[00:09] <daurnimator> I want something very easy to carry around
[00:09] <daurnimator> and preferably long battery life
[00:09] <daurnimator> really looking at the x61
[00:09] <daurnimator> just the lack of touchpad
[00:09] <daurnimator> and smallish resolution
[00:14] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: I bet its cold in that van you live in down by the river!
[00:14] <JoeBorn> JohnDesigner: you know it
[00:14] <JohnDesigner> you should have that wizard on the side of the van whip you up a magic fireball or somethin
[00:16] <rillian> JoeBorn: btw, the latest beta gets really skippy when I have a usb flash drive plugged in, even when I'm not playing off it
[00:16] <rillian> that sound familiar?
[00:17] <JoeBorn> rillian: I'm not sure, this is a recent phenomenon?
[00:17] <JoeBorn> it's just with xmms2?
[00:17] <rillian> yes
[00:17] <rillian> well, I assume ti's xmms2. the default play interface
[00:18] <JoeBorn> yeah.
[00:18] <JoeBorn> I don't know, I just played audio off USB today, but I'm not sure what version of firmware.
[00:18] <JoeBorn> it's [beta] or [dev] ?
[00:18] <JoeBorn> do you know what version?
[00:18] <rillian> I didn't log in to see what was going on, just noticed it this evening
[00:18] <rillian> [beta]
[00:18] <rillian> let me check
[00:21] <rillian> 04.81t
[00:24] <JoeBorn> I can file a bug on it, any other details?
[00:26] <rillian> not really, had ~30 items in the playlist
[00:26] <rillian> had been up for ~24 hours
[00:26] <rillian> started getting glitchy playback about 10 minutes into the play queue
[00:27] <rillian> remote control was even less responsive than usual
[00:27] <rillian> removing the usb flash drive made the problem go away
[00:29] <JoeBorn> bugzilla.neurostechnology.com
[01:28] <rillian> ta
[01:33] <nerochiaro> rillian: it happened to me and others too, but it's totally random. It was given me an hard time when i was working on it
[01:34] <nerochiaro> I had to drop that bug to move to higher priority items
[01:34] <nerochiaro> a workaround is to simply press pause and then pause again, the stuttering will go away
[01:34] <nerochiaro> at least it did for me
[01:35] <rillian> does it come back later?
[01:35] <rillian> can you just make the playback buffer bigger?
[01:36] <nerochiaro> it may, it's pretty unpredictable. the problem is not just the size of the buffer, it's that it should not stutter in that way when it underruns it. it should do one single long-ish moment of silence and then pick up with enough data to not stutter anymore for a good while
[01:37] <nerochiaro> it probably depends on speed of USB drive how much buffer one needs, and it's hard to get a value that will make every drive happy
[01:38] <nerochiaro> it should be user-tweakable in the xmms2 config file though. stop xmms2, edit that file, restart it. or use the "xmms2" cmd line client from telnet. it has a way to
[01:38] <nerochiaro> change config values at runtime
[01:39] <rillian> ok, I'll play with it
[01:39] <nerochiaro> rillian: thanks, please add your findings to the bug that Joe opened, if you find some solution
[02:10] <Orion-Uk> JohnDesigner:Having created mapped shortcuts (shares) I press the BACK button on my remote and the OSD freezes up on me :P
[02:11] <JohnDesigner> its not supposed to do that
[02:11] <JohnDesigner> heh, um
[02:12] <Orion-Uk> mmm has done it a few times on me..lol.. just thought you might pass on the info if you spk 2 crweb
[02:12] <Orion-Uk> ;-)
[02:13] <JohnDesigner> Will do. If that is repeatable (sounds like it is) a bug report would be most helpful
[02:13] <Orion-Uk> good morining btw :)
[02:13] <Orion-Uk> will do...just wondered if u eva come accross it?
