, it's an error
[12:43]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: don't think so
[12:43]	<nerochiaro>	for now
[12:44]	<srobertson>	nerochiaro: ok, thx; i'll leave xchat on and check the logs soon
[12:46]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: if you want to close it, i don't think we'll announce anything
[12:55]	<may1937>	tell me again about the rabbits, srobertson
[12:56]	<may1937>	err, i mean, how upnp supports ipod integration?
[12:56]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: it seems to have built correctly
[12:56]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: sending patch and stern look in Gao's way
[12:57]	<may1937>	you should attach a photo of crweb looking stern
[12:58]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: feel free to email me one
[13:30]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: the patch is massive
[13:30]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i will try to find them all
[13:30]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: what ?
[13:30]	<nerochiaro>	sh ?
[13:30]	<crweb>	yeah
[13:31]	<crweb>	guess i could use grep
[13:31]	<crweb>	heh....
[13:31]	* crweb  is out
[13:32]	<nerochiaro>	ok
[13:33]	<crweb>	its only 300 or so files
[13:33]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: the patch ?
[13:33]	<crweb>	yeah
[13:33]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: are you sure they all need to use bash ?
[13:33]	<nerochiaro>	some might not
[13:34]	<crweb>	well, considering someone might try to use /bin/sh as tsh
[13:34]	<crweb>	i think so yes
[13:34]	<crweb>	if it requires bash, it should say bash. not the variable /bin/sh
[13:34]	<nerochiaro>	well, ok, but are they all neuros scripts ?
[13:34]	<crweb>	mm.. good point.
[13:35]	<crweb>	these are the bsp's scripts
[13:35]	<crweb>	i will think on this issue
[13:35]	<nerochiaro>	i say we need to do that just for neuros scripts. i won't go touching the ones from upstream
[13:35]	<crweb>	yeah.. stupid upstream
[14:01]	<srobertson>	may1937: it's not upnp, it's generalization done in support of upnp
[14:02]	<srobertson>	the upnp guy should ideally design an effective generic interface for browsing media
[14:02]	<srobertson>	or was that a serious question?
[14:03]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: i'm about to go out, but it was serious
[14:03]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: i think based on something he thought you said about it in the past (tho i can't speak for him)
[14:03]	<srobertson>	okay. thanks
[14:04]	<srobertson>	damn focus-stealing prevention
[14:06]	<nerochiaro>	srobertson: or the pretty red orbs
[14:07]	<srobertson>	indeeeeeeed
[15:56]	* zzyQ  is away: eZzzz
[20:18]	<daurn>	sorune: yes please
[20:19]	<daurn>	nerochiaro: is there anything you can pipe pcm data to?
[20:22]	<Emmett>	UNDERPANTS.
[20:44]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i can't make it fail now...
[21:57]	<crweb>	any cooks or chinese in here?
[21:58]	<hellwolf>	:D I'm chinese but not cooks
[21:59]	<crweb>	well.. I have this problem where, no matter what i do, when i add rice to my stir fry, it clumps together instead of being like rice from chinese places
[22:00]	<crweb>	gets really gewy
[22:00]	<daurn>	crweb: destarch it?
[22:00]	<crweb>	whats that mean?
[22:01]	<daurn>	but, i don't
[22:01]	<crweb>	its more like a paste than rice
[22:01]	<daurn>	ok
[22:01]	<daurn>	crweb: put rice in a bowl of cold water
[22:01]	<daurn>	and let it sit for 10 mins
[22:01]	<daurn>	then run water through it for a while
[22:01]	<hellwolf>	I agree
[22:01]	<daurn>	- that should remove much of the starch
[22:02]	<daurn>	in the long term, buy better rice
[22:02]	<crweb>	then cook it like normal?
[22:02]	<daurn>	yeah
[22:03]	<daurn>	Do you use oil?
[22:03]	<crweb>	when frying yes
[22:03]	<daurn>	how do you cook your rice?
[22:03]	<crweb>	absorption
[22:03]	<daurn>	just put it in the pan?
[22:03]	<hellwolf>	crweb, I believe you've done better than me. :shame:
[22:03]	<gl2tosl2>	crweb: are you trying to make fried rice?
[22:03]	<daurn>	stove, frypan, microwave?
[22:04]	<crweb>	i have a rice machine
[22:04]	<gl2tosl2>	you know that you start with already cooked rice right?
