Log from #neuros IRC channel

yes is the European meeting of open source developer ... take a look at fosdem.org ... if i'm able to do what i want i'll carry my OSD powered by OE with me ;)

[03:53]

a mobile OSD sounds cool

[03:54]

<gremlin[it]>

really ?! ... i hear about but sincerely i don't think ..

[03:55]

<gremlin[it]>

in my opinion i will like more an OSD with more then one USB and USB2 ... more flash .... (to use many usb devices, and 2.0 is need for turner at now) ...

[03:56]

<gremlin[it]>

and/or with built in wifi ...

[03:56]

Looks like the FOSDEM would be a good thing for SW devs. I'd love to see Brussels.

[03:57]

<gremlin[it]>

i talk about with nerochiaro ...

[03:58]

gremlin[it]: yeah, some of the items you listed are in the plans.

[03:59]

Nero would be a good guy for FOSDEM

[04:01]

<gremlin[it]>

:)

[04:02]

<gremlin[it]>

grrrr .. no way :( ... torfu seem want to win over me !!!

[04:05]

No! Breathe deep and work the body!

[04:07]

<gremlin[it]>

hahahah ok JohnDesigner :)

[04:11]

:)

[08:23]

<gremlin[it]>

hi again

[08:24]

<gremlin[it]>

how i can pass kernel parameters via u-boot ? (kernel is downloaded via tftp)

[08:34]

gremlin[it]: I'm not sure, but try a printenv in uboot and see if theres a variable called something like bootargs

[08:36]

<gremlin[it]>

yes i fond something but don't work very well :)

[08:37]

What are you trying to do?

[08:38]

<gremlin[it]>

use OE as devel environment to build OSD software ... all kernel + filesystem + custom software

[08:39]

Ah, okay. I won't be much help then I'm afraid.

[08:40]

<gremlin[it]>

good news ... seem binary only device drivers (mainly DSP related ) load well also if i build kernel with gcc-3.4.4 instead of 3.4.6 ... :)

[08:41]

Really? Pfft.

[08:43]

<gremlin[it]>

i was about sure ... but this is less work for me cause 3.4.4 is last gcc presente in OE before jump to 4.0 ...

[08:44]

Ahh right, I understand you now. (I thought you were being sarcastic!)

[08:45]

I figured the reason the OSD runs an old kernel version is because the binary device drivers don't work with anything newer

[08:46]

<gremlin[it]>

gremlin[it] my first milestone is to do what current OSD devel framework do ... nothing more nothing less ... but in my opinion OE is much more versatile than any custom solution :)

[08:47]

<gremlin[it]>

mhhh yes you are right i think

[08:48]

<gremlin[it]>

next step could be to rebuild proprietary drivers and codecs withe the help of the "about free" TI dsp compiler ;)

[08:49]

That's be sweet

[08:53]

<gremlin[it]>

mhhh how can i obtain the serial console after firmware bootup ?

[08:59]

gremlin[it]: Just press a few keys on your keyboard, it should prompt you for username/password

[09:08]

<gremlin[it]>

didn't happen :(

[09:09]

Are you seeing the kernel messages on your PC?

[09:10]

<gremlin[it]>

yes !!! all dmesg messages

[09:14]

That's strange. It works for me. Did you notice a "neuros login: " prompt at any stage?

[09:15]

It's scrolls along with the kernel messages at one point.

[09:15]

If it's networked, you could try telnetting in

[09:55]

<gremlin[it]>

greyback sorry ... which login and passwd ?

[10:09]

gremlin[it]: root/pablod

[10:13]

<gremlin[it]>

thanks gremlin[it]

[10:13]

<gremlin[it]>

thanks greyback

[11:55]

list

[12:02]

hi, the neuros is unable to see the USB drive attached to the unit. The USB drive has been attached to other computers, works fine, fully addressable

[12:02]

any ideas?

[12:02]

the USB storage is a WDC freeagent drive

[12:03]

tsdan1: Hey, does the drive have it's own power supply?

