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I'm trying to integrade the package manager to the OSD system now used, and will be along with a usable software repository. If it's ok, is there any chance to add it to svn? And is there any plan to the package manager stuff?

[07:02]

hellwolf: well, there is still doubt for what package manager proposal will be taken for SoC

[07:05]

That's ok, anyway, I'm doing it, and I'll release a example image of it. Just to tftp it and copy.b in u-boot.

[07:06]

American-Tech: there have been a couple internal revisions in the last days, so probably soon. but there are some critical bugs that we might need to solve before that.

[07:06]

hellwolf: uboot ?

[07:06]

hellwolf: you should not touch that

[07:07]

I said use uboot to copy the image to flash, sorry that I've no idea about upk.

[07:08]

Not to touch the uboot and kernel image

[07:09]

you need to build an upk package that has only rootfs image in it

[07:10]

Well, ok, hope that's not to difficult

[07:11]

no, it's pretty easy

[07:15]

build all normally with build-helper than go to neuros-bsp/images and run: packet_16M nh "Your Title" yourname.upk root.cramfs

[07:15]

<American-Tech>

Thanks nerochiaro

[09:02]

nerochiaro: you there?

[09:05]

JoeBorn: for a little, yes

[09:06]

it's nothing important, we can talk whenever.

[09:06]

sorry to catch you right at quitting time.

[09:07]

hey ner

[09:07]

JoeBorn: if it's not long, i'm ok even now

and jb

daurnimator: hey

whats new

JoeBorn: if it looks long, i'll tell you ;)

[09:07]

well, I think it's pretty long, I wanted to talk about x86 v DSP :)

[09:08]

JoeBorn: oh, ok, later or tomorrow then :)

[09:08]

i'm going outside now, then. later

[09:08]

cya

[09:08]

JoeBorn: whats new? ;)

[09:09]

daurnimator: the usual, you?

nothing much :P

hows the OSD?

is it on sale yet?

still gamma

o.o

when you getting it out ther?

should be very soon

how bout N#?

N3

JoeBorn?

I don't know to be honest.

[09:35]

how do i enable the passthrough on the OSD?

[09:36]

- i want to watch the stuff in the input

[09:42]

should happen automatically, back out all the way to the pass throiugh

past the main menu

too late now

anyway, back to N3

has there been any talk at all?

[10:15]

JoeBornio?

[11:47]

nerochiaro: you back?

[11:53]

JoeBorn: aye

[11:54]

JoeBorn: just read your email

[11:55]

<NC-17>

i dream of the n3 in my sleep

[11:58]

we all do, someday our collective will will warp reality and materialize it

[12:10]

or maybe someone will just produce an open PMP :)

[12:11]

JoshMalone: much easier

[12:12]

lol - maybe

[12:13]

neuros can distribute it.

[12:14]

we'll license jerusha duck to the community

[12:15]

* JoshMalone has fun booting linux on his intel macbook

[12:39]

<crweb>

i wouldn't mind and intel macbook

[12:40]

<crweb>

theres higher spec laptops for much less the price though

[12:46]

i would never buy one

[12:46]

this belongs to the office, reallyu

[12:46]

Any body can guide me regarding Summer of code

[12:46]

any mentors here

[12:47]

<crweb>

What do you need help with?

[12:51]

regarding gsoc project i have applied for ..

[12:53]

i have submitted for overnight transciders and want some pointers about dsp codecs and porting issues with arm , it wud be pf great help if somebody can guide me for start

[12:53]

transcoder *

[12:53]

<crweb>

tequila: google hasn't assigned us our slots so we do not know yet which and how many projects will be accepted

[12:54]

ok

[12:54]

and can u tell me how many applications plan 9 has received

[12:55]

<crweb>

we can only see our own Mentor organizations

[12:55]

<crweb>

what name did you submit under?

[12:55]

Naresh Kumar

[12:57]

sorry i was asking about neuros .. how many applications neuros has received ?

[12:57]

<crweb>

62

[12:59]

and number of expected students google will allow neuros to take

[12:59]

??

[13:03]

<crweb>

You'll know when we know :)

[13:04]

k

[13:04]

crewb : are u a mentor

[13:04]

<crweb>

i am

[13:06]

can u give me status of my application and other things that are needed from my side for making proposal better

[13:08]

<crweb>

i don't really know which information i should and shouldn't reveal. so to be on the safe side i think nerochiaro might be more suited for discussing individual appliactions

[13:19]

Ugo Riboni ?? r u here

[13:22]

<crweb>

tequila: he is not. If you make an account with freenode you can answer my private messages

[13:23]

<crweb>

/msg nickserv REGISTER

[13:23]

i did answered ur private messages ... i guess this freenode is not allowing me to send u private messages

[13:24]

<crweb>

tequila: correct

[13:24]

<crweb>

freenode makes us register to send messages

[13:29]

anyways .. is it true .. that u said in private message

[13:29]

<crweb>

yes

[13:30]

<crweb>

Check your appliaction comments.