[02:16] <Orion-Uk> also, after it froze, rebooted OSD.. used the >i< connect share option you told me about last night, after reconnecting all shares it froze again!.. will do a bug report, never done one before, what do i do? bugzilla oslt!
[02:17] <JohnDesigner> Orion-Uk: good morning to you also. Nope, I have not come across that one yet, but I haven't tested AZ to that extent yet
[02:17] <Orion-Uk> k
[02:18] <JohnDesigner> bugzilla.neurostechnology.com
[02:18] <Orion-Uk> ty :)
[02:19] <JohnDesigner> make an account (its quick), then the bug report form should be pretty self explanatory as there is a basic and advanced version.
[02:19] <JohnDesigner> Orion-Uk: Thanks Much!
[02:19] <Orion-Uk> am floating around 2day so gonna have time to realy go through this baby 2day, and see whats a bug n whats me! lol ;-)
[02:20] <Orion-Uk> np :)
[02:43] <Orion-Uk> JohnDesigner: mind if i run something by you quickly? am typing out a bug report atm but you might know a quick fix, np if you cant help.. will just file the report and factory reset!
[02:45] <Orion-Uk> Having created mapped shortcuts (shares) I press the BACK button on my remote and the OSD freezes up on me! One thing I have found is after initially creating all of your shares DONT press back key on remote, press the home key instead, then (and only after) you can go to and from your shares with no issues!... I take that back! after doing this, I click on play.browse, the red swerly circle does its thing in a loop but
[02:49] <nerochiaro> but ?
[02:50] <nerochiaro> DeepB: you there ?
[02:53] <Orion-Uk> *doing a factory reset and adding Az again!
[03:25] <Orion-Uk> lol.. factory reset worked fine, (in my lack of understanding, i did not need to add Az again) :P after factory reset i can browse shares again (after recreating them) :))
[03:25] <nerochiaro> it may be that you had one bad entry for some reason. factory reset cleared them all
[03:26] <daurnimator> hmmm, very small offtopic question
[03:27] <daurnimator> I've got a function, addSongToPlaylist, it accepts a song object, and a playlist object
[03:27] <daurnimator> which should be the first, and which should be the second parameter
[03:27] <Orion-Uk> oic..ty... have added a bug reprt and updated forums.neurostechnology.com ty nero :))
[03:27] <nerochiaro> daurnimator: like it matters
[03:27] <nerochiaro> Orion-Uk: thanks
[03:28] <daurnimator> i'm having alot of trouble choosing
[03:28] <daurnimator> its such a small thing
[03:28] <daurnimator> hmmm, maybe I should make it a method of the playlist object
[03:28] <nerochiaro> daurnimator: exactly
[03:32] <daurnimator> heh, I think I'm going to be in trouble
[03:32] <daurnimator> I've coded about 500 lines of code
[03:32] <daurnimator> and I haven't tested or debugged anything
[03:33] <nerochiaro> that's not necessarily wrong, but still
[04:04] <daurnimator> ha
[04:04] <daurnimator> that wasn't too bad
[04:04] <daurnimator> only a couple of small fixes
[04:31] <daurnimator> nerochiaro: you able to help me with nfs and my osd
[04:32] <nerochiaro> try asking
[04:32] <daurnimator> $ mount -t ntfs 192.168.200.101:/osd /media/nfs -o rw,nolock,tcp,nfsvers=3
[04:32] <daurnimator> mount: mounting 192.168.200.101:/osd on /media/nfs failed
[04:33] <daurnimator> my /etc/exports on my desktop has "/osd 192.168.200.99 (rw)"
[04:33] <daurnimator> (and yes, those ips are correct)
[04:33] <nerochiaro> ntfs or nfs
[04:33] <nerochiaro> ?
