[11:53]	<vmarks>	hi progeny!
[12:38]	<nerochiaro>	progeny: the only place is in the source of the ir blaster kernel module and the ir learning application
[12:39]	<nerochiaro>	progeny: IIRC is a kind of a dump of the IR signal that was read during learning and that will be blasted out
[12:57]	<progeny>	hum
[12:57]	<progeny>	i see
[12:57]	<progeny>	thank nerochiaro
[12:57]	<progeny>	i'll trow a look
[12:57]	<progeny>	i've been unable to find irkey files allready done
[12:57]	<nerochiaro>	already done by others ?
[12:58]	<nerochiaro>	for some specific remote ?
[12:58]	<progeny>	yes
[12:58]	<nerochiaro>	aside of asking in the forums to see if someone else has the same remote as you, i don't know what else to suggest
[12:58]	<nerochiaro>	making them yourself manually is quite hard
[12:59]	<nerochiaro>	actually pretty impossible, probably
[12:59]	<progeny>	O_o
[13:00]	<progeny>	i need to use the learning code right?
[13:00]	<progeny>	i'm imagine its not even a plain text file
[13:01]	<nerochiaro>	you need to use the learning feature, yes
[13:02]	<progeny>	then its imposible to workarround a broken tv remote
[13:02]	<nerochiaro>	what happens is that when you put the OSD in learning mode, it catches the key signal from any remote that you point at it. then it store that signal on disk. when you want to use the IR blaster, it sends out the same signal
[13:02]	<progeny>	i understand that
[13:03]	<progeny>	but it should be posible handcraft a signal
[13:04]	<nerochiaro>	maybe if all the code to read/send the signal was open, yes. however there's a small part of that code that is running on the dedicated IR chip that we don't have in SVN
[13:04]	<nerochiaro>	but even then, i think it would be pretty hard. you would have to know how your remote works
[13:04]	<nerochiaro>	to a very low level detail
[13:04]	<MattJ>	progeny: How broken is the remote?
[13:05]	<nerochiaro>	i'm not expert in that stuff, but it seems pretty hard to me
[13:15]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: do you know if any reason exists for OSD to not allow AZ installation if the CFcard is below 128mb?
[13:16]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: in this case, the 'blank' CFcard's max capacity is 128mb, but usable space is 123mb (no data on card at all)
[13:16]	<JohnDesigner>	So the OSD sees < 128mb and won't install AZ to it
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: yeah, you're not the first to report that. it's a bug, i was going to discuss a bit with Gao when he come back from holyday
[13:17]	<JohnDesigner>	ahh, gotcha
[13:17]	<JohnDesigner>	thanks
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	no problem
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: but remind me again after Tuesday please, in case i forget
[13:18]	<JohnDesigner>	will do
[13:18]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: BTW, i have started Torment on your advice. Its pretty neat so far
[13:19]	<JohnDesigner>	although I am just out of the mortuary
[13:19]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: hope you can stand the so-so combat
[13:20]	<nerochiaro>	because it's not the focus, but in the latter stages there's quite a lot of it
[13:20]	<JohnDesigner>	ya, I spent a couple of hours reading up on various guides to get my bearings about the general concept
[13:21]	<JohnDesigner>	The writing is so good I don't think the lack of combat will be an issue
[13:21]	<nerochiaro>	it's not hard, it's just not quite well done
[13:21]	<nerochiaro>	as far as i could remember
[13:21]	<nerochiaro>	but anyway, the story and the setting are what matters there
[13:22]	<JohnDesigner>	ya, seems so. Its interesting thus far.
[13:23]	<progeny>	MattJ: sorry i was away, from the 9 numbers, 2 dont work
[13:23]	<progeny>	MattJ: and i asume the key code is easyly guessable having the rest
[13:24]	<nerochiaro>	progeny: so you can create the .irkey file, if most keys work
[13:25]	<progeny>	no, i cant complete the wizard
[13:25]	<progeny>	i can't press "1" 3 times
[13:26]	<nerochiaro>	progeny: patch it
[13:26]	<nerochiaro>	to skip the screens for the keys you don't have
[13:26]	<nerochiaro>	should be pretty trivial
[13:26]	<MattJ>	From when I looked at the code, I think it is
[13:28]	<progeny>	not a bad idea
[13:28]	<nerochiaro>	it's just a matter to see how does it move from one screen to the next and make it skip one
[13:29]	<MattJ>	iirc it calls a function 9 times
[13:29]	<progeny>	but after all, i'll have an uncomplete irkey
[13:29]	<progeny>	and i'll have to patch it with correct values
[13:29]	<MattJ>	I don't think it even uses a loop :|
[13:29]	<nerochiaro>	didn't you say you were going to guess the values ?