[13:32]

api's for the codecs that run on the dsp core are provided

[13:32]

ups, nvm

[13:32]

<crweb>

i think its oops

[13:33]

nah, it's oops in dutch ;)

[13:33]

checked , So adding further inforamation about future tasks will not help or there is still some hope

[13:35]

<crweb>

tequila: pm

[13:36]

Ok

[13:36]

anyways thanks for information

[13:38]

But why did the menors didn't put a comment if they needed more out of proposal , i reveiwed it once and was willing to add further information, but due to exams time i wasn't able to give it proper time t the time of submitting it

[13:39]

anyways thanks crweb

[13:39]

<crweb>

tequila: because after the first changes, more information wasn't needed

[13:41]

<crweb>

the decision factor wasn't who had the most or least information

[13:42]

then what was it

[13:42]

background ??

[13:43]

<crweb>

it was an application process. Just like applying for a job

[13:44]

<crweb>

applications were reviewed and the ones chosen are found to be the best suited for the job.

[13:45]

<crweb>

if 30 people applied for the same project, then the "best" of the 30 was chosen

[13:45]

ok , can a student apply to neuros directly for summer internship kind of thing ??

[13:46]

<crweb>

Employment at Neuros goes through JoeBorn

[13:46]

what is JoeBorn

[13:46]

<crweb>

your best experience will come from working on open source projects, and involving youself in the community like the rest of us :)

[13:46]

<crweb>

tequila: the irc user JoeBorn

[13:47]

oops

[13:47]

ok

[13:48]

How can i start crweb ??

[13:49]

<crweb>

well.. I started by writing a init bootup script system for the OSD

[13:49]

<crweb>

now i do work on the samba server

[13:50]

<crweb>

I've been documenting the source code, cleaning up the svn tree..

[13:50]

<crweb>

I see something that needs to be done.. and I do it.

[13:50]

<crweb>

tequila: theres a mailing list with lots of discussion, open.neurostechnology.com for news and stuff

[13:51]

<crweb>

tinyurl.com - Is a good starting source of info

[13:51]

thanks

[13:52]

i'll try to be a part of Neiuros developer community

[13:52]

Neuros *

[13:52]

<crweb>

at some point you might need a OSD..

[13:52]

<crweb>

but, depending on what kind of stuff you do, maybe not

[13:53]

<crweb>

I don't actually use mine at all for development

[13:53]

ofcourse , but i wud love to have it for hacking

[13:53]

<crweb>

actually there around christmas one of my heaviest contribution times

[13:53]

<crweb>

i had lost my OSD for 3-4 weeks

[13:53]

<crweb>

i was cleaning and slid it into my pc case and forgot about it

[13:54]

<crweb>

heh.. good times..

[13:54]

yeah

[13:54]

<crweb>

right now i'm cleaning up the root filesystem structures.

[13:55]

cleaning up ??

[13:55]

<crweb>

its not all fun and joy.. but got to love the end results.

[13:55]

<crweb>

yeah, putting files in their correct places, getting rid of old stuff

[13:55]

similar to defragmenting

[13:56]

<crweb>

sure

[13:56]

<crweb>

"spring cleaning"

[13:56]

yeah , spring clearing is a better term ,

[13:57]

so , u are employed at Neuros or some where else

[13:57]

<crweb>

i hope to be employed one day.

[13:57]

<crweb>

but i'm a student/psychologist

[13:58]

student of psychology , or student by profession and part time psychologist

[13:58]

:)

[13:58]

<crweb>

right now.. more of the student profession type thing ;)

[13:59]

<crweb>

i was in a rock band for 5 years and got a late start

[13:59]

Developer + Psychologist + Rocker ... huh

[13:59]

deadly things coming together

[14:00]

<crweb>

keeps it fun

[14:01]

u a postgraduate studebt right ??

[14:02]

student *

[14:02]

<crweb>

i'm working on my undergrad of computer science right now

[14:02]

<crweb>

nothing but stupid mathmatics left :/

[14:07]

<crweb>

wiki.neurostechnology.com

[14:19]

<gl2tosl2|school>

stupid math eh?

[14:21]

<crweb>

yep. stupid math

[14:21]

<crweb>

i've already done everything programming/computer science that i can do

[14:21]

<crweb>

what do they expect me to learn from the math classes?

[14:21]

<gl2tosl2|school>

math?

[14:21]

<crweb>

for?

[14:21]

<gl2tosl2|school>

computer science

[14:21]

<gl2tosl2|school>

:)

[14:22]

<crweb>

which i'm already done with

[14:22]

<gl2tosl2|school>

what math do you have to take?

[14:22]

<crweb>

calc2, linear algerbra, calc based statistics, and intro to quatum physics

[14:22]

<crweb>

then i'm done

[14:23]

<gl2tosl2|school>

nice

[14:23]

<gl2tosl2|school>

well, that's all a pretty important foundation for computer science

[14:23]

<crweb>

which i'm already done with

[14:23]

<gl2tosl2|school>

although doing that after your advanced cs courses may be a little out of order

[14:24]

crweb: you need quantum physics for a cs degree?

