[00:53]	<Orion>	crweb are you free to help me please?
[01:03]	<Orion>	Hi is anyone able to help me login to the ftp server. i have got as far as the readme takes me but cant login in firefox?
[01:04]	<nerochiaro>	Orion: i have never used it, but maybe you just need to use the login and password for the only user on the OSD (root/pablod)
[01:05]	<Orion>	have done that in telnet but cant get ftp page open in firefox or explorer, thanx though :)
[01:06]	<nerochiaro>	i assume you tried an address like root ?
[01:07]	<Orion>	ah..will try that..thanx...1 sec
[01:08]	<Orion>	no..just says page can not be displayd
[01:09]	<nerochiaro>	and with same login and password, you can access when you use a command line ftp client ?
[01:10]	<Orion>	your gonna have to bare with me.. i dont normaly try this stuff..just got interested... whats a good free command line ftp client please?
[01:11]	<Orion>	btw, thanx for your time :)
[01:12]	<Orion>	was thinking i could use ie or firefox!
[01:12]	<nerochiaro>	Orion: i was asking about cmd line because i thought that's what you used. i was actually meaning any "real" ftp client, not a browser like firefox or IE. there are dozens of FTP clients, just pick your favorite, depending on your platform
[01:12]	<nerochiaro>	i am asking you to use something that is not a browser just to be sure. i don't actually know if it helps or not. just one more idea to try
[01:14]	<Orion>	ok..am starting to understand a bit better now... my ubuntu system is still installing and updating, im on xp while i wait...
[01:15]	<Orion>	so any ftp prg ok then :)
[01:15]	<nerochiaro>	just give it a shot
[01:15]	<Orion>	ok...thanx for pointing me in the right direction, and sorry for being so vague..lol
[01:17]	<nerochiaro>	no problem. and try poke crweb later on, he may be able to tell you more
[01:18]	<Orion>	have tried..think hes bizzy..lol..ok...will leave you to get on...just downloading smart FTP
[01:19]	<nerochiaro>	i think he's not around at the moment
[01:19]	<Orion>	many thanx again for your time :)
[01:19]	<nerochiaro>	ok, later then
[02:04]	<JoeBorn>	hows it going everybody?
[02:05]	<nerochiaro>	hey Joe, saw the group picture of Xiamen, that was a pretty good idea
[02:05]	<JoeBorn>	everyone ready for the morning Neuros calisthenics lead by our fearless chairman gao?
[02:06]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: thank you.
[02:08]	<JoeBorn>	chairman gao told me that he made a new years resolution to spend more time on IRC.
[02:09]	<nerochiaro>	what is a calisthenics ? sounds pretty ominous
[02:09]	<JoeBorn>	exercises, jumping jacks.
[02:09]	<nerochiaro>	oh, i see
[02:09]	<JoeBorn>	we have a special breed at Neuros, we run around like headless chickens, bumping into each other and knocking each other down and such.
[02:09]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: flailing headless chickens
[02:11]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: indeeed.
[02:12]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: i didn't read the 2.0 plan yet. busy schedule these days. i'll find some time this week
[02:12]	<nerochiaro>	hope it's not a problem
[02:15]	<JoeBorn>	not a problem at all, but when you read it, you'll find there is a $150/day fine for not reading it promptly.
[02:17]	<JoeBorn>	but you are a wealthy man, I would not worry about such trivial matters.
[02:17]	<nerochiaro>	i'm smoking a cigar made with a roll of crisp 500EUR bills as we speak, why should i bother ?
[02:20]	<JoeBorn>	great!
[02:20]	<JoeBorn>	you must be one of those fellows from the SocGen group
[02:25]	<nerochiaro>	i worked in a company that got bought by them in the past, when that happened moved to nicer offices and we kept getting better hardware. (and we had frenchmen running around the place)
[02:26]	<nerochiaro>	might have been an effect of the money bills they were smoking
[02:29]	<JoeBorn>	could be.
[03:21]	<sitwon>	JoeBorn: If you can remember so far back... Were there ever any order numbers assigned for the frosted-clear beta OSDs?