[04:36] <daurnimator> nfs
[04:37] <nerochiaro> you said "-t ntfs" it should be "-t nfs"
[04:38] <daurnimator> ah haha
[04:39] <daurnimator> damn, same error anyway
[04:39] <crweb> the -o should come before the mount points
[04:39] <crweb> "shouldn't matter", but could
[04:39] <nerochiaro> i think you lack some options on the exports line too
[04:40] <crweb> nah, only rw should be fine... the system will default the rest
[04:41] <daurnimator> crweb: didn't do anything
[04:41] <crweb> mount -v -t nfs
[04:41] <crweb> see what that says
[04:43] <crweb> hah, for a house with no outside wall insulation, we are holding at 54 degrees F
[04:43] <crweb> not in our rooms though.. below freezing in a few of the rooms
[04:44] <daurnimator> crweb: nothing by itself
[04:44] <daurnimator> and -v in my above command changes nothing
[04:44] <crweb> it is suppose to output more info
[04:45] <daurnimator> well, it doesn't
[04:46] <crweb> media/nfs exists?
[04:46] <daurnimator> empty folder, yes
[04:46] <crweb> just mount -t nfs 192.168.200.101:/osd /media/nfs
[04:47] <daurnimator> o.o
[04:47] <daurnimator> mount: 192.168.200.101:/osd failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
[04:48] <crweb> well, there you go
[04:48] <crweb> check your ip again, and the rights on the folder you are trying to share
[04:49] <daurnimator> desktop is very much 101
[04:49] <daurnimator> osd is very much 99
[05:20] <crweb> then its your PC side denying permissions
[13:01] <gremlin[it]> hi all !
[13:02] <gremlin[it]> hi JohnDesigner
[13:02] <JohnDesigner> hiya gremlin[it]
[13:17] <JoeBorn> hi all
[13:18] <JoeBorn> question on linuxquestions forum that it would be great to see answered
[13:18] <JoeBorn> www.linuxquestions.org
[13:18] <JoeBorn> anyone here a member?
[13:20] * MattJ  is
[13:27] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: i'm not having any problems even formatting the drive in linux with mkfs.vfat and then using it with the OSD. it just works
[13:27] <JoeBorn> do you mind posting that?
[13:28] <nerochiaro> sure
[13:30] <MattJ> k, I would post the same... I share a 400GB FAT32 HDD on the OSD with Ubuntu easily
[13:31] <nerochiaro> i tried just with cards, but should be exactly the same thing
[13:49] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: still there ?
[14:02] <Orion-Uk> can anyone help please?.. i tried to downgrade to osd-3.33-1.73-02.814.upk but am stuck in a loop with osd saying ... unable to read the update package from your storage media ??
[14:03] <nerochiaro> try formatting the media and putting the package on it again
[14:04] <Orion-Uk> ok.. the osd keeps asking me if i wanna format cf card then i get the other message!... will try that quickly now..thanx..its on a usb pen drive.
[14:04] <Orion-Uk> ty nero :)
[14:05] <nerochiaro> uh wait
[14:05] <Orion-Uk> k
[14:05] <Orion-Uk> ...
[14:05] <nerochiaro> no wait, you should use a card to do the upgrade
[14:05] <nerochiaro> in case the OSD is stuck
[14:05] <Orion-Uk> sorry? u mean copy the package to cf card?
[14:08] <Orion-Uk> just incase im miss understanding... i had arizona on, osd kept freezing up so i tried to downgrade to osd-3.33-1.73-02.814.upk via a usb stick, then osd formatted cf card and wont load osd-3.33-1.73-02.814.upk from usb stick.
[14:08] <Orion-Uk> so are u saying copy osd-3.33-1.73-02.814.upk to cf card or usb stick?