[14:24]

<gl2tosl2|school>

probably they are lumping it in as a physics requirement

[14:24]

<gl2tosl2|school>

seems more relevant the closer we get to having quantum computers.....

[14:24]

hah, I needed a physical and biological science. Chem and Fungi: Friend or Foe

[14:25]

<crweb>

yeah, 2 of those are department of Computer Science, 2 are from the Department of Science

[14:25]

<gl2tosl2|school>

calc2....?

[14:25]

<crweb>

is CS

[14:25]

<gl2tosl2|school>

have you done multivariate stuff yet, or is that included in calc2?

[14:26]

<crweb>

thats in calc based statistics

[14:26]

<gl2tosl2|school>

you couldn't do much in calc based statistics without multivariate

[14:26]

<gl2tosl2|school>

I would expect it to be a pre-req

[14:27]

<gl2tosl2|school>

but, your university may vary

[14:28]

<crweb>

its actually called Math Stat in Eng & Science

[14:28]

<crweb>

and is the bane of all CS majors

[14:29]

<gl2tosl2|school>

:)

[14:29]

<gl2tosl2|school>

says the stats grad student

[14:29]

<crweb>

well, says that most of us don't graduate

[14:29]

<crweb>

we don't have the nicest math department in the US

[14:29]

<gl2tosl2|school>

that is unfortunate

[14:29]

<crweb>

none of them really speak english well

[14:30]

<gl2tosl2|school>

that is common

[14:30]

<crweb>

and there is a fail/drop out rate of 86%

[14:30]

<gl2tosl2|school>

for your department?

[14:30]

<crweb>

no, for math classes in general

[14:30]

<gl2tosl2|school>

ouch

[14:30]

<crweb>

sorry, fail/withdraw

[14:30]

<crweb>

most of CS drop outs are caused by the math classes though

[14:30]

<gl2tosl2|school>

oh, I see, 86% of students that enroll in a math class fail or withdraw from the class...

[14:30]

<crweb>

right

[14:31]

<crweb>

you'll go from a calc2 class with 40 people, then day after last day to withdraw you'll have 7

[14:31]

<gl2tosl2|school>

sounds a little rough for calc2....

[14:31]

<gl2tosl2|school>

upper division or lower division?

[14:32]

<crweb>

?

[14:33]

<gl2tosl2|school>

the calc2 class.

[14:33]

<crweb>

whats upper/lower div?

[14:34]

<gl2tosl2|school>

upper division junior/senior classes

[14:34]

<gl2tosl2|school>

lower division, freshman/sophmore classes

[14:34]

<gl2tosl2|school>

no?

[14:34]

<crweb>

ah, upper

[14:34]

<crweb>

what happens here is, to graduate most people go take their math classes at the community college next door. Then transfer them back.

[14:34]

<crweb>

but, I have to have my last 30 hours of classes at the university

[14:34]

<crweb>

and since these are my last 15

[14:35]

<crweb>

i'm stuck right here.

[14:36]

<crweb>

gl2tosl2 i'm non-traditional student. fresh/soph/junior/senior doesn't mean much to me

[14:36]

<crweb>

I've always been considered a senior

[14:36]

<gl2tosl2|school>

?

[14:37]

<crweb>

i transfered in

[14:37]

<gl2tosl2|school>

oh

[14:37]

<crweb>

i had enough generic credits mine has always said "senior"

[14:37]

<gl2tosl2|school>

oh

[14:37]

<gl2tosl2|school>

well, that typically gets you a nice registration time

[14:38]

<gl2tosl2|school>

that was really the only purpose of 'class' distinctions as far as I could tell in undergrad

[14:38]

<crweb>

more importantly, very nice parking

[14:38]

<gl2tosl2|school>

I've never had good parking

[14:38]

<crweb>

26k students, 4k parking spots

[14:38]

<gl2tosl2|school>

and you can get one?

[14:39]

<crweb>

we get parking lots

[14:39]

<crweb>

lots are color coded

[14:39]

<crweb>

seniors get red, which is most of the lots, where less than junior get the biggest lot, but its a long long way away

[14:40]

<crweb>

its a good 10-15 minute walk from freshmen lot to the first campus building

[14:44]

<gl2tosl2|school>

how are buses there?

[14:44]

<gl2tosl2|school>

or biking?

[14:44]

<crweb>

i've never used them. but they seem to hit every stop every 15minutes

[14:44]

<crweb>

and biking is pretty normal

[14:45]

<gl2tosl2|school>

where are you? how's the weather?

[14:45]

<crweb>

Southern Illinois

[14:45]

<gl2tosl2|school>

oh, so not that bad

[14:45]

<crweb>

its usually not to bad.

[14:45]

<crweb>

you almost have to bike sometimes though

[14:45]

<gl2tosl2|school>

bring the bike on the car and then haul in from the lot?