[13:29]	<nerochiaro>	MattJ: it doesn't
[13:31]	<progeny>	yeah, and you said its nearly imposible to craft the irkey
[13:31]	<progeny>	so how can i introduce and test my guessings?
[13:34]	<MattJ>	progeny: What are you going to guess it from?
[13:36]	<nerochiaro>	i thought you didn't have any of the keys. if you have some, you may be able to guess the others. to test them you add them to the irkey file where they're missing and then try recording to some channel that use these keys and see if send out these keys correctly.
[13:36]	<nerochiaro>	i don't know how hard that would be, sure easier than not having any key. but i suppose it's still not easy
[13:38]	<progeny>	i dont have them
[13:38]	<progeny>	but i plan to get them from the ir learning
[13:38]	<progeny>	with the keys that work
[13:38]	<nerochiaro>	that's what i meant, yes
[13:44]	<progeny>	well thanks for your help :)
[13:56]	<MattJ>	Hmm, what clock speed is the ARM?
[13:56]	<MattJ>	Hmm, I think it might be on the wiki...
[14:02]	<MattJ>	200MHz
[14:39]	<Scora>	Hello all - first time using IRC so I dont know if anyone can see this
[14:40]	<Scora>	I am trying
[14:40]	<Scora>	to set up a WIFI dongle on my OSD
[14:40]	<Scora>	with limited success.
[14:40]	<MattJ>	Hi Scora, welcome to IRC and #neuros :)
[14:41]	<Scora>	Hey - is there a better channel to discuss this topic or am I in the right place?
[14:41]	<MattJ>	If it's Neuros-related, you are in the right place :)
[14:42]	<MattJ>	I don't use wi-fi myself, but what problems are you having?
[14:43]	<Scora>	In installed the USB WIFI dongle, installed the driver, survey for wifi networks, and associated the OSD to my SSID
[14:43]	<Scora>	But whenever I try to have an IP allocated it times out saying DHCP does not allocate IP or it gives me a message that the LAN connection is absent
[14:43]	<Scora>	I even tried turning off my DHCP server and allocating IP's manually
[14:43]	<Scora>	with no success
[14:44]	<Scora>	I've been on nerocharios wiki page for days now
[14:45]	<Scora>	and I thought somewhere I saw the code to not have the OSD auto search for cable.
[14:45]	<Scora>	is that possible? Does anyone know?
[14:45]	* MattJ  goes to look at the wiki
[14:49]	<Scora>	I know there are issues with the USB drivers and the WIFI dongle. Unfortunately until I get the OSD hooked up into the network I wont be able to test out what features work and which ones dont. Is the device is associate with the correct network then I dont understand why OSD cant find the DHCP on the router. One wierd thing of note is that I for some reason when I do a search the DNS keeps defaulting to 192.168.1.
[14:51]	<Scora>	I've set up a lot of networks in my day and this one has me stumped. I've never worked with linux before so my knowledge is limited.
[14:51]	<MattJ>	Is that the address of your DHCP rserver?
[14:51]	<MattJ>	*server
[14:51]	<Scora>	right now my internal IP address for the DHCP server is 192.168.2.1
[14:53]	<MattJ>	Does ifconfig show anything useful?
[14:54]	<MattJ>	If it shows eth0 as well as your wifi interface, you may want to "ifdown eth0"
[14:54]	<Scora>	ifconfig rausb0 up is what I ran
[14:54]	<Scora>	hold one sec while I run it
[14:56]	<Scora>	if config gives me a lot of info. is there a way to scroll up?
[14:57]	<MattJ>	Shift+Page UP
[14:58]	<Scora>	on the osd? I am using the TV interface
[14:59]	<Scora>	Would this be easier if I hook it into my PC?
[15:20]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: we never got that driver to run properly, it won't get you online in a stable manner. at least we never been able to do that
[15:21]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: if you're talking about the RT73 driver, that is
[15:21]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: it's interesting that you did. What dongle do you have ?