[14:11] <nerochiaro> to card, and put it in a file named /newpackage/r3.upk
[14:12] <nerochiaro> (there are instructions to do this on each firmware post on open.neurosaudio.com, i think)
[14:12] <Orion-Uk> ok... will try that.. ty nero :>
[14:13] <nerochiaro> you're welcome
[14:20] <Orion-Uk> Nerochiaro is a star* :> have a few drinks on my buddy ;-) [_] [_] [_] ...dont get caught drinking on the job though!..lol downgrade running fine now, thanks :)
[14:20] <nerochiaro> no problem. and thanks for the beer
[14:21] <Orion-Uk> whos to say its not Jack D ;-)
[14:21] <Orion-Uk> lol
[14:22] <nerochiaro> well, you didn't say, so I asked the bartender a pint of red beer
[14:22] <nerochiaro> :)
[14:22] <nerochiaro> i'm a beer person
[14:23] <Orion-Uk> OSD froze 2 many times with Az so gonna wait untill its more stable. save me keep buggin u guys each time i get a prob..lol
[14:24] <Orion-Uk> cool, I get p^&^$d toOOO quick on beer... and its way to gasy, i can drink J D`s ALL night long.. ;-)
[14:24] <Orion-Uk> hay what ever keeps a guy happy right :)
[14:24] <Orion-Uk> 3-4 beers n im on the floor, a bottle of JD, no prob !!!
[14:25] <Orion-Uk> anyways, thanx for all the hard work (to all u guys) keep it up :)
[14:25] <Orion-Uk> catch you laters ok :)
[14:28] <nerochiaro> later :) and thanks
[16:55] <luchalibre383> hello
[17:01] <JoeyBorn> hi all
[22:41] <crweb> JohnDesigner: ping
[22:42] <JohnDesigner> pong
[22:42] <crweb> JohnDesigner: I'm in discussion with steven about Xim "tooltip" popup
[22:43] <MattJ> crweb! XIM! Popup! :D
[22:43] <crweb> If you click on edit box, and Keyboard Opens, Keyboard should display a tooltip. for exampe. you click Edit on Password Input, Keyboard will display "Please input Password"
[22:43] <crweb> I think we should throw this out
[22:43] <crweb> I doubt seriously if user is going to forget he/she clicked on "Edit password"
[22:44] <JohnDesigner> one sec pls
[22:44] <crweb> Waste of screen realistate, plus the only recommended implementation breaks Qt compat
[22:44] <crweb> np
[22:44] <MattJ> crweb: When you press the Xim key in AZ, what happens? It creates a context menu?
[22:45] <MattJ> I asked you last just before your power went out :(
[22:45] <crweb> yes it does
[22:45] <crweb> it opens a QMenu
[22:46] <MattJ> k, centered on the screen I guess? (I haven't seen AZ yet)
[22:49] <crweb> it can be placed where ever you code it to, but now it is centered yes
[22:49] * MattJ  nods
[22:50] <JohnDesigner> crweb: I disagree about the potential for forgeting why you were operating the keyboard.
[22:51] <JohnDesigner> crweb: happens to me all the time. 'course i'm touchee in the head, so that might have something to do with it
[22:51] <daurnimator> MattJ: you any good with ajax?
[22:51] <daurnimator> (or anyone else here II guess)
[22:51] <MattJ> daurnimator: I use it in the web interface
[22:51] <daurnimator> whats the best ajax library?
[22:52] <daurnimator> also, can you tell me what you think of www.openlaszlo.org
[22:52] <MattJ> Hmm, something that lets you DIY :)
[22:53] <JohnDesigner> crweb: but if that breaks QT compatibility and there is no decent way around it, then crap
[22:53] <crweb> no its ok
[22:53] <crweb> I just have to repropose a freaking argument that I lost last time because nobody would listen
[22:53] <JohnDesigner> can i help?
[22:54] <crweb> who would have thought.. the qt guy knew what was going on ;)
[22:55] <JohnDesigner> crweb: wait a sec, XIM "tooltip" popup? Hmm, what is that?
[22:55] <crweb> ahh crap
[22:55] <crweb> did i confuse 2 topics
[22:56] <JohnDesigner> I mean I saw your explanation, but ..
[22:56] <JohnDesigner> crweb: not XIM related correct?