[14:46]

<gl2tosl2|school>

I see people do that

[14:46]

<crweb>

you could have a class 10 minutes after your last, but it be a 15-20 minute walk

[14:46]

<crweb>

yeah, pretty common

[14:46]

<gl2tosl2|school>

yup

[14:47]

<gl2tosl2|school>

davis was pretty similar to that, campus was so spread out that you would need a bike to make back to back classes on time

[14:47]

<crweb>

www.discoversil.com

[14:48]

<gl2tosl2|school>

you guys need some paddle boats!

[14:48]

<gl2tosl2|school>

that would be awesome

[14:48]

<crweb>

theres paddle boats

[14:48]

<crweb>

www.siu.edu

[14:48]

<crweb>

little better

[14:49]

<gl2tosl2|school>

looks like a nice campus

[14:49]

<crweb>

yeah, pretty sweet

[14:49]

<crweb>

very natural

<crweb>

<crweb>

<crweb>

thats our sister campus

[14:51]

<crweb>

30-40 minutes away i think

[14:51]

<crweb>

very small

[14:51]

<gl2tosl2|school>

one largish building...

[14:51]

<gl2tosl2|school>

my school is rather large.

[14:52]

<crweb>

heh.. i was just looking at a campus map

[14:52]

<gl2tosl2|school>

upload.wikimedia.org

[14:53]

<crweb>

it really needs to be updated.. cause, nothing looks right

[14:53]

<gl2tosl2|school>

then there is another chunk in saint paul, about 5 miles away

[14:53]

<gl2tosl2|school>

and the weisman art museum, people either love it or hate it.

[14:53]

<gl2tosl2|school>

upload.wikimedia.org

[14:54]

<crweb>

neat

[14:54]

<crweb>

i was just at UMN over xmas

[14:54]

<gl2tosl2|school>

sure

[14:54]

<crweb>

i like that big bridge

[14:55]

<gl2tosl2|school>

the one in the picture?

[14:55]

<gl2tosl2|school>

that's the washington ave bridge

[14:55]

<crweb>

university of minnesota right?

[14:55]

<gl2tosl2|school>

with a covered walkway

[14:55]

<gl2tosl2|school>

yeah

[14:55]

<crweb>

yeah, went on a ski trip with some girls from there.

[14:55]

<crweb>

it rained on us.

[14:55]

<crweb>

you guys have a ton of theaters downtown

[14:56]

<gl2tosl2|school>

downtown minneapolis?

[14:56]

<crweb>

yeah

[14:56]

<gl2tosl2|school>

did you go there, or uptown?

[14:56]

<gl2tosl2|school>

name a theater....

[14:56]

<crweb>

hmm..

[14:56]

<crweb>

we wen tto the parade of lights

[14:56]

<crweb>

spent a lot of time in uptown

[14:56]

<gl2tosl2|school>

okay, on nicollet mall

[14:56]

<gl2tosl2|school>

that's downtown

[14:56]

<crweb>

ate at this place that was a mix of foriegn foods

[14:57]

<crweb>

it was so amazing..

[14:57]

<crweb>

and $200 for 5 people..

[14:57]

<gl2tosl2|school>

I doubt I eat there.....

[14:57]

<gl2tosl2|school>

at $40 a plate

[14:57]

<crweb>

but you ordered plates that were actually meals for 6 people

[14:58]

<gl2tosl2|school>

I have to go to seminar now....

[14:58]

<gl2tosl2|school>

:(

[14:58]

<crweb>

it was serously amazing. never had anything that good

[14:58]

<crweb>

I'll ask her the name

[14:58]

<gl2tosl2|school>

okay

[14:59]

<crweb>

she lived within walking distance of the mall of america too

[14:59]

<crweb>

that was fun

[18:36]

Hello

[18:37]

I had a small question about the OSD and to know if there was anyway a shell script was possible or if there was any API for scheduler?

[18:39]

Is there anyone that can answer a small question on the OSD and if there is are any hooks for the scheduler?

[18:44]

scheduler hasn't been built yet :)

[21:24]

<JBorn_Handheld>

hi all

[21:25]

