[00:29]	<Xorlev>	JoeBorn: vmark's iso is in /home/vmarks-tmp on OdNT
[13:43]	<gremlin[it]>	hi all
[13:45]	<vmarks>	hello
[13:46]	<gremlin[it]>	hi vmarks
[13:48]	<vmarks>	how are you?
[13:53]	<gremlin[it]>	about fine,
[13:53]	<gremlin[it]>	but i think will be hard to have OSD powered by OE for FOSDEM ... damn!!!
[13:54]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: what's the issue this time ?
[13:57]	<gremlin[it]>	well i suppose many issues i got about shared memory was cause different libc/libgcc between my image and neuros firmware ...
[13:57]	<gremlin[it]>	so i'm tryin to make OE build and use neuros toolchain ... but toolchain don't compile well :S
[13:58]	<nerochiaro>	you may want to check crweb, he managed to recompile entirely recently
[13:58]	<nerochiaro>	the toolchain, i mean
[13:58]	<nerochiaro>	but he had to use a specific distro, Slackware i think
[13:59]	<nerochiaro>	because on the one he used some tools had some different behaviour
[13:59]	<gremlin[it]>	we talked a few ...
[13:59]	<nerochiaro>	that broke the build
[13:59]	<nerochiaro>	ah, ok
[13:59]	<gremlin[it]>	ahhhh .. what u say is a news for me ...
[13:59]	<gremlin[it]>	usualy what time can i meet crweb ?
[14:00]	<nerochiaro>	morning in italy
[14:00]	<gremlin[it]>	ok
[14:00]	<gremlin[it]>	i try to be on IRC tomorrow at work
[14:00]	<gremlin[it]>	btw ... at now i have a couple of missing symbols on libgcc !!!
[14:01]	<gremlin[it]>	already resolver some "compatibility" with OE and softfloat issue ...
[14:03]	<nerochiaro>	not sure about the specific errors, he did the work himself
[14:03]	<gremlin[it]>	ehh toolchains are quite wild beasts :P
[14:05]	<gremlin[it]>	was crweb that also manage software packaging ? ...
[14:05]	<nerochiaro>	software packaging ?
[14:06]	<gremlin[it]>	mhhh such as .rpm or .deb ... he do .lpk
[14:07]	<nerochiaro>	ah, no
[14:08]	<nerochiaro>	.lpk (the lua package manager ?) is from MattJ, not crweb
[14:10]	<gremlin[it]>	hahahah ... i have a terrible memory about names
[14:11]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: :)
[14:13]	<gremlin[it]>	i have to attach a name to a face to remember well :)
[14:16]	<vmarks>	gremlin[it], my face is at victormarks.com
[14:17]	<nerochiaro>	vmarks: didn't know you were in politics
[14:17]	<vmarks>	I was briefly.
[14:17]	<vmarks>	I sleep very easy at night not being in office.
[14:17]	<vmarks>	especially with the two embezzlement scandals discovered on my opponent's watch.
[14:19]	<gremlin[it]>	hahah ... you seem a perfect politicians!
[14:19]	<vmarks>	no such thing.
[14:20]	<vmarks>	just better than some. I imagine worse than others.
[14:20]	<gremlin[it]>	i also have many pics on web ... but recently what i prefer are these picasaweb.google.com
[14:21]	<vmarks>	very nice.
[14:21]	<vmarks>	I may run for election again.
[14:21]	<vmarks>	but not for a few years.
[14:22]	<nerochiaro>	vmarks: at what level where you ?
[14:22]	<vmarks>	I ran for state legislature and county school board
[14:24]	<vmarks>	my first run for office, I got 4.5% of the vote in a three way race. My second time, 39%
[14:24]	<vmarks>	so I've never won. but that's ok.
[14:24]	<nerochiaro>	big jump between the two times
[14:24]	<vmarks>	Yes, it was a big improvement.
[14:27]	<nerochiaro>	well, good luck next time :)
[14:27]	<vmarks>	thank you
[14:33]	<vmarks>	I'll be sure to solicit donations when I campaign next :)
[14:34]	<nerochiaro>	i am not a citizen, you should look nearer ;)
[14:35]	<nerochiaro>	us citizen, that is
[14:35]	<vmarks>	if Mrs. Clinton can take donations from Chinese ...
[14:35]	* vmarks  jokes.
[14:35]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[15:08]	<vincenzio>	here I am.
[15:08]	<vincenzio>	hi john.
[15:09]	<JohnDesigner>	allo vincenzio
[15:09]	<vincenzio>	how are you my friend?
