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<MattJ>

Apparently crweb's stereo remote controls his TV, his TV remote his OSD, blah blah...

yes, but he's among the very few.

<MattJ>

But I don't have that problem, therefore I conclude crweb is a special case :)

and, his remote isn't an ipod touch.

think of it, showing the ipod touch or phone on gizmodo, acting as remote for your TV -- but only if you have an OSD!

<MattJ>

Muahaha!

do it, and the next time I come to london, I buy you a round at the pub.

<MattJ>

vmarks: I'm not even in London :D

even better!

:D

(where are you?)

<MattJ>

.

<MattJ>

The Midlands

<MattJ>

Middle-earth, as it was once called in some book or other :)

Hi, geographically handicapped. name something more specific?

<MattJ>

Confusingly, the Midlands is the name for the counties in the middle of England

<MattJ>

Slightly toward the west, near the border of Wales, you will find me :)

yes, but middle where? long? lat? towards....

ok.

see, now I know.

<MattJ>

You know where Wales is, but not the middle of England?

<MattJ>

Why do you always manage to take conversations off topic? :P

the time that I went through the middle of England, I drifted off to sleep, you see.

<MattJ>

Ah :)

off topic provides that there was a topic in the first place.

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<MattJ>

:)

<MattJ>

o_O

[15:12]

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I can never remember some of these icons.

<MattJ>

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well, the place I met MattJ is a strange place indeed, wolverhampton

<MattJ>

Indeed

<MattJ>

I try to avoid it, except when LRL is on :)

well, anyway, I'm looking for the hack level hack that we can promote and gage the response

* vmarks has said enough.

<MattJ>

It's been my opinion for a long time that the OSD isn't hackable enough

so we don't need it working with everything, just a few components to demonstrate the idear

MattJ: what limitations specifically?

<MattJ>

Well I've complained to crweb and nerochiaro about most things, no access to the scheduler was a big one

<MattJ>

That will be fine in AZ

<MattJ>

and so will access to the GUI

<MattJ>

I think those were the main things that were incredibly difficult on the current firmware

<MattJ>

(for the average hacker)

[15:16]

<MattJ>

Everything I do I split into libraries where possible, so other people can use my API to build their own things on top of easily

[15:17]

<MattJ>

and the web interface should be easy to code new modules for as well (you basically just drop in your module file, and it works)

[15:17]

that's good to know.

[15:18]

<MattJ>

I'm working on the package manager at the moment

[15:18]

<gremlin[it]>

what kind of packages ?

[15:18]

<MattJ>

Software packages, custom format

[15:19]

<MattJ>

tar files, basically, with some added directories for the package manager scripts

[15:20]

<gremlin[it]>

uhhh ... ok ... why something already used ?

[15:20]

<gremlin[it]>

why not ...

[15:21]

<MattJ>

groups.google.com

[15:21]

<MattJ>

I knew that question would always be the first asked :)

[15:21]

gremlin[it]: I put the profile box on your wiki page, but couldn't fill it out.

<gremlin[it]>

hi JoeBorn ! ... where's the link i fill up immediately :)

<gremlin[it]>

MattJ ehheheh ...

it's the user:gremlin page that you created.

hold on brb

<gremlin[it]>

MattJ really it's in python!??!?! early one was in bash but now (since 6 months at least) should be in C ...

<gremlin[it]>

subject is 'ipkg' ... :P

<MattJ>

The subject is LPKG

<MattJ>

.

<MattJ>

gremlin[it]: IPKG is in C? o_O

[15:26]

<MattJ>

It wasn't when I downloaded it a month or two ago

[15:27]

<gremlin[it]>

i'll check ...

[15:28]

<gremlin[it]>

yes is in C

[15:28]

* MattJ faints

[15:28]

<gremlin[it]>

ipkg-0.99.163

[15:29]

<MattJ>

I swear I have the Python ipkg on my HDD somewhere still :)

[15:29]

<gremlin[it]>

i never saw an ipkg in python ...

[15:31]

<gremlin[it]>

python never was a must on my devices .. (i was used with familiar distro for iPAQ) ... was bash stripts ... was terrible ... but small !

[15:31]

<gremlin[it]>

stripts -> scripts

[15:33]

<gremlin[it]>

by the way, in my opinion ipkg if far from perfect or good, but is well done for small devices, manage more than one feed of packages and is ready ;)

[15:36]

<MattJ>

Mine also handles more than one feed >.<

[15:36]

* MattJ needs to investigate the new ipkg

[15:36]

<MattJ>

Where can I find it?

[15:37]

<gremlin[it]>

a sec

[15:38]

<MattJ>

Found it

[15:38]

<gremlin[it]>

www.handhelds.org

[15:38]

<gremlin[it]>

PV=0.99.163

<MattJ>

It looks like I downloaded the wrong thing last time :)

<gremlin[it]>

ahahah ok

<gremlin[it]>

maybe was some took to build packages on a host ...

<MattJ>

It's called ipkg.py

<MattJ>

It has all the methods for managing packages

<gremlin[it]>

is part og ipkg-utils !

<MattJ>

.

<gremlin[it]>

mainly are tools used to build repository

[15:41]

<MattJ>

So what is your opinion of ipkg?

[15:42]

<gremlin[it]>

what it do, do well ...

[15:42]

<gremlin[it]>

in my opinion it have 2 advantage

[15:42]

<gremlin[it]>

1) is ready

<gremlin[it]>

2) is around since years and is widelly used ... so many bugs are already solved

<MattJ>

Indeed

<gremlin[it]>

it work well for upgrade and add ...

<gremlin[it]>

poor to have info about installed packages and downgrade

<MattJ>

Hrm

* MattJ wonders what to do

<MattJ>

Lpkg works fine

<gremlin[it]>

it work similar do dpkg of debian ... i'm used with rpm so some behavior i don't like ...

<MattJ>

and I have some things in it which ipkg probably doesn't, ie. package control

<gremlin[it]>

what u mean with package control ?

<MattJ>

For example you can easily "start", "stop", or etc. a package

<MattJ>

ie. a web server

<MattJ>

and since I am halfway through a GUI...