[22:04]	<crweb>	gl2tosl2: yes, hince that its mushy before i fry it ;)
[22:04]	<daurn>	gl2tosl2: 3/4 cooked
[22:04]	<daurn>	crweb: don't use the rice machine :P
[22:04]	<gl2tosl2>	well, it's supposed to be cooked and cooled off
[22:04]	<crweb>	i tried day old, it wasn't much better
[22:05]	<crweb>	maybe i'm cooking it to long too
[22:05]	<gl2tosl2>	daurn: that may be optimal, but we always just use left over rice
[22:06]	<daurn>	crweb: do you have a microwave safe plastic container? - bout 6cm radius, 10cm tall?
[22:06]	<daurn>	can be taller
[22:06]	<crweb>	actully, i think it is the starch problem
[22:06]	<daurn>	(with lid with holes)
[22:06]	<crweb>	because as it is cooking the pot becomes full of bubbles
[22:07]	<crweb>	the rice itself is well defined
[22:07]	<gl2tosl2>	hold on...what is your order of operations here.
[22:07]	<crweb>	but it just clumps together
[22:07]	<crweb>	gl2tosl2: the problem is during the cooking of the rice
[22:07]	<gl2tosl2>	on it's own?
[22:07]	<gl2tosl2>	it get's mushy?
[22:07]	<crweb>	yes
[22:08]	<gl2tosl2>	are you cooking it too long or using too much water?
[22:08]	<crweb>	the rice isn't mushy, it clumps together like a paste
[22:08]	<crweb>	all the water gets absorbed
[22:08]	<gl2tosl2>	what is your water to rice ratio?
[22:08]	<gl2tosl2>	and what kind of rice are you using?
[22:08]	<crweb>	2 cups rice, 3 cups water
[22:08]	<gl2tosl2>	that's a lotta rice :)
[22:08]	<daurn>	crweb: 1, you're cooking the rice too much, 2, use less water, 3, you're using a inferior brand of rice, 4, drop the rice cooker,
[22:09]	<daurn>	that all
[22:09]	<crweb>	k
[22:09]	<daurn>	what sort of rice is it?
[22:09]	<crweb>	not sure
[22:09]	<daurn>	i use 1:2 rice:water
[22:09]	<gl2tosl2>	rice cookers: lots of variation between brands/models
[22:09]	<crweb>	not brown
[22:09]	<gl2tosl2>	yeah, 2 water to 1 rice is what I usually use
[22:09]	<crweb>	well, my korean friend has the same rice cooker and loves it
[22:09]	<daurn>	medium or long grain?
[22:09]	<crweb>	aparently, the instructions in the booklet are wrong
[22:09]	<crweb>	medium
[22:10]	<gl2tosl2>	being a stats nerd
[22:10]	<gl2tosl2>	I am thinking about the interactions here.
[22:10]	<gl2tosl2>	most importantly the interaction between rice variety and water
[22:10]	<crweb>	ha
[22:10]	<crweb>	my rice cooker is on wikipedia
[22:10]	<gl2tosl2>	linky?
[22:10]	<crweb>	en.wikipedia.org
[22:10]	<crweb>	"Cheap electric rice cooker after cooking"
[22:11]	<gl2tosl2>	that looks like my rice cooker
[22:11]	<gl2tosl2>	which we use about half the time
[22:11]	<gl2tosl2>	but it tends to burn the rice if you aren't paying attention
[22:11]	<daurn>	why the hell do you guys use rice cookers
[22:11]	<gl2tosl2>	which kinda nullifies the purpose of having one
[22:11]	<gl2tosl2>	cause it's easy
[22:12]	<crweb>	poor in rice, pour in water, leave
[22:12]	<gl2tosl2>	and I'm not so gourmet when I cook for myself, at least with rice
[22:12]	<crweb>	but mine startch bubbles start trying to flow out the air hole
[22:12]	<daurn>	all i do: put 1 cup rice in, 2 cup water in, microwave 8 minutes, stir, microwave 6 minutes
[22:12]	<crweb>	within 5 minutes
[22:12]	<gl2tosl2>	try cooking it on the stove, and figure out what kinda rice you have.
[22:13]	<crweb>	let me go look real quick
[22:13]	<gl2tosl2>	what kind of rice do you have?
[22:13]	<gl2tosl2>	not brown....possibly long or short grain?