[15:12]	<JohnDesigner>	vmarks: getting by find and dandy. Looks like the coming weeks will be monumentaly busy with GUI and ID related work
[15:12]	<vmarks>	that's a good thing!
[15:12]	<vmarks>	unless you'd rather be not busy and not working.
[15:12]	<vmarks>	:)
[15:12]	* vmarks  likes thinking of things as binary even if they are not.
[15:13]	<JohnDesigner>	yeah, Its a good thing.
[15:14]	<JohnDesigner>	many of the previously unknown variables have been defined with logically pleasing results, so that is a comfortable situation to work within
[15:15]	<JohnDesigner>	such as the Dev Kit for the new HW will be a standard mini-itx case. This should allow modders and hackers the ability to add peripherals easier
[15:21]	<nerochiaro>	and it won't take as much space on my desk as these fugly dvd-player sized case
[15:21]	<vmarks>	your desk space is of no concern.
[15:22]	<nerochiaro>	all your desk space are belong to us, anyway
[15:22]	<vmarks>	if your desk is full, it indicates time to go get a refreshing beverage.
[15:23]	<JohnDesigner>	hehe
[15:23]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: i assume there will be a reset button this time ?
[15:24]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: or do i have to unplug it to power cycle ?
[15:25]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: don't know how that would work on the DevKit, but the devkit housing will have power button of course
[15:25]	<JohnDesigner>	if that power button is connected to anything is unknown to me :)
[15:26]	<nerochiaro>	it's reassuring, at least
[15:27]	<JohnDesigner>	the final product does not have a reset button AFAIK. However having at least one of those inset push-with-paperclip reset buttons would be helpful?
[15:27]	<gremlin[it]>	YES!!!
[15:27]	<JohnDesigner>	the final product will not have an obvious power button tho
[15:27]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: i prefer a power button on the back or something. not reset, and hard power button
[15:28]	<nerochiaro>	to shut it down for good
[15:28]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: maybe you can hack yours to have that :)
[15:29]	<nerochiaro>	with my level of hardware-hacking-fu i will surely set one of my cats on fire just by thinking about it
[15:29]	<JohnDesigner>	you could spare *one* of those cats tho right?
[15:30]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: i ask because i'm all green and environmental friendly, not because i'm lazy really. things that stay in stand by when they don't need to are evil. especially if the standby is not a real standby
[15:30]	<JohnDesigner>	we should sell one of those little solar panel thingys connected to a tiny UPS battery. As an accessory to the OSD.
[15:30]	<nerochiaro>	but the CPU keeps running with an heavy screen saver crunching
[15:31]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: sorry I can't hear you over the roar of my Hummer's engine..environwhat?
[15:31]	<nerochiaro>	:D
[15:32]	<nerochiaro>	but i was actually mostly serious, even if it didn't like so
[15:32]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: hmmm, i recall some mention of eliminating passthru or some such
[15:32]	<nerochiaro>	what good would that do ? (aside of the horrible clunking noise that goes away)
[15:33]	<nerochiaro>	(that noise scared the hell out of me when i first got my unit)
[15:33]	<JohnDesigner>	I was not "listening for retention" to that
[15:33]	<JohnDesigner>	to that part of the discussion
[15:34]	<vmarks>	you were surfing porn links again.
[15:34]	<vmarks>	darnit, in meetings that's just inappropriate.
[15:34]	* vmarks  solders a reset button to nerochiaro's desk.
[15:34]	<JohnDesigner>	you don't find the *snap* click sound to be reassuring feedback? ;)
[15:35]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: sure, i like things that click and whirr. that must be why i installed extra-silent fans in my PC case.
[15:35]	<JohnDesigner>	vmarks: it was my local pr0n collection anyway, so it was faster
[15:35]	<vmarks>	oh, well, in that case..
[15:35]	* nerochiaro  resets his desk, thanks vmarks
[15:39]	<MattJ>	:o
[15:39]	<MattJ>	The click
[15:40]	<MattJ>	I like it
[15:40]	<gremlin[it]>	mhhh ... reset the desk ... mean clean it ?!?!?! ... i want a reset-the-desk button too !!!!
[15:41]	<JohnDesigner>	MattJ: ya, in truth, I don't have an opinion about the click. However, that click has a limited # of cycles and could fail.