[03:21]	<JoeBorn>	order number?
[03:22]	<sitwon>	I searched my email but all I have is a message from Keith at American Techpushers that they shipped my OSD, no order number
[03:26]	<sitwon>	long version: I orderd one of the early beta OSDs (frosted-clear case). Then at some point, you upgraded me to a the newer beta (clear plastic) then I stopped working on it for a while (work/schoo/girlfriend)
[03:27]	<sitwon>	when I dug it back up (to try compiling Theora to settle the discussion on the ML) I found that the serial-connector had snapped off the board somehow
[03:27]	<sitwon>	it looks like it just needs to be soldered back on
[03:27]	<sitwon>	but I'm not good with a soldering iron, I'm more likely to burn a hole in something
[03:28]	<sitwon>	so I contacted Neuros Support but they said I needed some sort of proof of purchase (like an order number) and I must have trown away the packaging and stuff more than a year ago
[03:30]	<sitwon>	I emailed American Techpushers but they never responded to me :(
[03:36]	<JoeBorn>	oh.
[03:36]	<JoeBorn>	I'll take care of it, just send me an email.
[03:37]	<JoeBorn>	sorry about that.
[03:43]	<sitwon>	awesome, thanks Joe!
[04:01]	<JoeBorn>	anyone know anything about the BBC's iPlayer?
[04:01]	<JoeBorn>	we're field an inquiry from them about getting the OSD/OSD2 to work with it.
[04:19]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: you there?
[04:19]	<sitwon>	JoeBorn: en.wikipedia.org it seems like the "iPlayer" in question would be the "streaming" version which is their response to the Windows-only criticism. It's based on Flash so it should be similar to what's already being done with youtube on the OSD
[04:19]	<JoeBorn>	well, it's probably higher resolution though I would assume?
[04:20]	<sitwon>	ofcourse, if you have a TV to plug the OSD into, and a british IP address (reqired) why not get your BBC shows from the airwaves?
[04:21]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: i'm here
[04:21]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: how can i help you ?
[04:21]	<sitwon>	I can't tell what the resolution is since I don't have a UK ip to test it
[04:21]	<JoeBorn>	sitwon: well I think it's a back catalog, on demand so to speak.
[04:21]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: what should I tell the BBC folks?
[04:22]	<JoeBorn>	what kind of docs would we need for this type of inquiry?
[04:22]	<JoeBorn>	which I am hoping to drive considerably more of.
[04:23]	<JoeBorn>	of course it will be of limited value if I get them interested if there's no further information for them :)
[04:23]	* JoeBorn  begins to sob quietly to self.
[04:23]	<nerochiaro>	i'm actually not clear on what the whole deal is. what did they ask you in the inquiry ?
[04:24]	<JoeBorn>	"please provide specs"
[04:24]	<JoeBorn>	or something to that effect :)
[04:24]	<JoeBorn>	perhaps I should just send him the exterior dimensions?
[04:25]	<JoeBorn>	well, they are looking to use our device to make their web content available to a TV set.
[04:25]	<JoeBorn>	I don't know that they know exactly how.
[04:26]	<JoeBorn>	either way, I suppose once I send him the exterior dimensions, and perhaps the weight of the unit, he can likely infer the rest.
[04:26]	<JoeBorn>	:(
[04:26]	<nerochiaro>	well, first thing we need to know what format they will stream their content with. or tell them what formats we support
[04:26]	<sitwon>	is it known what resolutions of flash video the OSD supports? maybe that's what they're asking for
[04:28]	<JoeBorn>	well, I would expect it's higher than the OSD can do, that's limited to QVGA the way we're doing it
[04:28]	<JoeBorn>	with the arm side xcoder, etc.
[04:28]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: well, but don't you think they'd potentially want to write their own app, I mean it's not just playing a stream, there's browsing, etc.
[04:30]	<nerochiaro>	yes, and there are a lot of ways they may want to go doing that. they can use our own software and base on that, or they can wipe the unit clean and put on that their own toolkit and write their own apps
[04:31]	<sitwon>	hmm... I hope they are planning on the former and not the later
[04:31]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, I think we should assume the former...
