[02:29]	<nick_fn>	crweb: turns out putting a specific ip into mediatomb's config helped. I guess other upnp servers I've tried picked the right interface by themselves.
[02:44]	<allyourrejects>	nick_fn: excellent
[02:44]	<allyourrejects>	mm.. i'm crweb btw sorry
[02:45]	<allyourrejects>	nick_fn: this could be useful info. Someone should start a upnp server wiki page..
[02:46]	<nick_fn>	allyourrejects: I've not found a upnp server that offers search yet, other than Microsoft Media Player though. (if I did, I'm not sure how useful that would be via the OSD's current UI, but that's a different problem.)
[06:43]	<crweb>	it has search?
[06:43]	<crweb>	or is the search client side?
[06:44]	<crweb>	search could ask server for a full list of files and search it client side
[08:42]	<crweb2>	JohnDesigner: ping
[09:01]	<greyback>	crweb2: Quick question on svn patch. Should it just patch the source, or should it include any libraries that it generates (so you don't need to do a make rebuild on any external-lib in the trunk)?
[09:01]	<crweb2>	no, just source
[09:01]	<crweb2>	rebuild is good
[09:01]	<greyback>	Sound
[10:35]	<Richard_Balls>	how to get free OSD
[10:36]	<nerochiaro>	Richard_Balls: show some great ideas and that you are capable and willing to implement them
[10:36]	<nerochiaro>	for example. or beg and pray in front of Neuros' offices
[10:37]	<Richard_Balls>	Besides past history how can I be sure you won't just jack my ideas?
[10:37]	<nerochiaro>	what you mean with "jack" ? steal ?
[10:37]	<Richard_Balls>	sure
[10:39]	<nerochiaro>	well, i'm not sure. previous times this didn't happen. clearly some trust is needed on both parts
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[10:58]	<neu>	halo
[10:58]	<tt>	#thinstation
[10:58]	<neu>	helllo
[10:58]	<neu>	help
[10:59]	<nerochiaro>	neu: what's happening ?
[11:10]	<green_mango>	hello from a new developer
[11:10]	<nerochiaro>	green_mango: hello, welcome
[11:11]	<green_mango>	just wanted to ask if i need to buy an OSD to start development or if I could just use VMWare with scratchbox to build/run?
[11:11]	<green_mango>	have been going thur neuros' wiki and its been a bit difficult to figure things out
[11:12]	<nerochiaro>	you pretty much need the OSD hardware to run anything non trivial
[11:12]	<nerochiaro>	developing without it at the moment isn't really a viable option, i'm afraid
[11:13]	<green_mango>	i see
[11:13]	<green_mango>	i just want to do a build and run just once before i get the hardware...will that be possible?
[11:14]	<nerochiaro>	run some application that you created ?
[11:15]	<nerochiaro>	or run the neuros OSD software ?
[11:15]	<green_mango>	first run the neuros OSD software
[11:15]	<nerochiaro>	no, that's not possible. you can build it entirely without the OSD, but it will run only on the OSD. we have no simulator at the moment
[11:16]	<green_mango>	well understood, thank you
[11:16]	<nerochiaro>	no problem
[11:17]	<green_mango>	iwhere's the best place to get the hardware?
[11:17]	<nerochiaro>	you can buy it directly from Neuros
[11:17]	<nerochiaro>	or if you find a reseller that is more convenient for you, or has a better price, go for it. but i'm not able to suggest you any, i'm sorry
[11:18]	<nerochiaro>	in the sense that i don't know of any
[11:18]	<green_mango>	great
[11:19]	<green_mango>	thanks again...got to get some sleep
[11:19]	<nerochiaro>	just look at neurostechnology.com home page. there's a list of resellers
[11:20]	<nerochiaro>	good nite
[12:52]	<greyback>	I've stuck the patch for Shoutcasts and Last.fm up on the ML. Let me know what ye think when ye get around to it.
[20:11]	<antics>	anyone around?
[20:11]	<antics>	i have a possible bug with the newest firmware (thru the auto-updater)