<JBorn_Handheld>

ok, night all

[00:27]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: what happened with that firmware. corrupt ?
[00:43]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: yeah.. it won't flash
[00:43]	<crweb>	but i can't tell you why
[00:43]	<crweb>	i dunno if its size, or something else
[00:43]	<nerochiaro>	Terry suggested i format the card. and it is flashing for me now. i can't tell you why either
[00:44]	<crweb>	jwu: did we get that commit sorted out?
[00:51]	<crweb>	I'm going off to bed
[00:51]	<crweb>	We should see some official Samba NAS action this weekend
[00:54]	<jwu>	crweb: night I will commit it soon
[00:55]	<crweb>	its not really a rush. Just want to make sure it is straightend out
[00:55]	<crweb>	Have a good day/night
[05:27]	<Zygfryd>	hello
[05:31]	<nerochiaro>	hey
[05:33]	<hellwolf>	seems that qemu-arm not support tls when using nptl
[05:33]	<hellwolf>	It shows unknown syscall
[05:33]	<nerochiaro>	are you using it to run applications ?
[05:33]	<hellwolf>	Yes
[05:34]	<nerochiaro>	for configure/make stuff of real applications ?
[05:35]	<hellwolf>	No, just to play with it.
[05:35]	<nerochiaro>	ah ok
[05:35]	<nerochiaro>	i don't know about that problem
[05:36]	<hellwolf>	I build glibc 2.5 with tls enabled using nptl. What version of glibc and thread modal used by OSD?
[05:36]	<nerochiaro>	glibc i think 2.3. thread model honestly don't know
[05:36]	<nerochiaro>	2.3.6
[06:56]	<American-Tech>	when is the next firmware coming out? Any idea?
[06:59]	<hellwolf>	I'm trying to integrade the package manager to the OSD system now used, and will be along with a usable software repository. If it's ok, is there any chance to add it to svn? And is there any plan to the package manager stuff?
[07:02]	<nerochiaro>	hellwolf: well, there is still doubt for what package manager proposal will be taken for SoC
[07:05]	<hellwolf>	That's ok, anyway, I'm doing it, and I'll release a example image of it. Just to tftp it and copy.b in u-boot.
[07:06]	<nerochiaro>	American-Tech: there have been a couple internal revisions in the last days, so probably soon. but there are some critical bugs that we might need to solve before that.
[07:06]	<nerochiaro>	hellwolf: uboot ?
[07:06]	<nerochiaro>	hellwolf: you should not touch that
[07:07]	<hellwolf>	I said use uboot to copy the image to flash, sorry that I've no idea about upk.
[07:08]	<hellwolf>	Not to touch the uboot and kernel image
[07:09]	<nerochiaro>	you need to build an upk package that has only rootfs image in it
[07:10]	<hellwolf>	Well, ok, hope that's not to difficult
[07:11]	<nerochiaro>	no, it's pretty easy
[07:15]	<nerochiaro>	build all normally with build-helper than go to neuros-bsp/images and run: packet_16M nh "Your Title" yourname.upk root.cramfs
[07:15]	<American-Tech>	Thanks nerochiaro
[09:02]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: you there?
[09:05]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: for a little, yes
[09:06]	<JoeBorn>	it's nothing important, we can talk whenever.
[09:06]	<JoeBorn>	sorry to catch you right at quitting time.
[09:07]	<daurnimator>	hey ner
[09:07]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: if it's not long, i'm ok even now
[09:07]	<daurnimator>	and jb
[09:07]	<nerochiaro>	daurnimator: hey
[09:07]	<daurnimator>	whats new
[09:07]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: if it looks long, i'll tell you ;)
[09:07]	<JoeBorn>	well, I think it's pretty long, I wanted to talk about x86 v DSP :)
[09:08]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: oh, ok, later or tomorrow then :)
[09:08]	<nerochiaro>	i'm going outside now, then. later
[09:08]	<daurnimator>	cya
[09:08]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn: whats new? ;)
[09:09]	<JoeBorn>	daurnimator: the usual, you?
[09:09]	<daurnimator>	nothing much :P
[09:09]	<daurnimator>	hows the OSD?
[09:09]	<daurnimator>	is it on sale yet?
[09:12]	<JoeBorn>	still gamma
[09:13]	<daurnimator>	o.o
[09:13]	<daurnimator>	when you getting it out ther?
[09:13]	<JoeBorn>	should be very soon
[09:16]	<daurnimator>	how bout N#?
[09:16]	<daurnimator>	N3
[09:34]	<daurnimator>	JoeBorn?
[09:35]	<JoeBorn>	I don't know to be honest.
[09:35]	<daurnimator>	how do i enable the passthrough on the OSD?
[09:36]	<daurnimator>	- i want to watch the stuff in the input
[09:42]	<JoeBorn>	should happen automatically, back out all the way to the pass throiugh
[09:42]	<JoeBorn>	past the main menu
[09:43]	<daurnimator>	too late now
[09:43]	<daurnimator>	anyway, back to N3
[09:43]	<daurnimator>	has there been any talk at all?
[10:15]	<daurnimator>	JoeBornio?
[11:47]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: you back?
[11:53]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: aye
[11:54]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: just read your email
[11:55]	<NC-17>	i dream of the n3 in my sleep
[11:58]	<nerochiaro>	we all do, someday our collective will will warp reality and materialize it
[12:10]	<JoshMalone>	or maybe someone will just produce an open PMP :)
[12:11]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: much easier
[12:12]	<JoshMalone>	lol - maybe
[12:13]	<JoeBorn>	neuros can distribute it.
[12:14]	<JoeBorn>	we'll license jerusha duck to the community
[12:15]	* JoshMalone has fun booting linux on his intel macbook
[12:39]	<crweb>	i wouldn't mind and intel macbook
[12:40]	<crweb>	theres higher spec laptops for much less the price though
[12:46]	<JoshMalone>	i would never buy one
[12:46]	<JoshMalone>	this belongs to the office, reallyu