[22:13]	<daurn>	[13:09:23] <crweb> medium
[22:13]	<gl2tosl2>	okay
[22:13]	<gl2tosl2>	so what kind is it?
[22:13]	<crweb>	Mahatma, Extra long grain enriched rice
[22:13]	* daurn  watches as he comes back and says he's using aborio rice ;)
[22:14]	<daurn>	long grain needs to be rinsed before use 90% of the time
[22:14]	<crweb>	bag says do not rinse
[22:14]	<gl2tosl2>	does the bag suggest a water to rice ratio?
[22:15]	<crweb>	oh sorry
[22:15]	<crweb>	it was 2:1
[22:15]	<crweb>	2 cups water, 1 cup rice
[22:15]	<gl2tosl2>	which was? the one you have been using or the one the bag suggests?
[22:15]	<crweb>	i used 2 cups rice, 3 cups water
[22:16]	<crweb>	the rice cooker has the markers on it
[22:16]	<crweb>	if you put two cups of rice, fill to 3 mark
[22:16]	<crweb>	but i measured and it was like 3.25 cups
[22:16]	<gl2tosl2>	I can't vouch for your rice cooker
[22:17]	<gl2tosl2>	:)
[22:17]	<crweb>	well, i remember the first time i did this and i actually measured
[22:17]	<daurn>	crweb: try the lazy mans method
[22:17]	<daurn>	put in however much rice you want
[22:17]	<gl2tosl2>	order out?
[22:17]	<daurn>	put water up to your thumb in water
[22:18]	<daurn>	- put your thumb on top of the rice
[22:18]	<daurn>	put water in up to the 1st knuckle
[22:18]	<crweb>	ok. let me go try the presoak method
[22:19]	<crweb>	i'll be back
[22:20]	<daurn>	how long does the rice cooker take to finish?
[22:20]	<daurn>	gl2tosl2: you have the same cooker?
[22:20]	<crweb>	about 20 min
[22:20]	<crweb>	with cooldown time
[22:21]	<daurn>	haha
[22:21]	<daurn>	use my method for cookijg
[22:21]	<gl2tosl2>	no, mine looks like the cheap rice cooker further down the page
[22:21]	<gl2tosl2>	it is in fact a cheap rice cooker
[22:22]	<daurn>	btw
[22:22]	<daurn>	i use medium grain rice most of the time
[22:24]	<daurn>	calrose
[22:24]	<daurn>	- fairly common
[22:32]	<gl2tosl2>	we get really big bags of basmati
[22:32]	<gl2tosl2>	and also smaller bags of brown or wild varieties
[22:40]	<sorune>	anybody know why nmsd wouldn't ack a play command?
[22:40]	<crweb>	ok, rinsed, soaked, and cooking
[22:41]	<crweb>	the water was extremely cloudy
[22:41]	<daurn>	ok
[22:41]	<daurn>	thats all the sticky stuff
[22:41]	<daurn>	its in the water now
[22:41]	<crweb>	ok
[22:41]	<daurn>	rice shouldn't stick as much
[22:41]	<crweb>	excellent
[22:42]	<crweb>	my roommates starting to think i'm a little strange
[22:42]	<crweb>	just finished off a 5lb bag of rice today
[22:42]	<gl2tosl2>	are they right?
[22:42]	<crweb>	well.. i get stuck
[22:42]	<crweb>	keep doing something until its right
[22:42]	<gl2tosl2>	like in the furnace?
[22:42]	<daurn>	you cooked 2kg of rice today?
[22:42]	<crweb>	i've been cooking rice for the past... we'll say few hours
[22:43]	<daurn>	if this time doesnh't work
[22:43]	<daurn>	use my method of cooking
[22:43]	<gl2tosl2>	order out?
[22:43]	<crweb>	gl2tosl2: i can do this
[22:43]	<crweb>	i actually cook very well
[22:43]	<gl2tosl2>	I wouldn't of made it this far without food of some kind
[22:43]	<crweb>	i had food
[22:43]	<gl2tosl2>	mmmmm, crweb stew
[22:44]	<crweb>	i made lasagna
[22:44]	<Johndesigner>	this is making me hungry
[22:44]	<daurn>	i figured out lyrics to blinded by the light last night
[22:44]	<daurn>	been singing them wrong for years
[22:44]	<Johndesigner>	daurn: afternoon delight?
