| [00:01] | <nerochiaro> | risin: from a brief look at the log, it seems you'r edoing fun stuff, what is that ? |
| [00:05] | <risin> | nerochiaro, I am just building an RCP server, which runs on the OSD and accepts connections from clients through TCP/IP. |
| [00:06] | <nerochiaro> | and then drives other apps ? |
| [00:07] | <risin> | the file ip (dir browsing, upload download) is self-contained |
| [00:07] | <risin> | picture browsing uses some Neuro-Cool libs and media playing uses NMS. |
| [00:08] | <nerochiaro> | ok. you just use raw sockets for IPC ? |
| [00:08] | <risin> | On the client side, there is a C++ SDK as well as .NET one, which exposes functions like : Connect(), PutFile(), GetFile(), etc. |
| [00:09] | <nerochiaro> | you wrote that too or are you re-using it ? |
| [00:09] | <risin> | I wrote that. |
| [00:10] | <risin> | I am just tring to combine everything into one entry point (one server listening on a single port), and therefore elimating the need to move media files through different protocols. |
| [00:12] | <nerochiaro> | so you just "stream" the files thru that RPC server and pipe them to the right app for decoding ? (media to nmsd, pics to picture viewer etc ?) |
| [00:14] | <risin> | at the moment, the files get screamed to disk, then another command is sent to play them. It's more efficient that way since the server can cache data. This is also handy if the user wants to use the remote to browse. The same functionality is also available from TCP/IP. |
| [00:16] | <risin> | I had originally planned to bypass nms when playing audio/video, but I am still debating this. |
| [00:23] | <nerochiaro> | risin: canche in memory ? |
| [00:23] | <nerochiaro> | cache |
| [00:25] | <risin> | yes, definitely. |
| [00:25] | <nerochiaro> | is the memory we have enough ? large video files will never fit |
| [00:27] | <risin> | that will probably ony be used when browsing images. |
| [00:28] | <risin> | the protocol used for data transmission has built-in cashing (write-delay, and read-forward), so that will speed things up a little. |
| [00:30] | <nerochiaro> | looks like nice stuff. seems similar to what upnp-av should do when we get around implementing it |
| [00:32] | <risin> | is upnp tied to Windows or HTTP? |
| [00:32] | <cr-tablet> | risin: no, upnp is its own thing |
| [00:32] | <nerochiaro> | it's not windows only |
| [00:32] | <nerochiaro> | but it uses http i think |
| [00:33] | <cr-tablet> | it can use whatever |
| [00:33] | <risin> | I have a player that does (Roku). |
| [00:35] | <cr-tablet> | the http part of it is more for control interfaces and stuff. It does a lot of discovery, etc |
| [00:35] | <cr-tablet> | still learning about it too |
| [00:35] | <risin> | I think I read the rfc for this a while back. |
| [00:36] | <risin> | so, the protocol can be just used to point the client to an internal website which has controls from pause, play, etc. |
| [00:36] | <risin> | ...at least, that's how the Roku player is doing it. |
| [00:36] | <cr-tablet> | en.wikipedia.org |
| [00:36] | <cr-tablet> | it can actually be used to control |
| [00:37] | <cr-tablet> | not just provide link to interface |
| [00:38] | <risin> | yeah, but since most client PC's already have web browsers, it's easier to expose the functionality through HTTP. |
| [00:39] | <cr-tablet> | it would let windows media player interface with your top box tv unit and allow it to control like it was the IR remote |
| [00:39] | <cr-tablet> | for instance |
| [00:40] | <cr-tablet> | night |
| [00:40] | <risin> | night |
| [02:52] | <droptest> | this is some bogus bullshit |
| [03:18] | <onglipo> | is there a download site for NSM software |
| [03:19] | <nerochiaro> | onglipo: the sync manager for the old N2 ? |
| [03:19] | <onglipo> | ya |