[12:46]	<tequila>	Any body can guide me regarding Summer of code
[12:46]	<tequila>	any mentors here
[12:47]	<crweb>	What do you need help with?
[12:51]	<tequila>	regarding gsoc project i have applied for ..
[12:53]	<tequila>	i have submitted for overnight transciders and want some pointers about dsp codecs and porting issues with arm , it wud be pf great help if somebody can guide me for start
[12:53]	<tequila>	transcoder *
[12:53]	<crweb>	tequila: google hasn't assigned us our slots so we do not know yet which and how many projects will be accepted
[12:54]	<tequila>	ok
[12:54]	<tequila>	and can u tell me how many applications plan 9 has received
[12:55]	<crweb>	we can only see our own Mentor organizations
[12:55]	<crweb>	what name did you submit under?
[12:55]	<tequila>	Naresh Kumar
[12:57]	<tequila>	sorry i was asking about neuros .. how many applications neuros has received ?
[12:57]	<crweb>	62
[12:59]	<tequila>	and number of expected students google will allow neuros to take
[12:59]	<tequila>	??
[13:03]	<crweb>	You'll know when we know :)
[13:04]	<tequila>	k
[13:04]	<tequila>	crewb : are u a mentor
[13:04]	<crweb>	i am
[13:06]	<tequila>	can u give me status of my application and other things that are needed from my side for making proposal better
[13:08]	<crweb>	i don't really know which information i should and shouldn't reveal. so to be on the safe side i think nerochiaro might be more suited for discussing individual appliactions
[13:19]	<tequila>	Ugo Riboni ?? r u here
[13:22]	<crweb>	tequila: he is not. If you make an account with freenode you can answer my private messages
[13:23]	<crweb>	/msg nickserv REGISTER
[13:23]	<tequila>	i did answered ur private messages ... i guess this freenode is not allowing me to send u private messages
[13:24]	<crweb>	tequila: correct
[13:24]	<crweb>	freenode makes us register to send messages
[13:29]	<tequila>	anyways .. is it true .. that u said in private message
[13:29]	<crweb>	yes
[13:30]	<crweb>	Check your appliaction comments.
[13:32]	<Darchon>	api's for the codecs that run on the dsp core are provided
[13:32]	<Darchon>	ups, nvm
[13:32]	<crweb>	i think its oops
[13:33]	<Darchon>	nah, it's oops in dutch ;)
[13:33]	<tequila>	checked , So adding further inforamation about future tasks will not help or there is still some hope
[13:35]	<crweb>	tequila: pm
[13:36]	<tequila>	Ok
[13:36]	<tequila>	anyways thanks for information
[13:38]	<tequila>	But why did the menors didn't put a comment if they needed more out of proposal , i reveiwed it once and was willing to add further information, but due to exams time i wasn't able to give it proper time t the time of submitting it
[13:39]	<tequila>	anyways thanks crweb
[13:39]	<crweb>	tequila: because after the first changes, more information wasn't needed
[13:41]	<crweb>	the decision factor wasn't who had the most or least information
[13:42]	<tequila>	then what was it
[13:42]	<tequila>	background ??
[13:43]	<crweb>	it was an application process. Just like applying for a job
[13:44]	<crweb>	applications were reviewed and the ones chosen are found to be the best suited for the job.
[13:45]	<crweb>	if 30 people applied for the same project, then the "best" of the 30 was chosen
[13:45]	<tequila>	ok , can a student apply to neuros directly for summer internship kind of thing ??
[13:46]	<crweb>	Employment at Neuros goes through JoeBorn
[13:46]	<tequila>	what is JoeBorn
[13:46]	<crweb>	your best experience will come from working on open source projects, and involving youself in the community like the rest of us :)
[13:46]	<crweb>	tequila: the irc user JoeBorn
[13:47]	<tequila>	oops
[13:47]	<tequila>	ok
[13:48]	<tequila>	How can i start crweb ??
[13:49]	<crweb>	well.. I started by writing a init bootup script system for the OSD
[13:49]	<crweb>	now i do work on the samba server
[13:50]	<crweb>	I've been documenting the source code, cleaning up the svn tree..
[13:50]	<crweb>	I see something that needs to be done.. and I do it.
[13:50]	<crweb>	tequila: theres a mailing list with lots of discussion, open.neurostechnology.com for news and stuff
[13:51]	<crweb>	tinyurl.com - Is a good starting source of info
[13:51]	<tequila>	thanks
[13:52]	<tequila>	i'll try to be a part of Neiuros developer community
[13:52]	<tequila>	Neuros *
[13:52]	<crweb>	at some point you might need a OSD..
[13:52]	<crweb>	but, depending on what kind of stuff you do, maybe not
[13:53]	<crweb>	I don't actually use mine at all for development
[13:53]	<tequila>	ofcourse , but i wud love to have it for hacking
[13:53]	<crweb>	actually there around christmas one of my heaviest contribution times
[13:53]	<crweb>	i had lost my OSD for 3-4 weeks
[13:53]	<crweb>	i was cleaning and slid it into my pc case and forgot about it
[13:54]	<crweb>	heh.. good times..
[13:54]	<tequila>	yeah
[13:54]	<crweb>	right now i'm cleaning up the root filesystem structures.
[13:55]	<tequila>	cleaning up ??
[13:55]	<crweb>	its not all fun and joy.. but got to love the end results.
[13:55]	<crweb>	yeah, putting files in their correct places, getting rid of old stuff
[13:55]	<tequila>	similar to defragmenting
[13:56]	<crweb>	sure
[13:56]	<crweb>	"spring cleaning"
[13:56]	<tequila>	yeah , spring clearing is a better term ,
[13:57]	<tequila>	so , u are employed at Neuros or some where else
[13:57]	<crweb>	i hope to be employed one day.
[13:57]	<crweb>	but i'm a student/psychologist
[13:58]	<tequila>	student of psychology , or student by profession and part time psychologist
[13:58]	<tequila>	:)
[13:58]	<crweb>	right now.. more of the student profession type thing ;)
