[00:17] <JoeBorn> nerochiaro: you around?
[00:34] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: did you get a chance to look at the AZ pdf yet?
[00:35] <JoeBorn> no, but I'll try to, I'm actually looking for screen shots for CES, I need to.
[00:35] <JohnDesigner> I know its difficult to really glean the soul from it, but there is some interesting bits in there I think
[00:35] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: can I put together some screenies for you?
[00:36] <JoeBorn> yeah, that'd be great actually, thanks.
[00:37] <JohnDesigner> The 'genres' screen shot that has been used is not really accurate. I'm not so sure we'll have genre browsing since the input method for generes is a pain
[00:38] <JoeBorn> right, I personally would put the whole dbase idea behind shark
[00:38] <MattJ100> Are they confidential screenies, or may I take a peek too? :)
[00:38] <JoeBorn> really I don't think the dbase will be useful until we get IMDB integration or something like that.
[00:39] <JohnDesigner> agreed, IMDB or at least a PC-side db editor.
[00:40] <JohnDesigner> MattJ100: they aren't so much confidential as "in development". the images are sort of lies at this point :)
[00:40] <MattJ100> Still I'm curious :)
[00:42] <JohnDesigner> give me your email and I'll see if the resulting screenies are suitable (or interesting at all)
[00:43] <MattJ100> mwild1@gmail.com
[00:43] <MattJ100> What is shark?
[00:43] <MattJ100> I saw it in SVN
[00:44] <JohnDesigner> MattJ100: JoeBorn is better at explaining that than I
[00:47] <JoeBorn> shark is an OSD based file sharing application
[00:47] <JoeBorn> it has a server component too for authentication and finding other users, etc.
[00:47] <MattJ100> Ahh
[00:47] <MattJ100> Aimed for use on the LAN, or the internet?
[00:48] <JoeBorn> well, it's also a link sharing thing.
[00:48] <JoeBorn> internet primarily.
[00:48] <MattJ100> Interesting
[00:48] <JoeBorn> basically the OSD acts like a file server and the main server deals with the router, etc.
[00:50] <JoeBorn> a lot of the issues are usability and of course legal stuff.
[00:50] <MattJ100> Yeah
[00:50] <JoeBorn> ideally we'd use watermarking so users can just self police
[00:50] <JoeBorn> since the alternatives are not very attractive.
[00:51] <JoeBorn> the fingerprinting stuff doesn't work that well, and it's much of a judge of fair use or not.
[00:52] <JoeBorn> watermarking is the most attractive compromise IMHO
[00:53] <JoeBorn> and of course make sure there's no global search functionality
[00:53] <JoeBorn> so it requires authentication, it's just device to device
[00:53] <JoeBorn> not some sharing with 10,000 friends napster type thing.
[00:55] <MattJ100> Ah, great
[00:56] <MattJ100> I think if search was available, you would attract a bit too much attention
[00:56] <JoeBorn> search is a deal killer.
[00:57] <JoeBorn> sharing files like that is a liability for everyone
[00:58] * MattJ100  wishes the OSD could have a client for the BBC iPlayer
[00:58] <MattJ100> I doubt it would be possible though
[00:58] <JoeBorn> yeah, there was some talk about that at LRL, I don't know much about it.
[00:58] <JoeBorn> it's DRM'd isn't it?
[00:58] <MattJ100> Yes and no
[00:58] <MattJ100> They since released a web version
[00:58] <JoeBorn> it's one of the things that I talked about with the FSF
[00:59] <MattJ100> Flash streaming
[00:59] <JoeBorn> oh yeah?
[00:59] <MattJ100> So it works on Mac/Linux now
[00:59] <MattJ100> No DRM, but the downside is that you can't save it for offline use (and programmes are only available for 7 days after broadcast)
[01:00] <MattJ100> I wouldn't mind, but it's not really convenient for the family to crowd around the PC to watch something missed on TV
[01:01] <JoeBorn> what resolution is it?
[01:01] <MattJ100> Hmm, not sure
[01:02] * MattJ100  looks
[01:02] * JoeBorn  heads to bed
[01:03] <MattJ100> Not high
[01:04] <MattJ100> Good night :)
[01:04] <JoeBorn> well, maybe you can get the flv transcoder to do it
[01:04] <JoeBorn> worst case you can overclock the arm if you need a little extra oomph :)
[01:05] <MattJ100> Yeah, but I don't think there is any flv exposed
[01:05] <JoeBorn> oh, it's not like youtube?