[12:04]

nope

[12:04]

It's just a thought, but maybe the OSD's USB port doesn't have enough juice to run your HD

[12:04]

let me try something else, these freeagent drives are a bit odd

[12:04]

yeah, hang on a sec

[12:04]

It's a pretty low power device.

[12:04]

(OSD)

[12:05]

btw, glad you're around today :-)

[12:06]

I've a HD that runs off the OSD just file. But she's an old Travelstar drive. I dunno how much power these things take these days

[12:06]

Young whipper-snapper HDs, pfft

[12:06]

I need to do the update to the qt stuff sometime.

[12:07]

There was one guys (you?) on the forums who had same problem, but it was a more technical issue with no easy solution

[12:07]

well, as far as I know.

[12:07]

the freeagent drives have a split USB connector, one for power, the other for power+data

[12:08]

I don't usually plug in the "power" usb connector as it's not necessary

[12:08]

vmarks: I gave it a go yesterday (NFS boot), but it's not that usable. It's not changing to PAL for instance

[12:08]

so i've got the data cable in the OSD and power cable in my laptop (Franken systems)

[12:08]

and rebooting the OSD

[12:09]

tsdan1: Oh excellent, I should've asked for that. They supply those cables because while a USB port should supply 500mA of power, they don't always.

[12:09]

grumble, that didn't work

[12:09]

the OSD just doesn't see the storage

[12:10]

Can I ask you to telnet in and do a "dmesg"

[12:10]

yeah, let me run a net cable, hang on

[12:11]

This is what I'm thinking of: forums.neurostechnology.com

[12:11]

But still, this isn't good.

[12:12]

<MattJ>

greyback: Do you know if there is a way to set an environment variable on the OSD at startup?

[12:13]

ok, on the net, what do you want to know from dmesg?

[12:13]

MattJ: throwing an export command into rc.user would be my first idea, but it'll only be for that shell

[12:14]

<MattJ>

It might do

[12:14]

<MattJ>

Is rc.user writeable?

[12:14]

tsdan1: Have a look for a mention of "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using DM320-USB-HCD and address 2"

[12:14]

That's when the OSD detects your drive

[12:15]

MattJ: you can create it in /mnt/OSD, and it'll be executed on bootup

[12:15]

<MattJ>

Yay, thanks

[12:15]

greyback: pastebin.com all the USB messages presented

[12:17]

Hmm, why is there disconnect's appearing there? Do you get any detail about "sda" under these messages?

[12:17]

let me paste the whole thing

[12:20]

pastebin.com

[12:20]

I got rid of all the button press and related messages

[12:21]

looks like it found the drive with 1 partition

[12:21]

Ok, I'm not seeing any errors, so that's something. It recognises your drive, and the sda1 partition

[12:22]

maybe it's just not automounting?

[12:22]

How is that partition formatted? Fat32?

NTFS it appears

NTFS

120G free

osd can't handle ntfs

[12:23]

may1937: Doesn't fuse take it?

[12:23]

i should shut up i really don't know maybe so

[12:24]

does ntfs really work on arm though? i would be impressed

[12:24]

I think it does, but it's slow.

[12:25]

is there a syslog on the OSD?

[12:25]

besides what dmesg presents

[12:26]

Don't think so, there's nowhere really for it to go.

[12:26]

Let me do a little experimenting and see if ntfs works for me

[12:26]

not sure how old it is but look at this doc www.neurostechnology.com

[12:27]

wiki.neurostechnology.com

[12:27]

and that wiki page, freeagent drives have to be formated to FAT32, so may1937, great guess!

[12:27]

frick, off to costco to buy a different drive

[12:27]

this one has too much other stuff on it :->

[12:29]

btw, if anyone is interested, Newegg just put up a scream'n deal on a Samsung 24" widescreen

[12:29]

tinyurl.com

[12:30]

couple rebates and you're down to $409

[12:31]

wow nice

[12:32]

I have the Dell branded version, love it

[12:32]

it seemed HUGE at first, now it doesn't seem nearly large enough

[12:36]

Bleh, sorry mate, I can't find a drive I can format as NTFS.