[13:59]	<crweb>	i was in a rock band for 5 years and got a late start
[13:59]	<tequila>	Developer + Psychologist + Rocker ... huh
[13:59]	<tequila>	deadly things coming together
[14:00]	<crweb>	keeps it fun
[14:01]	<tequila>	u a postgraduate studebt right ??
[14:02]	<tequila>	student *
[14:02]	<crweb>	i'm working on my undergrad of computer science right now
[14:02]	<crweb>	nothing but stupid mathmatics left :/
[14:07]	<crweb>	wiki.neurostechnology.com
[14:19]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	stupid math eh?
[14:21]	<crweb>	yep. stupid math
[14:21]	<crweb>	i've already done everything programming/computer science that i can do
[14:21]	<crweb>	what do they expect me to learn from the math classes?
[14:21]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	math?
[14:21]	<crweb>	for?
[14:21]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	computer science
[14:21]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	:)
[14:22]	<crweb>	which i'm already done with
[14:22]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	what math do you have to take?
[14:22]	<crweb>	calc2, linear algerbra, calc based statistics, and intro to quatum physics
[14:22]	<crweb>	then i'm done
[14:23]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	nice
[14:23]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	well, that's all a pretty important foundation for computer science
[14:23]	<crweb>	which i'm already done with
[14:23]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	although doing that after your advanced cs courses may be a little out of order
[14:24]	<drawnout>	crweb: you need quantum physics for a cs degree?
[14:24]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	probably they are lumping it in as a physics requirement
[14:24]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	seems more relevant the closer we get to having quantum computers.....
[14:24]	<drawnout>	hah, I needed a physical and biological science. Chem and Fungi: Friend or Foe
[14:25]	<crweb>	yeah, 2 of those are department of Computer Science, 2 are from the Department of Science
[14:25]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	calc2....?
[14:25]	<crweb>	is CS
[14:25]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	have you done multivariate stuff yet, or is that included in calc2?
[14:26]	<crweb>	thats in calc based statistics
[14:26]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	you couldn't do much in calc based statistics without multivariate
[14:26]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	I would expect it to be a pre-req
[14:27]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	but, your university may vary
[14:28]	<crweb>	its actually called Math Stat in Eng & Science
[14:28]	<crweb>	and is the bane of all CS majors
[14:29]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	:)
[14:29]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	says the stats grad student
[14:29]	<crweb>	well, says that most of us don't graduate
[14:29]	<crweb>	we don't have the nicest math department in the US
[14:29]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	that is unfortunate
[14:29]	<crweb>	none of them really speak english well
[14:30]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	that is common
[14:30]	<crweb>	and there is a fail/drop out rate of 86%
[14:30]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	for your department?
[14:30]	<crweb>	no, for math classes in general
[14:30]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	ouch
[14:30]	<crweb>	sorry, fail/withdraw
[14:30]	<crweb>	most of CS drop outs are caused by the math classes though
[14:30]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	oh, I see, 86% of students that enroll in a math class fail or withdraw from the class...
[14:30]	<crweb>	right
[14:31]	<crweb>	you'll go from a calc2 class with 40 people, then day after last day to withdraw you'll have 7
[14:31]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	sounds a little rough for calc2....
[14:31]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	upper division or lower division?
[14:32]	<crweb>	?
[14:33]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	the calc2 class.
[14:33]	<crweb>	whats upper/lower div?
[14:34]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	upper division junior/senior classes
[14:34]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	lower division, freshman/sophmore classes
[14:34]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	no?
[14:34]	<crweb>	ah, upper
[14:34]	<crweb>	what happens here is, to graduate most people go take their math classes at the community college next door. Then transfer them back.
[14:34]	<crweb>	but, I have to have my last 30 hours of classes at the university
[14:34]	<crweb>	and since these are my last 15
[14:35]	<crweb>	i'm stuck right here.
[14:36]	<crweb>	gl2tosl2 i'm non-traditional student. fresh/soph/junior/senior doesn't mean much to me
[14:36]	<crweb>	I've always been considered a senior
[14:36]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	?
[14:37]	<crweb>	i transfered in
[14:37]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	oh
[14:37]	<crweb>	i had enough generic credits mine has always said "senior"
[14:37]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	oh
[14:37]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	well, that typically gets you a nice registration time
[14:38]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	that was really the only purpose of 'class' distinctions as far as I could tell in undergrad