[04:32]	<nerochiaro>	we can tell them that right now if they want to base their sw on ours, they have the choice of using ether QT or our own nano-x based toolkit (neux)
[04:32]	<JoeBorn>	I think it's more realistic to assume that the BBC won't be getting in the HW business and it will be more of a application ported to our system
[04:32]	<sitwon>	JoeBorn: It should be relatively painless for them to offer a lower-resolution version of the shows they're already streaming
[04:33]	<sitwon>	a lot of websites offer lower res videos for "mobile" users anyways
[04:33]	<sitwon>	and the Streaming version is probably lower-res than the download version
[04:33]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: anyway, i'm thinking they will want to port an already existing app to browse and view their content, not making a new one from scratch to fit our system
[04:33]	<nerochiaro>	and that would probably mean getting their own toolkit/tools in place of ours.
[04:34]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: what makes you say that?
[04:34]	<sitwon>	nerochiaro: do you think they have any Linux software already written for it? they weren't even considering non-Windows until the community complained
[04:34]	<nerochiaro>	because they probably have some player/browser that works already and they think it's cheaper to keep that and port it
[04:35]	<nerochiaro>	just speculation of cours
[04:35]	<JoeBorn>	well, given that they are going to flash doesn't that kind of imply that they just want to use a standard that can work with multiple platforms?
[04:36]	<sitwon>	they probably expect us to be able to open a browser window to their iPlayer streaming site and let the user browse and watch through that existing web-interface
[04:36]	<JoeBorn>	seems like that seems to indicate they are kind of ditching the client app altogether, no?
[04:37]	<nerochiaro>	it maybe be like sitwon said. it's probably they want flash to run on the device and use it (even without a browser) to display the same UI they display on the web
[04:37]	<nerochiaro>	or something similar
[04:38]	<nerochiaro>	that would still be a client app. written in flash
[04:38]	<crweb>	we usage is very difficlut without a pointer device
[04:38]	<crweb>	sorry, web
[04:39]	<nerochiaro>	we can't even do flash, the lack of a pointer is the least of issues :D
[04:39]	<crweb>	especially flash. because flash doesn't have much for keyboard nav usually.
[04:39]	<JoeBorn>	well, ok but taking a step back.
[04:39]	<sitwon>	crweb: it looks like their website is layed out like a grid, it should work with a 4-way pad
[04:40]	<crweb>	ok yeah. flash on linux/arm is the #1 killer.
[04:40]	<JoeBorn>	how should we approach this documentation question, that I'm hoping to drive more inquiries to.
[04:41]	<sitwon>	what about the FSF's implementation, does that compile on linux/arm?
[04:42]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: going back to that, what more they need to know aside of what resolution/formats of video we support, and what do we use for GUI in case they want to make a GUI using the tools we have ?
[04:43]	<JoeBorn>	I'm not really sure, what do you think?
[04:43]	<JoeBorn>	in general what other type of questions might they have?
[04:46]	<JoeBorn>	wiki.neurostechnology.com
[04:46]	<nerochiaro>	aside of general speed/memory and related hw specs, maybe how hard is to support extra formats (i.e. impossible)
[04:46]	<JoeBorn>	is that reasonable current?
[04:48]	<sitwon>	JoeBorn: They might ask if you are willing/able to do the development for them, and if so, what you charge for custom development and how you are willing to license the code you develop for them
[04:49]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: there's a lot of docs that are just dumped there by Xiamen and not kept current. the setp and build guides are current. (and all is current only up to the point of TORFU software, nothing AZ is in there)
[04:59]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: also if they want to subcontract the work to someone, they likely will want to know if we can assign resources to follow the people who develop for them, i assume
[04:59]	<nerochiaro>	it's all pretty up in the air until they can be a bit more concrete
[05:00]	<JoeBorn>	well, the trouble is that we're in this mexican stand off now.
[05:00]	<JoeBorn>	each wants more information from the other.