[22:56] <crweb> no, not xim related
[22:56] <crweb> virtual keyboard
[22:57] <JohnDesigner> Dialog box popup?
[22:57] <crweb> the virtual keyboard is suppose to display "Please Enter Password", Edit box below, GUI keys below that
[22:59] <JohnDesigner> crweb: gotcha. So it isn't an insurmountable challenge to make that "why using this keyboard" message?
[22:59] <crweb> no it isn't
[22:59] <crweb> Its a implementation issue
[23:00] <crweb> 2 routes, team wants to break compat, I want to keep compat and add a new compat system
[23:00] <crweb> of course, break compat "looks" easiest at the moment
[23:00] <crweb> but as always, it bites us in the ass
[23:00] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: FYI, I just IM'd with Sophia about the plastic housing to let her know.
[23:01] <crweb> ANd strangly enough, 2:00am, 02/14
[23:01] <crweb> That is tonight right?
[23:01] <JohnDesigner> crweb: yeah, won't breaking compatibility mean we do this dance again for the new HW?
[23:02] <crweb> no, it means we break 3rd party, and Qt Documentation
[23:02] <JohnDesigner> ahh
[23:02] <JohnDesigner> i see
[23:03] <crweb> holy crap.. i need some serious help, i can't read a calendar
[23:03] <crweb> what is today in xiamen?
[23:03] <crweb> like right now
[23:03] <JohnDesigner> 14th
[23:03] <JohnDesigner> 13:01
[23:04] <JohnDesigner> hmm is that correct?
[23:04] <crweb> ah ha
[23:05] <crweb> i put down 12am-8am sundays as start day. but actually its 12am-8am monday (sunday night)
[23:06] <JohnDesigner> yepper
[23:07] <JohnDesigner> its this crazy am/pm stuff that we USA folk use to be unique.
[23:08] <crweb> yay
[23:08] <crweb> back on schedule
[23:08] <crweb> makes much more sense now
[23:09] <crweb> kept reading "metting 02/14 2:00am" on xiamen's friday night
[23:20] <JohnDesigner> crweb: one day I will send you gas money and copious amounts of beer to travel here to set up my NAS and BT client situation
[23:21] <crweb> ok
[23:23] <JoeBorn> JohnDesigner: is that the solution that "gums up" your whole network :)
[23:23] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: the solution is crweb
[23:24] <JoeBorn> is he the "de gummer?"
[23:24] * JohnDesigner  recuses himself from yet another technical discussion he knows nothing about
[23:25] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: that sounds like a good one. I think we have a new nick for crweb
[23:25] <crweb> lol, joy
[23:26] <TheDeGummer> I'm the degummer, I sing a happy song!
[23:26] <TheDeGummer> I'm the degummer won't you all sing along?
[23:26] <TheDeGummer> I'm the degummer, I bang a gong
[23:27] <TheDeGummer> I'm the degummer falungong
[23:27] <TheDeGummer> *sigh*
[23:27] <JohnDesigner> I had no idea there would be a floor show tonight. Impressive! and no cover either!
[23:28] <HAL9000> Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
[23:29] <HAL9000> I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
[23:29] <crweb> i love that movie
[23:29] <JoeBorn> goodness!
[23:29] <crweb> and the 2nd one even more
[23:29] <HAL9000> Without your space helmet, Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult.
[23:30] <HAL9000> I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
[23:32] <JohnDesigner> I'm thinking there must be a way to make the
[23:32] <JohnDesigner> busy message be HAL
[23:33] <JohnDesigner> crweb: I agree, its one of my personal faves also
[23:34] <JohnDesigner> So from the main menu (or wherever), select an application, and HAL appears...
[23:34] <JohnDesigner> "I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do."
[23:38] <JohnDesigner> JoeBorn: to (attempt to) answer your degumm question, the solution lies in reducing the amount of slot-thingys that allow other stuff to do things.