[14:38]	<crweb>	more importantly, very nice parking
[14:38]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	I've never had good parking
[14:38]	<crweb>	26k students, 4k parking spots
[14:38]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	and you can get one?
[14:39]	<crweb>	we get parking lots
[14:39]	<crweb>	lots are color coded
[14:39]	<crweb>	seniors get red, which is most of the lots, where less than junior get the biggest lot, but its a long long way away
[14:40]	<crweb>	its a good 10-15 minute walk from freshmen lot to the first campus building
[14:44]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	how are buses there?
[14:44]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	or biking?
[14:44]	<crweb>	i've never used them. but they seem to hit every stop every 15minutes
[14:44]	<crweb>	and biking is pretty normal
[14:45]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	where are you? how's the weather?
[14:45]	<crweb>	Southern Illinois
[14:45]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	oh, so not that bad
[14:45]	<crweb>	its usually not to bad.
[14:45]	<crweb>	you almost have to bike sometimes though
[14:45]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	bring the bike on the car and then haul in from the lot?
[14:46]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	I see people do that
[14:46]	<crweb>	you could have a class 10 minutes after your last, but it be a 15-20 minute walk
[14:46]	<crweb>	yeah, pretty common
[14:46]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	yup
[14:47]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	davis was pretty similar to that, campus was so spread out that you would need a bike to make back to back classes on time
[14:47]	<crweb>	www.discoversil.com
[14:48]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	you guys need some paddle boats!
[14:48]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	that would be awesome
[14:48]	<crweb>	theres paddle boats
[14:48]	<crweb>	www.siu.edu
[14:48]	<crweb>	little better
[14:49]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	looks like a nice campus
[14:49]	<crweb>	yeah, pretty sweet
[14:49]	<crweb>	very natural
[14:50]	<crweb>	images.google.com
[14:50]	<crweb>	www.siue.edu
[14:50]	<crweb>	thats our sister campus
[14:51]	<crweb>	30-40 minutes away i think
[14:51]	<crweb>	very small
[14:51]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	one largish building...
[14:51]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	my school is rather large.
[14:52]	<crweb>	heh.. i was just looking at a campus map
[14:52]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	upload.wikimedia.org
[14:53]	<crweb>	it really needs to be updated.. cause, nothing looks right
[14:53]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	then there is another chunk in saint paul, about 5 miles away
[14:53]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	and the weisman art museum, people either love it or hate it.
[14:53]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	upload.wikimedia.org
[14:54]	<crweb>	neat
[14:54]	<crweb>	i was just at UMN over xmas
[14:54]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	sure
[14:54]	<crweb>	i like that big bridge
[14:55]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	the one in the picture?
[14:55]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	that's the washington ave bridge
[14:55]	<crweb>	university of minnesota right?
[14:55]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	with a covered walkway
[14:55]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	yeah
[14:55]	<crweb>	yeah, went on a ski trip with some girls from there.
[14:55]	<crweb>	it rained on us.
[14:55]	<crweb>	you guys have a ton of theaters downtown
[14:56]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	downtown minneapolis?
[14:56]	<crweb>	yeah
[14:56]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	did you go there, or uptown?
[14:56]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	name a theater....
[14:56]	<crweb>	hmm..
[14:56]	<crweb>	we wen tto the parade of lights
[14:56]	<crweb>	spent a lot of time in uptown
[14:56]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	okay, on nicollet mall
[14:56]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	that's downtown
[14:56]	<crweb>	ate at this place that was a mix of foriegn foods
[14:57]	<crweb>	it was so amazing..
[14:57]	<crweb>	and $200 for 5 people..
[14:57]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	I doubt I eat there.....
[14:57]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	at $40 a plate
[14:57]	<crweb>	but you ordered plates that were actually meals for 6 people
[14:58]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	I have to go to seminar now....
[14:58]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	:(
[14:58]	<crweb>	it was serously amazing. never had anything that good
[14:58]	<crweb>	I'll ask her the name
[14:58]	<gl2tosl2\|school>	okay
[14:59]	<crweb>	she lived within walking distance of the mall of america too
[14:59]	<crweb>	that was fun
[18:36]	<travisnj>	Hello
[18:37]	<travisnj>	I had a small question about the OSD and to know if there was anyway a shell script was possible or if there was any API for scheduler?
[18:39]	<travisnj>	Is there anyone that can answer a small question on the OSD and if there is are any hooks for the scheduler?
[18:44]	<TasogareNoKagi>	scheduler hasn't been built yet :)
[21:24]	<JBorn_Handheld>	hi all
[21:25]	<JBorn_Handheld>	ok, night all