[05:00]	<nerochiaro>	did't know it was called this way
[05:01]	<JoeBorn>	but I think the bottom line is that they are trying to figure out their plans, and they'd like to have some information on all the various alternatives
[05:01]	<nerochiaro>	well, we provide these details about what rez and formats we can play, hardware specs, info about GUI tools available. that seems decent enough to do our step of the standoff
[05:02]	<JoeBorn>	yes, that seems like a good step.
[05:06]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: probably make it clear we can't likely do flash UI
[05:06]	<nerochiaro>	better be honest up front i suppose
[05:07]	<JoeBorn>	sure
[07:00]	<vmarks>	good evening, JoeBorn
[10:36]	<mister_x>	join #amarok-meeting
[13:22]	<gremlin[it]>	ping nerochiaro
[14:25]	<MattJ>	.
[14:28]	<gremlin[it]>	hi MattJ !
[14:29]	<MattJ>	Hi gremlin[it] :)
[14:30]	<Orion>	Hi Mattj ;-) thanx for ur help last night, got ftp server working fine ;-) and reinstalled ubuntu, just having a folder permisions/access prob on usb drive in xp atm!...lol..think i will leave it untill after dinner ;)
[14:30]	<MattJ>	Orion: Sounds great :) See you later
[14:31]	<Orion>	k cheers, l8trs :)
[14:32]	<vmarks>	wooble!
[14:33]	<MattJ>	wooble!
[17:24]	<JoeBorn>	I really feel out of it, not knowing the latest IRC inside joke!
[17:25]	<MattJ>	JoeBorn: wooble? :)
[17:25]	<JoeBorn>	yeah. I'm feverishly googling now.
[17:25]	<MattJ>	You'll find it a bit closer to home
[17:25]	<MattJ>	See the mailing list :)
[17:26]	* MattJ  looks towards vmarks
[17:26]	<JohnDesigner>	a quest!
[17:27]	<JoeBorn>	oh boy!
[17:27]	* JoeBorn  becomes nervous
[17:27]	<MattJ>	:D
[17:28]	<JohnDesigner>	your mission should you choose to accept it is to discover the true meaning of Wobble
[17:28]	<JohnDesigner>	opps, i failed
[17:28]	<JohnDesigner>	its wooble
[17:29]	<vmarks>	hello!
[17:30]	<vmarks>	wooble.
[17:30]	<vmarks>	not wobble.
[17:30]	<vmarks>	Wooble.
[17:30]	<vmarks>	you see, I leave me personal stamp on things in and around the OSD world.
[17:31]	<MattJ>	vmarks: Do you even have an OSD? :)
[17:31]	<vmarks>	I do.
[17:31]	<vmarks>	I need to get it working again.
[17:31]	<MattJ>	Ah
[17:31]	<MattJ>	I thought you were one of the audio device users :)
[17:31]	<vmarks>	it sort of got stuck on one firmware and refuses to get good network to update ever again.
[17:31]	<MattJ>	Use a CF card
[17:31]	<vmarks>	and I'm waiting for the new stuff to put on my CF card in order to go for it.
[17:32]	<MattJ>	I see :)
[17:32]	<JohnDesigner>	I like the name
[17:32]	<MattJ>	JohnDesigner: That always helps :)
[17:32]	<JohnDesigner>	its catchy and unique. fun to say over and over
[17:32]	<MattJ>	wooble wooble wooble wooble wooble
[17:32]	<JohnDesigner>	dang, ya beat me to it :)
[17:33]	<MattJ>	:D
[17:33]	<MattJ>	The current look of the package manager GUI: wooble
[17:33]	<MattJ>	o-O
[17:33]	<MattJ>	wooble gets into unexpected places
[17:33]	<MattJ>	The current look of the package manager GUI: matthewwild.co.uk
[17:34]	<JohnDesigner>	neato
[17:34]	<JohnDesigner>	I'm messing around with the QT designer ATM
[17:35]	<JohnDesigner>	so I recognize the widgets :)
[17:35]	<MattJ>	I haven't even looked at the designer :S
[17:36]	<MattJ>	Seems the easy way :)
[17:36]	* MattJ  takes a look
[17:37]	<JohnDesigner>	MattJ: for making GUI layouts for an established OS it is
[17:37]	<MattJ>	What does it generate?