[15:24]	<Scora>	it is based on the RT73 driver
[15:24]	<Scora>	I was able to get a stable association
[15:25]	<Scora>	i followed your instructiosn step by step
[15:26]	<Scora>	iwconfig rausb0 associates with my network
[15:26]	<Scora>	Nerochiaro: Where you able to DHCP to assign an IP in your tests?
[15:27]	<Scora>	Able to get DHCP
[15:28]	<Scora>	Nerochiaro
[15:28]	<Scora>	:i even tried static address
[15:35]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: i did all with static addressing
[15:36]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: DHCP is just one more complication. when trying to get basic networking going, first thing is going static
[15:36]	<nerochiaro>	in my opinion. if that works, you can put try dhcp
[15:36]	<nerochiaro>	so i suggest you try that
[15:37]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: regarding the dongle, can you give brand and model ?
[15:37]	<Scora>	DHCP was not able to give IP
[15:38]	<Scora>	and neither was static IP
[15:38]	<nerochiaro>	then i'm wondering if you really got it to associate in stable way
[15:38]	<Scora>	it is an Intellinet Wireless G USB Adapter
[15:39]	<Scora>	every time I ran iwconfig rausb0 it gave me an association
[15:40]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	I've just tried the Amazon.com mp3 download service. Using the Neuros with most of these mp3 files doesn't seem to work... They do work in the Windows (XP) Media Player. Looking at the mp3 file properties in Media Player, I see that the files that do not work show a bitrate of 320Kbps, and a codec of MPEG Audio Layer-3 242Kbps. The mp3 files that work however have identical Kbps. Has anyone else had this p
[15:41]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: how do you try to setup the address statically ?
[15:42]	<nerochiaro>	JoeNeurosOSD: that's strange. there should be no bitrate limit of what's playable on the OSD
[15:42]	<nerochiaro>	JoeNeurosOSD: i suggest you report a bug in bugzilla and attach one of these files that don't play to the bug if you can
[15:42]	<Scora>	nerochiaro: through the network setup in settings
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: try manually please, via console
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: ifconfig and company
[15:43]	<Scora>	ok will - brb
[15:44]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	nerochiaro: Yea, that's one problem, these are purchased mp3s.
[15:45]	<nerochiaro>	JoeNeurosOSD: doesn't amazon also give out free samples ?
[15:46]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	I'm not sure. I will look.
[15:48]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	nerochiaro: I will try to find a free amazon.com mp3 file that fails. If it does, I will submit a bug report.
[15:49]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	nerochiaro: I have a feeling that the free songs are lower bitrate, however.
[15:49]	<nerochiaro>	JoeNeurosOSD: if it happens only with commercial songs, put in the bug a download link for a song that fails, we can go and purchase it or something
[15:51]	<Scora>	nerochiaro:first time working with linux the command would be ifconfig with any variables?
[15:51]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	nerochiaro: Thanks! that makes this easier.
[15:51]	<nerochiaro>	JoeNeurosOSD: but if you can find a free failing download, it's better
[15:54]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: ifconfig rausb0 <ipaddress> netmask <netmask>
[15:57]	<Scora>	nerochiaro: I have to restart my router and set it up for static IP so I might drop out for a few minutes but I will return. ty for assistance
[15:57]	<nerochiaro>	Scora: ok
[16:02]	<JoeNeurosOSD>	nerochiaro: I've just downloaded the latest free song from amazon and it did not play on the Neuros www.amazon.com
[16:04]	<nerochiaro>	JoeNeurosOSD: can you please report a bug and attach the file ?
[16:07]	<GingerDog>	hi, quick note: my neuros seems to be a lot more stable lately, so thanks for the hard work you (I assume) have been putting into the firmware :) (running -beta)
[16:08]	<nerochiaro>	GingerDog: you're welcome
[16:08]	<nerochiaro>	GingerDog: i'll forward the thanks to the rest of team :)
[16:11]	<nerochiaro>	(be back in a while)
[16:19]	<vmarks>	I ought to try and revive my osd.
[18:33]	<MattJ>	vmarks: You ought indeed
[19:04]	<vmarks>	that I should.
[19:41]	<Xorlev>	vmarks: You need Chuck Norris to nuzzle it with his beard.
[21:34]	<daurnimator>	ohi