| [03:20] | <nerochiaro> | i think you should either use NDBM or sorune, the default sync manager was quite bad and isn't maintained anymore |
| [03:20] | <onglipo> | took out my old n2 after a 6 month hybernation and now it doesnt boot; and xp cant see the drive either |
| [03:20] | <nerochiaro> | the sync manager won't help you in that case |
| [03:20] | <onglipo> | was wondering if nsm might be able to see atleast the disk, so that i can get back the music files! |
| [03:20] | <nerochiaro> | no, if Xp can't see the disk, you're out of luck |
| [03:20] | <nerochiaro> | NSM sees it just as XP does |
| [03:21] | <nerochiaro> | already tried taking off the n2 brain and putting it back in ? |
| [03:21] | <onglipo> | it was working when i stored it for future; i recharged it overnight; backpack alone |
| [03:21] | <onglipo> | put the brain back |
| [03:21] | <onglipo> | tried all key combos (diags etc) |
| [03:21] | <onglipo> | no lucj |
| [03:21] | <onglipo> | no luck |
| [03:21] | <nerochiaro> | it just stays powered off ? |
| [03:22] | <onglipo> | when i connect the usb2 to the xp without brain, the led comes on, but xp doesnt see the disk |
| [03:22] | <onglipo> | ya stays powered off |
| [03:22] | <onglipo> | is it a brain issue? |
| [03:23] | <nerochiaro> | i fear more that your disk is gone. you don't happen to have the non-disk backpack too ? |
| [03:23] | <onglipo> | (can the backpack be seen as a disk without the brain)? |
| [03:23] | <onglipo> | no only one |
| [03:23] | <nerochiaro> | the disk can be seen without the brain. but you say it's not working that way, so i guess it's the hdd inside that's gone |
| [03:24] | <onglipo> | hd or the h/w inside ? |
| [03:24] | <nerochiaro> | i thought some power issue, but the light comes on, so i don't know. can you try the backpack alone while you keep the power cord on ? |
| [03:24] | <onglipo> | trying |
| [03:25] | <onglipo> | the charger led blinks when i plug in power. it stays lit when i plug in usb 2.0 |
| [03:26] | <onglipo> | xp doesnt see anything |
| [03:26] | <onglipo> | q: shouldnt the brain boot up and say bad disk or something |
| [03:26] | <nerochiaro> | probably. i never had a bad disk so i don't know |
| [03:28] | <nerochiaro> | can't really say what's wrong. not even sure if taking out the hdd from the backpack and putting it into your PC can do anything good. it's at least a good check to see if it's still alive somehow |
| [03:28] | <nerochiaro> | warranty is long gone anyway |
| [03:28] | <onglipo> | i am too far away from any warranty places |
| [03:28] | <onglipo> | so i dont mind trying that (i live in bangalore, india) |
| [03:29] | <onglipo> | anytips on how to open the backpack? |
| [03:29] | <nerochiaro> | you can't get a warranty repair anymore anyway. the N2 is well past end-of-life. no more official support from neuros |
| [03:29] | <nerochiaro> | onglipo: i think you need to find a torx screwdriver and use that to open it |
| [03:29] | <onglipo> | i see just 2 screws - correct? |
| [03:30] | <nerochiaro> | yes, i think so |
| [03:30] | <onglipo> | sides of the bottom t |
| [03:30] | <onglipo> | ok i'm going to brave this; thanx nerochiaro |
| [03:30] | <nerochiaro> | no problem. and good luck |
| [07:44] | <sorune> | nerochiaro: i don't think the backpack alone will work on the n2... at least it never did for me |
| [07:44] | <nerochiaro> | sorune: i was pretty sure it did |
| [07:45] | <sorune> | i just double checked on mine and it doesn't show up on the bus |
| [07:45] | <nerochiaro> | sorune: tried now. the OSD sees it |
| [07:45] | <nerochiaro> | no brain attached |
| [07:46] | <sorune> | wow, i must have a defective unit :) |
| [07:46] | <nerochiaro> | mystery! ;) |
| [07:50] | <sorune> | yeah, mine only shows up on the OSD if the brain is attached |
| [07:51] | <nerochiaro> | that's weird. i even tried with power cord detached and no brain, and osd saw it too |