[01:05] <JoeBorn> ok, well I really must go to bed.
[01:05] <MattJ100> It's like it, but after seeing the code of the page, I see no way to extract the video as in YouTube
[01:05] <MattJ100> Intentional, of course
[01:05] <MattJ100> Good night :)
[02:09] <Coderjoe|work_> MattJ100: it's flash? why can't you just save the flv file like with google or youtube?
[04:14] <JohnDesigner> anyone located outside of the US around?
[04:14] <vmarks> hi John!
[04:14] <vmarks> I'm outside the us right now.
[04:15] <JohnDesigner> I'm wondering what non-americans think of when you hear the word "Bijou"
[04:15] <JohnDesigner> vmarks: hiya
[04:16] <JohnDesigner> vmarks: where are you currently?
[04:16] <vmarks> UK
[04:17] <vmarks> but I can ask a frenchman easily.
[04:17] <Knirch> JohnDesigner: swe here, nothing resembling it in swedish atleast :)
[04:18] <Knirch> heh, jewel in french, gay movie, gay porno studio, queen song
[04:22] <JohnDesigner> arg.
[04:22] <nerochiaro> JohnDesigner: i already told you about it, i think, right ?
[04:23] <JohnDesigner> Bijou makes nerochiaro think of cheap jewelry
[04:23] <JohnDesigner> whoa, speak of the devil...
[04:23] <JohnDesigner> Knirch: thanks
[04:23] <Knirch> JohnDesigner: en.wikipedia.org
[04:24] <nerochiaro> JohnDesigner: what did you wanted to use it for ? i forgot.
[04:24] <JohnDesigner> well, it was just a private thought I had to name the Archiver
[04:24] <JohnDesigner> I think of the golden age of movie houses when I hear bijou.
[04:26] <nerochiaro> from what Knirch said, it's gay porn movie houses these days ;)
[04:26] <vmarks> we had a movie house named Chateau when I was growing up.
[04:26] <vmarks> it means Castle.
[04:27] <JohnDesigner> hmm, seems I missed that whole period when it was usurped into the gay vernacular
[04:27] <vmarks> and I don't think there's any gay porn connection to Castle.
[04:27] <JohnDesigner> very true
[04:27] <JohnDesigner> If there is I missed that one too
[04:27] <Knirch> use a real word, and you'll probably be able to find all sorts of bad references
[04:28] <JohnDesigner> how about videotron ?
[04:28] <vmarks> meh.
[04:28] * JohnDesigner  notes we aren't actually naming the device
[04:28] <vmarks> even so, meh.
[04:28] <JohnDesigner> hmm, I had some others..let me find them
[04:29] <JohnDesigner> videotron was kind of a joke. maybe not :)
[04:29] <nerochiaro> JohnDesigner: since we're into french, maybe some word related to the original antique cinema, like Lumière
[04:29] <JohnDesigner> ooo, that has a great ring to it
[04:30] <JohnDesigner> Zoetrope
[04:30] <JohnDesigner> Cinemate (okay, thats really cheezy, but stranger things...)
[04:30] <JohnDesigner> Cinematron
[04:30] <JohnDesigner> Neuros Cinema
[04:30] <JohnDesigner> Videophile
[04:30] <nerochiaro> Cinematron sounds like a name a transformer would have
[04:31] <JohnDesigner> it dies sound that way. its kewl
[04:31] <JohnDesigner> does
[04:31] <JohnDesigner> the kind of name that sould be sneered at and also loved, certainly remembered
[04:32] <nerochiaro> zoetrope is cool, because no one knows what that actually is.
[04:33] <JohnDesigner> en.wikipedia.org
[04:34] <nerochiaro> i know, but it's pretty obscure
[04:34] <JohnDesigner> yup
[04:35] <JohnDesigner> I like Cinema (simple, to the point, and translates well) or Videophile
[04:36] <vmarks> I only know zoetrope from coppola.
[04:36] <Knirch> zoetrope is a album by someone who has "sex murder" as second name
[04:36] <JohnDesigner> as long as Videophile does NOT become Videofile. takes the bang out if for me
[04:36] <Knirch> :)
[10:40] <JoeBorn> nerochiaro: you there?
[10:40] <JoeBorn> where is everybody? the channel is really dead!
[13:45] <gremlin[it]> good evening !