[12:38]

<MattJ>

I think I remember talk here that NTFS wasn't supported because it was slow

[12:38]

<MattJ>

But that there wasn't reason it should be

[12:39]

<MattJ>

iirc

[12:43]

* MattJ is accepting votes for a music module for the web interface

[12:45]

tsdan1: NTFS is working for me, so I'm stuck as to what's wrong with you

[12:47]

* greyback puts hand up for xmms2 webterface

[12:47]

tsdan1: yours :)

[12:50]

<gremlin[it]>

hi again greyback !

[12:50]

Hey gremlin[it], did you have any luck with the serial console?

[12:51]

<gremlin[it]>

no i leave home ... now i'm out ...

[12:53]

Good idea. Sadly I'm doing some study right now!

[12:58]

<gremlin[it]>

are u a student ?

[12:59]

Grad school, working on a PhD

[13:01]

<gremlin[it]>

ohhh and where? ?

[13:01]

University College Dublin, in Ireland

[13:09]

<gremlin[it]>

should be nice ... see u ... dinner time :)

[13:31]

I was just in dublin two weeks ago

[13:33]

vmarks: yeah? Hardly here for the January sales?

[13:36]

greyback, dec 26 to jan 9.

[13:37]

That was a good while, were you working here?

[13:37]

Or pleasure?

[13:38]

family

[13:39]

Nice, you might've seen a lil snow then - and this country panic cuz we're not used to it

[16:29]

anyone around

[16:29]

the neuros hangs when I try to record something

[16:30]

and df hangs on mounting an external usb drive

[16:30]

that's formatted fat32

[16:31]

anything in dmesg on the device itself?

[16:31]

does the usb drive work on other computers?

[16:31]

yes, usb drive works, checked to be sure that its fat32, brand new out of the box

[16:32]

unit just blue screened

[16:32]

ok, df returned, usb device is mounted

[16:35]

took forever to mount the file system

[16:35]

is it a large disk?

[16:35]

yes

[16:35]

I just didn't expect it to take quite so long

[16:35]

well, large disks always take some time to mount

[16:36]

yeah, I know, but that's on "servers"

[16:36]

:-)

[16:36]

the neuros only has usb 1.1 afaik, so it doesn't have quite the same bandwidth as a normal pc

[16:37]

all these limitations!! it's all good, working now

[16:37]

moving a VHS video from 1994 over now

[16:37]

glad to hear it

[16:37]

ah

[16:37]

presumably you've updated the firmware ?

[16:38]

yes, I updated about five days ago, anything new since then?

*shrug*

i'm only a user

heh

i thought perhaps you had just bought one

[16:38]

(hence all the problems!)

[16:39]

bought it last week, couldn't get it to mount samba shares from my home linux server (server problem, old old RH 7.3 install)

[16:39]

ah, mine mounts samba fine

[16:40]

seems to lock up / freeze about 5%-10% of the time or something, which is annoying.

[16:40]

yeah, well, in 1998 I built a home server to be my firewall and storage node, it's still running - albeit with a new fan, psu and drive or two along the way

[16:40]

sounds familiar

[16:40]

mine now lies on it's side under the tv, with teh neuros on top

[16:40]

and now Steve Jobs copies ME! and gets all kinds of rave reviews ;-)

[16:40]

:)

[16:41]

that guy, always taking our home hacker ideas and getting rich with them

[16:48]

there's a new firmware update 3.33-1.73-02.814

[16:53]

interesting, this is supposed to be an official firmware release, but at the end of the download, it says that it's not

[16:59]

tsdan1: Does it? Odd

[17:00]

Have you got samba mounts working since?

[17:03]

<MattJ>

Samba works fine for me

[17:04]

Oh yeah, I remember, he's running an old RedHat7 server, the samba server is too old!

[17:17]

greyback: I canceled the upgrade after seeing the message "... this isn't an official release, but you probably know that"

[17:17]

I then restarted the download and it didn't say that the second time

[17:17]

the upgrade was successful

[17:18]

greyback: yeah, I'm the guy with the 7.3 server

[17:18]

I've got one server at work that running a 2000 version of freebsd, it's been up since May 4, 2004

[17:18]

:-)

[17:19]

tsdan1: What a strange message, I guess the md5/crc on the upk check failed

[17:19]

we are being forced to take it down next week

[17:19]

yeah, maybe that caused the message, shrug

[17:19]

Wow, and aww, what an amazing record

[17:19]

transfering my second ancient vhs tape to digital now - I went on a VIP carrier cruise on the USS Independence in February 1990 with my father and his friend from the navy

[17:20]

we watched "care quals" Carrier qualifications for two days - awesome

[17:20]

to wikipedia!