[15:41]	<JohnDesigner>	err,...fail in many many many years of lovely OSD use
[15:42]	<MattJ>	:(
[15:42]	<nerochiaro>	does it go out in a puff of smoke or just stop working. i'd like the former
[15:43]	<MattJ>	The solution is to build in the alternative circuitry, but keep the relay
[15:43]	<MattJ>	Just to make the click
[15:44]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: there is a puff of smoke, then it starts talking:
[15:44]	<JohnDesigner>	I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear
[15:44]	<JohnDesigner>	it I can sing it for you.
[15:45]	<MattJ>	I think we just decided on a nice easter egg for AZ :P
[15:45]	<MattJ>	JohnDesigner singing Daisy
[15:45]	<nerochiaro>	At least it goes back to working, with an erased personality :)
[15:45]	<JohnDesigner>	It's called "Daisy."
[15:46]	<JohnDesigner>	Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you...
[15:47]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: Hmmm, as an alternative to the busy message, HAL could be a replacement for the upgrading screen
[15:48]	* JohnDesigner  notes this for AZ4
[15:49]	<nerochiaro>	just be on the lookout for Sir Clarke to sue your arse for copyright infringement
[15:53]	<vmarks>	sir clarke won't mind, long as he's paid.
[15:55]	<nerochiaro>	we aren't paying, that's exactly the point
[16:00]	<vmarks>	well, don't tell him.
[16:00]	* vmarks  jokes.
[16:01]	<gremlin[it]>	night all 1
[16:01]	<gremlin[it]>	!
[16:06]	<JohnDesigner>	Screw that guy and everyone that looks like him. Our version would not have anythying to do with any movie, HALL0009 is a Neuros creation.
[16:06]	<JohnDesigner>	see ya gremlin[it]
[21:04]	<yanvrno>	Hello all
[21:07]	<yanvrno>	I received my CF cards today but they do not seem to be large enough to work. it read them as 123.6MB but the new OS looks for 128MB
[21:07]	<MattJ>	yanvrno: That is a known bug I think, you may have to wait until the next 'release'
[21:08]	<yanvrno>	not impressed
[21:10]	<daurnimator>	not impressed about a free CF card?
[21:10]	<daurnimator>	wtf is wrong with you
[21:10]	<MattJ>	or not impressed about the unreleased firmware?
[21:10]	<MattJ>	It's not ready to be used yet
[21:10]	<MattJ>	There wasn't even an official announcement about the one that exists, as far as I know
[21:11]	<yanvrno>	Seems like that would have been an easy catch before release
[21:11]	<daurnimator>	it hasn't been released
[21:11]	<MattJ>	I told you, there hasn't been a release
[21:11]	<MattJ>	It's a development version that is available
[21:12]	<daurnimator>	you buy a product --> its awesome, you're happy
[21:12]	<daurnimator>	maker adds a feature, and gives you a FREE CF card, and theres a delay --> you complain
[21:13]	<yanvrno>	I complain about the obvious oversite
[21:13]	<daurnimator>	it hasn't been RELEASED YET - there is no oversite
[21:13]	<MattJ>	yanvrno: The developers don't necessarily develop on the OSD itself
[21:14]	<MattJ>	There has been no testing either
[21:14]	<MattJ>	Just learn some patience, wait for a release, and try it then
[21:24]	<yanvrno>	Then why would they send out CF cards and instructions of how to upgrade without a headsup of this known issue.
[21:24]	<MattJ>	How does it say to upgrade?
[21:26]	<yanvrno>	go to firmware upgrade upk from SDcard or USB with CF card installed in slot
[21:27]	<MattJ>	Where did you get the upk?
[21:27]	<yanvrno>	You sure would have thought someone would have tried it
[21:28]	<MattJ>	Someone has, that is how I know the issue is known
[21:28]	<yanvrno>	off the site, part of the ML letter I received
[21:29]	<MattJ>	Well all I can say is sit tight for the next upk
[21:29]	<yanvrno>	I kind of thought that something that would have been caught real early, like before shipment, lol
[21:29]	<yanvrno>	np
[21:30]	<yanvrno>	i have more cards,
[21:31]	<yanvrno>	reminds me of some of the things in my industry, Ya Never Know
[21:31]	<MattJ>	:)
[23:41]	<mp0>	Question: I wanted to try firmware osd-3.33-2.04-00.821 with the 128MB compactflash card that shipped with my OSD, however it won't install and complains about the lack of a 128MB CF card. Does the beta firmware need a larger CF card?
[23:42]	<mp0>	Or does it require 128MB after the space taken up by the filesystem?
[23:50]	<mp0>	my apologies, found this listed as a bug here: bugzilla.neurostechnology.com