[17:37]	<MattJ>	Some layout file?
[17:37]	<JohnDesigner>	how to create custom styles has eluded me so far
[17:37]	<JohnDesigner>	hmm, not sure on the type of file it outputs
[17:38]	<MattJ>	Are all the apps on the OSD using this method?
[17:38]	<JohnDesigner>	not yet
[17:38]	<MattJ>	But they should be?
[17:38]	<JohnDesigner>	its a mixture of these .UI files and custom code
[17:38]	<MattJ>	Ah, k
[17:39]	<MattJ>	I created all the widgets in C++, wondering if I should have done differently
[17:39]	<JohnDesigner>	thats the idea, that the OSD would use these .UI layout files
[17:39]	<JohnDesigner>	Designer automates the layout process (for me certainly - I have no C experience)
[17:40]	<MattJ>	I think I'll see how easy it is to load these .UI files, and maybe switch to that
[17:40]	<MattJ>	Keeping the code and layout separate is a sane enough idea to me :)
[17:41]	<JohnDesigner>	trouble I'm having ATM is that a ton of variables exist to create spacing and rules, so each person may do it differently
[17:42]	<JohnDesigner>	and I dont know if all methods would work out the same way
[17:42]	<JohnDesigner>	MattJ: yeah, you should try it.
[17:43]	<JohnDesigner>	MattJ: if you become good at it, then I can pester you instead of crweb ;)
[17:44]	<MattJ>	:D
[17:44]	<MattJ>	Playing now
[17:48]	* MattJ  tries to work out how on earth to set the main window size
[17:48]	<MattJ>	Oooh... I just discovered there are a load of floating windows I missed :D
[17:57]	<JohnDesigner>	MattJ: the sequence of layout is a little to get used to
[17:57]	<MattJ>	Yeah :|
[17:57]	<MattJ>	I made a tree view
[17:58]	<MattJ>	5 columns
[17:58]	<MattJ>	I can't work out how to set the width of the columns
[17:59]	<JohnDesigner>	MattJ: I'd recommend just kaaping the main window size variable to start with, throw on your widgets, arrange them, then set a 'layout' (grid, vertical, or horizontal)
[17:59]	<JohnDesigner>	Although I should not be giving advice ;)
[17:59]	<MattJ>	:)
[18:00]	<MattJ>	You have used this thing more than I
[18:00]	<JohnDesigner>	I'm not very good at it is why
[18:01]	<JohnDesigner>	to fix a main window size, select it from either curso- selecting outside any widgets (click the dot grid) or select it in the property inspector
[18:02]	<JohnDesigner>	err, maybe its not called the property inspector. Whatever the top right side bar (in default config) is called.
[18:02]	<JohnDesigner>	then set the sizePolicy to 'fixed"
[18:03]	<JohnDesigner>	the QT assistant is robust. I know it as the 'help' system, but they call it an assistant
[18:38]	<vmarks>	How does Nokia buying Trolltech affect QT and OSD?
[18:42]	<Orion-Uk>	Mattj r u free?
[18:42]	<MattJ>	Orion-Uk: I am, kind of
[18:42]	<vmarks>	Are you being served?
[18:42]	<Orion-Uk>	dont worry if you are m8 :)
[18:43]	<Orion-Uk>	am just having a prob with the bagster x11vnc
[18:43]	<MattJ>	Ask away, but if I go silent it means I had to pop away for a minute or two :)
[18:43]	<Orion-Uk>	no prob matey...ty
[18:43]	<Orion-Uk>	.ok..
[18:43]	<Orion-Uk>	i have followed the video tut open.neurostechnology.com
[18:44]	<Orion-Uk>	but when it comes to copy and paste the command line info, i do it and i get an error message as follows...