| [07:58] | <sorune> | nerochiaro: so you guys are going to go the upnp-av route? |
| [07:58] | <nerochiaro> | sorune: it seems promising |
| [07:59] | <sorune> | has that work been started? |
| [07:59] | <nerochiaro> | it will initially be done as part of SoC |
| [08:01] | <sorune> | is vlc the only client for linux? |
| [08:01] | <nerochiaro> | i don't know |
| [09:42] | <onglipo> | NEROCHIARO! |
| [09:43] | <onglipo> | Managed to recover my N2 disk |
| [09:43] | <onglipo> | For all those people having the same issue, here's a simple break it open and copy off from the IDE drive solution |
| [09:44] | <onglipo> | my n2 died on me with 50GB of music |
| [09:44] | <onglipo> | opened the backpack, spent 12$ and got a IDE/USB 2.0 portable harddisk interface |
| [09:45] | <onglipo> | plugged in ; copied all the files to my xp 80gb disk - and sigh of relief on all that 3 years of music being dead |
| [09:46] | <onglipo> | You will need a torx screwdriver like nerochiaro suggested, to open the backpack |
| [11:11] | <pegasus> | hi all, |
| [11:12] | <pegasus> | We are trying to save some video in OSD |
| [11:13] | <pegasus> | We have realized that sometimes in the recorded video the image slowsdown or freezes for a while |
| [11:13] | <pegasus> | did anyone experienced a similar behaviour ? |
| [11:21] | <DeepB> | pegasus: me, it darks the movie a bit also |
| [11:23] | <pegasus> | DeepB: did you solve it ? |
| [11:32] | <dotslashlycos> | general question: in the most recent internal firmware (3.28-0.92) there is a "coming soon" section which advertises a youtube and flickr browswer coming in april of '07 - which is this mont. Based on what I have seen, that doesn't sound so realistic. Is this something I should be looking forward to later this month or is it just some nonsense that they threw in there. |
| [11:36] | <DeepB> | dotslashlycos: where is this "coming soon"? |
| [11:36] | <dotslashlycos> | deepb: its on the main menu |
| [11:37] | <dotslashlycos> | deepb: but its only on the internal firmware |
| [11:37] | <crweb> | dotslashlycos: internal firmware is not intended for customer use |
| [11:38] | <crweb> | dotslashlycos: it can and will say, and behave anyway it wants |
| [11:38] | <dotslashlycos> | crweb: yeah - i know i was just curious about progress of those projects - the youtube browser and whatnot |
| [11:38] | <crweb> | err, anything/anyway |
| [11:38] | <crweb> | dotslashlycos: if it isn't in the official firmware, i would disregard the info |
| [11:39] | <dotslashlycos> | crweb: alright - thanks |
| [11:39] | <crweb> | though, google summer of code has several flickr applicants ;) |
| [11:39] | <crweb> | and there is a youtube conversion/playing |
| [11:39] | <dotslashlycos> | crweb: yeah im pretty psyched about that - looking forward to some cool stuff |
| [11:40] | <dotslashlycos> | but no gui yet |
| [11:40] | <crweb> | dunno.. maybe so maybe not |
| [11:40] | <dotslashlycos> | alright - thanks for the info |
| [12:41] | <nerochiaro> | dotslashlycos: there are a couple of problems we need to get past to get youtube working. once that's solved, there are some cool ideas ready to be implemented for youtube browsing |
| [12:41] | <dotslashlycos> | nerochiaro: awesome |
| [12:42] | <dotslashlycos> | nerochiaro: sounds great - thanks for the update |
| [12:43] | <nerochiaro> | dotslashlycos: i'm not sure if April is realistic. i think we're gonna find out within the week |
| [12:43] | <dotslashlycos> | what kind of gui toolkit would these things be written in? |
| [12:44] | <nerochiaro> | for now the plan is to stick to cooler, neuros' homebrew toolkit based on nano-x |
| [12:45] | <dotslashlycos> | oh alright |
| [12:45] | <dotslashlycos> | i assume these apps will be independent of osdmain...? |