[17:21]

Ah, I see. Sounds cool, you've got that all on tape?

[17:21]

yeah, lots of take offs and landings

[17:22]

my dad was friends with the skipper of the ship

[17:22]

this might be a pretty cool youtube video come to think of it

[17:22]

Nice, that must've been amazing. Those ships blow my mind, they're just incredible feats on engineering

[17:22]

I'd love a look

[17:23]

what blows your mind is the coordination on a small flight deck

[17:23]

nothing, I mean, nothing happens out of sequence

[17:23]

the skipper put me out in the center area between the catapult and landing strip during flight ops - scary shit

[17:23]

no where to go if there's a problem

[17:24]

Failure isn't an option, to dig up my corny nazy quotes archive

[17:25]

navy

[17:25]

that's a book by Eugene Kranz of nasa / apollo 13 fame

[17:25]

sitting on the shelf to my left - navy, when? Crew, Pilot???

[17:26]

Well it came from somewhere ;) I'm a certified sofa-lout, lowest of the lowest: grad student!

[17:27]

Any quote I've got is from seeing stuff on tv. We've not got much of an army here in Ireland.

[17:28]

..in comparison with the US.

[17:28]

my brother went to the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin

[17:29]

and a couple gens back I'm from donegal

[17:30]

Not far from where I come from so! I'm a Sligo man myself. I'm in Dublin full-time now

[17:30]

cool, my brother and I hung out at "The Swan" near the college when I visited

[17:30]

he lived down in rings end

[17:31]

I know the Swan, I'd a pint there ages ago. Nice pub

[17:32]

heh, have one for me

[17:32]

guiness don't taste very good across the pond

[17:32]

I'll have more than one if you'd like ;)

[17:32]

No, I find that too

[17:33]

Can't beat it when it's made down the road.

[17:34]

absolutely, I'm jealous. Then again, it's 63 degrees and sunny here today

[17:34]

you're up late

[17:35]

It's rainy & cold here all week. Why do you think we as a people developed a pub culture?

[17:36]

It's 11.36pm here, I've a flu, staying in, actually doing some study

[17:36]

yeah... I've visited IRE three times in my life, good place, like it a lot

[17:36]

Glad to hear it!

[17:36]

the vid is now at the sunrise on Sunday am portion - my dad loved his time in the navy

[17:37]

so the pic is looking across the deck and planes into the sunrise, this is a long vid.. does utube accept > 10min vids?

google probably does

google does

k

<MattJ>

The white box with the XMMS2 logo in it - is that able to show cover art or something?

[17:44]

Yep, don't think it's working yet tho

[17:44]

<MattJ>

Ah, k

[17:45]

I'm also unsure whether it shows art embedded in files, or fpegs in the directory

[17:45]

think the formet

[17:45]

*former - man my typing sucks today

[17:46]

<MattJ>

Oh, seems it is a plugin

[17:50]

<MattJ>

xmms2covers: wiki.xmms2.xmms.se

[17:53]

Looks like an additional plugin, you give it song info, it gets you art. It's not in xmms2 by default

[17:54]

MP3s can have urls to, and even jpegs, embedded with the ID3 data, I figured that was used

[17:55]

Oh, xmms2covers is not even made yet.

[17:56]

Or is it? I'm confused now. It's in the Developer ideas section, but claims to have modules

[18:01]

<MattJ>

git.xmms.se

[18:02]

<MattJ>

Looks like it is usable, from the git logs

[18:04]

True, we'll have to see how compatible it is with our version of xmms2. I also heard something about iTunes restricting it's coverart catalogue. I wonder if it still works.

[18:05]

Just had a look, it's all in Python.

[18:13]

I'm hitting the sack, g'nite all.