[18:44]	<MattJ>	Hmm, hadn't seen that
[18:45]	<Orion-Uk>	./x11vnc: error while loading shared libraries: ./x11vnc: unsupported version 61256 of verneed record
[18:45]	<Orion-Uk>	lol
[18:45]	<MattJ>	That's strange
[18:46]	<Orion-Uk>	i am guessing its the same as what we talked about last night (kinda)
[18:46]	<MattJ>	Are you using a recent version of the firmware?
[18:46]	<Orion-Uk>	cos im a noob, it means nothing 2 me :-?
[18:46]	<Orion-Uk>	814
[18:47]	<MattJ>	It means nothing to me either :)
[18:47]	<Orion-Uk>	3.33-1.73-03.810 (sorry)
[18:47]	<MattJ>	Except that there is an incompatible version of a library it is looking for
[18:47]	<MattJ>	Ah, hmm
[18:48]	<Orion-Uk>	ok... am trying to access my osd via xp atm.. not brave ebuff to try it on ubuntu yet!..lol
[18:48]	<MattJ>	What was the command line you supplied?
[18:48]	<Orion-Uk>	./x11vnc -rawfb fb0 -pipeinput ./send_ir.sh -forever
[18:48]	<Orion-Uk>	svn.neurostechnology.com
[18:49]	<MattJ>	Very strange
[18:49]	<MattJ>	Did you download send_ir.sh too?
[18:49]	<MattJ>	Into the same place as x11vnc?
[18:49]	<Orion-Uk>	would being logged into my ftp app cause a prob? am transfering files atm aswell
[18:49]	<MattJ>	No, it should be no problem
[18:50]	<Orion-Uk>	yah.. put files on UBS/vnc/
[18:50]	<Orion-Uk>	lol..USB even :-}
[18:51]	<MattJ>	Hmph
[18:51]	<MattJ>	Well I can only imagine it is a firmware difference
[18:51]	<Orion-Uk>	i dl all the files on the page and just dumped em all in USB/vnc/
[18:51]	<Orion-Uk>	what was that link you sent last night showing me a way to do the same thing plz?
[18:52]	<Orion-Uk>	the firmware i have is a beta (youtube server info update)
[18:53]	<MattJ>	groups.google.co.uk and groups.google.co.uk
[18:53]	<Orion-Uk>	ty
[18:53]	<MattJ>	lpkg is a package manager I wrote, making an easy way to install programs on the OSD
[18:53]	<Orion-Uk>	think i will let you get on and give this a go...
[18:53]	<Orion-Uk>	....
[18:54]	<Orion-Uk>	cool..
[18:54]	<MattJ>	If the guy who got x11vnc working doesn't, I'm going to make a package for that
[18:54]	<Orion-Uk>	will drop you a line if i get stck, np if you cant reply m8..
[18:54]	<Orion-Uk>	thanx :)
[18:54]	<MattJ>	Ok, brb :)
[18:54]	<Orion-Uk>	know u prob have lots on right now ;-)
[18:54]	<Orion-Uk>	cool...am just floating :)
[20:40]	<JohnDesigner>	its another swoag sighting!
[21:13]	<chreekat>	hey everyone
[21:15]	<ljp>	hi
[21:17]	<vmarks>	?
[21:18]	* chreekat  blinks
[21:18]	* MattJ  winks
[21:18]	<chreekat>	i didn't have anything important to say, if you were wondering
[21:18]	<chreekat>	hehe
[21:19]	* MattJ  goes back to sleep
[21:37]	<chreekat>	oh, i found my wired port.. at eth2.. who decides these things?
[21:37]	<chreekat>	grumble
[21:58]	<Orion-Uk>	MattJ: ok..i confess... i dont have a CLUE what im doing..rotflmao ;-} have got the files on my MMC-card, but am lost from there, its what u get with noobs im afraid..lol. do i use telnet to login to OSD in xp/ubuntu or terminal in xp or what..lol...i know i know ....im a pain in da A$$ ;-) it says see your previos post, have u got the link 4 it plz, also, not sure what you mean by install via lpkg!..sorry.