| [12:49] | <nerochiaro> | well, the idea is to split up the main monolithic app (osdmain) into several smaller apps, and then have a central desktop/window manager thingie that directs them all |
| [12:49] | <nerochiaro> | so they will be just more apps, yes |
| [12:53] | <crweb> | i think the world just may come to an end thisafter noon |
| [12:53] | <nerochiaro> | like your network ? |
| [12:53] | <crweb> | haha, had to switch pc's |
| [12:54] | <crweb> | but anyway. iTunes offers 256kbps DRM free tracks from EMI |
| [12:54] | <nerochiaro> | entire albums ? |
| [12:54] | <crweb> | yeah |
| [12:54] | <crweb> | its 30 cents to upgrade your previously owned tracks |
| [12:54] | <nerochiaro> | wow, that's sure a step to a better world. except they shouldn't have you pay more |
| [12:54] | <crweb> | and 1.30 for drm free 2x quality over the .99 |
| [12:55] | <nerochiaro> | what happened to VBR, by the way ? |
| [12:55] | <crweb> | it is vbr |
| [12:55] | <crweb> | you still have a "fixed point" of quality |
| [12:58] | <nerochiaro> | it's ABR then ? |
| [12:59] | <nerochiaro> | oh well, sure these news will make my dinner better ;) later |
| [13:00] | <crweb> | i thought vbr and abr are the same thing |
| [13:00] | <crweb> | i mean.. whats vbr if you can't set it to a quality value |
| [13:04] | <nerochiaro> | crweb: they are the same thing. however ABR means you try to allocate on average X kbps, while with various VBR profiles it doesn't care, bitrate can vary wildly in function of the music |
| [13:06] | <crweb> | sweet. music video's will become drm free but stay same price |
| [13:07] | <nerochiaro> | i've never really understood how can there possibly be a market for music videos |
| [16:24] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: around ? |
| [16:24] | <JoeBorn> | yep |
| [16:26] | <JoeBorn> | nerochiaro: still there? |
| [16:26] | <nerochiaro> | sure |
| [16:26] | <nerochiaro> | where in the world are you today ? |
| [16:26] | <JoeBorn> | Back in Chicago |
| [16:26] | <JoeBorn> | just got back a few hours ago. |
| [16:27] | <nerochiaro> | John and Michael are in Xiamen, instead ? |
| [16:27] | <JoeBorn> | yeah, I guess they just arrived there. |
| [16:27] | <JoeBorn> | Sorry I wasn't around for the Sat meeting, how'd it go? |
| [16:28] | <nerochiaro> | appearently there was none |
| [16:28] | <JoeBorn> | oh |
| [16:30] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: a couple of folks emailed you NDA requests, got them ? |
| [16:32] | <JoeBorn> | yeah, I got them. |
| [17:06] | <turran> | nerochiaro, JoeBorn: is it possible it ask for a NDA? |
| [17:09] | <turran> | split |
| [17:09] | <turran> | nerochiaro, did you get the msg? |
| [17:09] | <nerochiaro> | turran: yep |
| [17:09] | <nerochiaro> | turran: but it's JoeBorn who you should ask to |
| [17:09] | <turran> | ok =) |
| [17:09] | <turran> | im not online too much now, my laptop pass away :( |
| [17:09] | <turran> | JoeBorn, is it possible to ask for the NDA? |
| [17:11] | <JoeBorn> | yeah, just send me or nero an email |
| [17:11] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: send him, CC me |
| [17:11] | <turran> | great =) i will |
| [17:12] | <turran> | btw, how's the SoC going? |
| [17:14] | <nerochiaro> | bit bogged down, we can't get together to decide |
| [17:14] | <nerochiaro> | but we'll make it |
| [17:14] | <nerochiaro> | don't worry |
| [17:15] | <turran> | ok =) is that as im not online as usual, im a little missinformed |
| [17:16] | <nerochiaro> | don't worry. we'll announce on odnt once we pick the lucky few ;) |
| [17:40] | * crweb just lost another 400gig firewire drive | |
| [17:52] | <turran> | bye all |
| [19:24] | <risin> | Is there an example for the playlist format? |
| [19:46] | <cr-tablet> | 12Gigs worth of downloads for march on the dev vm |