[22:44]	<gl2tosl2>	sky rockets in flight?
[22:45]	<daurn>	real lyrics: blinded by the light, revved up like a deuce, anotehr runner in the night
[22:45]	<daurn>	my lyrics: friday, friday night, wrapped up like a douche, another rubber in the night
[22:45]	<Johndesigner>	heh sounds plausible enough
[22:45]	<Johndesigner>	i like your version better
[22:46]	<sorune>	me too
[22:46]	<crweb>	damnit
[22:46]	<crweb>	sent in a patch that didn't fix the problem
[22:46]	<crweb>	now i look retarded
[22:46]	<gl2tosl2>	oh, I thought it was news about the rice
[22:47]	* Johndesigner  wonders how crweb means 'now'
[22:47]	<crweb>	:/
[22:47]	<crweb>	bring it on picture boy
[22:47]	<Johndesigner>	lol
[22:48]	<Johndesigner>	..|..
[22:48]	<gl2tosl2>	ah, this might not be the best time, crweb
[22:48]	<Johndesigner>	there's a picture for ya
[22:48]	<gl2tosl2>	you have been trying to cook rice for 5 hours
[22:50]	<crweb>	actually i started at 18:00 utc
[22:50]	<crweb>	right after the mentor soc meeting
[22:51]	<crweb>	the rice isn't bubbling up as much as it was before
[22:51]	<daurn>	is there anywhere i can pipe pcm data to?
[22:51]	<crweb>	i could name a few places... they might not be enjoyable though..
[22:51]	<crweb>	def. not the desired results
[22:51]	<gl2tosl2>	crweb: I'm just saying, it's not your moment.
[22:52]	<crweb>	gl2tosl2: just got to get this right. Having people over sometime this week
[22:52]	<crweb>	i'm very well known for my dinner parties
[22:52]	<crweb>	just never done a chinese night
[22:54]	<crweb>	what is $@ in make files?
[22:57]	<daurn>	is there anywhere i can pipe pcm data to?
[22:57]	<sorune>	crweb: target name
[23:02]	<gl2tosl2>	meh, integration
[23:02]	<gl2tosl2>	who needs it
[23:03]	<sorune>	do you have to do anything special to use nmsd?
[23:03]	<daurn>	mathamaticians?
[23:04]	<gl2tosl2>	nah, they don't need it
[23:10]	<crweb>	well, the rice was better
[23:11]	<crweb>	the top layer was excellent, bottom mushy
[23:11]	<crweb>	cooked to long?
[23:11]	<gl2tosl2>	probably
[23:12]	<sorune>	well, in the microwave, mushy usually means not long enough
[23:12]	<crweb>	oh well.. its 4:12, got to go to bed in a few hours. might aswell do something more useful
[23:12]	<gl2tosl2>	integration?
[23:15]	<crweb>	integration?
[23:15]	<gl2tosl2>	more useful than cooking rice?
[23:16]	<crweb>	integration of what?
[23:17]	<gl2tosl2>	ah, a really complicated function to find a posterior mean
[23:18]	<crweb>	maybe theres a language barrier, cause I'm not getting it...
[23:19]	<sorune>	maybe you should talk to darn, he might have a song about posteriors
[23:19]	<sorune>	crweb: gl2tosl2 would like help with his math homework
[23:19]	<crweb>	sorune: thanks btw
[23:19]	<crweb>	hah
[23:19]	<crweb>	dude, I'm the wrong person to ask
[23:19]	<crweb>	i'm getting ready to fail out cause of math
[23:20]	<crweb>	its more so not caring.. than the actual math.. but still
[23:20]	<gl2tosl2>	right, I wasn't really looking for help so much as whining about it
[23:21]	<crweb>	speaking of which... i should really study
[23:21]	<gl2tosl2>	honestly though, they give us problems that no-one can reasonably expect us to work out without a lot of help
[23:21]	<crweb>	limits of infinite sequences..
[23:21]	<gl2tosl2>	you need help?
[23:21]	<gl2tosl2>	I'm okay with those....
[23:21]	<crweb>	no, i need a fucking maricle
[23:21]	<gl2tosl2>	oh, can't help you with that.
[23:22]	<crweb>	or.. anti depressents
[23:22]	<sorune>	crweb: thanks for what?
[23:22]	<crweb>	sorune: make help
[23:22]	<sorune>