[21:58]	<MattJ>	groups.google.co.uk and groups.google.co.uk
[21:59]	<MattJ>	2 posts
[21:59]	<MattJ>	2 links :)
[21:59]	<MattJ>	Windows + R, type: cmd
[21:59]	<MattJ>	Then: telnet <IP address of your OSD>
[22:00]	<Orion-Uk>	ok got that far (ty vmuch btw)
[22:01]	<crweb>	next VM release, you guys want vmware-server, virtualbox, or qemu ?
[22:01]	<MattJ>	Ooh
[22:01]	<crweb>	or vmware-server 2.0
[22:01]	<MattJ>	I only use vmware for your image
[22:01]	<MattJ>	Orion-Uk: Ok, did you put the lpkg.lpkg file on the OSD already?
[22:02]	<crweb>	vmware is probably a given, since i use it for my own dev machine I can just make an image.
[22:02]	<MattJ>	crweb: I use VirtualBox mostly, but I like qemu too
[22:02]	<crweb>	i just switched to 64bit vmware :)
[22:02]	<MattJ>	64bit is scary
[22:02]	<crweb>	lol
[22:03]	<Orion-Uk>	mmc-card/osdroot/
[22:03]	<Orion-Uk>	yah
[22:03]	<MattJ>	Orion-Uk: Ok
[22:03]	<MattJ>	In the telnet session, type: cd /media/mmc-card/osdroot
[22:04]	<Orion-Uk>	in that dir now
[22:04]	<MattJ>	Ok
[22:04]	<MattJ>	Now: tar xf lpkg.lpkg
[22:05]	<MattJ>	and then: . ./setup.sh (there is a space between the two dots)
[22:06]	<Orion-Uk>	note: you already have a lua config file, not overwritting...
[22:06]	<Orion-Uk>	done
[22:06]	<MattJ>	Hmm, ok
[22:06]	<MattJ>	Done this before?
[22:07]	<Orion-Uk>	tried..lol..as i said..complete noob (understand if its gonna take up too much of ur time) :)
[22:07]	<MattJ>	It's not :)
[22:07]	<Orion-Uk>	was tryinh allsorts of things lol
[22:07]	<MattJ>	Now, just run: lpkg
[22:07]	<MattJ>	Does it print out some help?
[22:08]	<Orion-Uk>	screen fills with info yah
[22:08]	<MattJ>	Great
[22:08]	<MattJ>	Now, if you haven't already: lpkg addfeed matthewwild.co.uk
[22:08]	<Orion-Uk>	can i copy txt from telnet to here 4 u?
[22:08]	<MattJ>	If you aren't sure, do: lpkg update
[22:08]	<Orion-Uk>	looks like a list of errors!
[22:08]	<MattJ>	Ok, paste it to pastebin.ca
[22:09]	<MattJ>	pastebin.ca
[22:11]	<Orion-Uk>	not used pastebin b4..just taking a look at it
[22:11]	<MattJ>	Ok
[22:11]	<MattJ>	Just put in the text, hit submit
[22:11]	<MattJ>	and then let me know what is in the address bar after that
[22:12]	<Orion-Uk>	pastebin.ca
[22:13]	<MattJ>	Strange
[22:13]	<MattJ>	Type: echo $PKGROOT
[22:14]	<Orion-Uk>	k
[22:14]	<MattJ>	Came back blank?
[22:14]	<Orion-Uk>	nothing happened yah
[22:14]	<MattJ>	Hrm...
[22:15]	<MattJ>	Try: rm /mnt/OSD/registry.lua.dat
[22:15]	<MattJ>	and then: . ./setup.sh
[22:15]	<MattJ>	Then see if you get anything back from: echo $PKGROOT
[22:17]	<Orion-Uk>	can not remove `/mnt/ost/registry.lua.dat` :no such file or dir
[22:17]	<MattJ>	/mnt/OSD/registry.lua.dat
[22:17]	<MattJ>	and OSD must be in capitals
[22:18]	<Orion-Uk>	permision denied
[22:18]	<MattJ>	rm /mnt/OSD/registry.lua.dat