[00:00]	<stithyoshi>	yeah. I have an old ass 486 laptiop that's been my buddy for years. I decided at one point that 3.11 just wasn't doing it for me
[00:00]	<JohnDesigner>	heh, the bios wont let me change the boot order (and I can't remember if this copm was capable of cd boot)
[00:00]	<stithyoshi>	ouch. Who's the mobo manufacturer?
[00:01]	<JohnDesigner>	sooo, I can either turn the computer into a boat anchor by *trying* to flash the bios anew, or attempt this method
[00:01]	<stithyoshi>	hey, if you've got a boat in need...
[00:01]	<JohnDesigner>	its a MSI k8t neo-fis2r
[00:02]	<JohnDesigner>	heh, true. thats a good way to look at it
[00:02]	<stithyoshi>	Okay, so MSI isn't the best, but don't they use pheonix BIOS? I've never had a problem.
[00:02]	<JohnDesigner>	american megatrends
[00:03]	<JohnDesigner>	really, I only *slightly* know what I am doing, so theres that too :)
[00:04]	<JohnDesigner>	the good thing is that the HDD I want to wipe contains nothing i want on it
[00:04]	<JohnDesigner>	so that gives options
[00:04]	<stithyoshi>	Yeah, that wouldn't help. If you just need to boot your xp cd, I know there are floppy-based boot menus so you should only have to write one floppy and be good to go
[00:05]	<stithyoshi>	FreeDOS comes with a good one that I know has a boot from cd option, but I can't remember what it was called.
[00:06]	<JohnDesigner>	I thought the one-disk version is what I just dl, but its actually the 6 disk official xp sp1 version
[00:06]	<JohnDesigner>	hmm, I should look for the version you mentioned
[00:06]	<JohnDesigner>	must be a ton of em or so I assume
[00:09]	<stithyoshi>	yeah, I'm looking around
[00:10]	<JohnDesigner>	hmm, tack #2 is to try to fix the bios. I just got to the bios menu and the only selectable item as "flash recovery"
[00:11]	<stithyoshi>	that's no good. Did you try to flash it before or something?
[00:11]	<JohnDesigner>	reading a guide that says if I get latest bios, rename it amiboot.rom on a floppy, then I should be good
[00:12]	<JohnDesigner>	good = done completely with this mobo
[00:13]	<JohnDesigner>	I haven't tried to flash it yet, but it still froze out the other menu choices.
[00:13]	<JohnDesigner>	did try flashing this mobo previously either. hnnm
[00:13]	<JohnDesigner>	err didn't
[00:14]	<JohnDesigner>	if the bios upgrade works, then I should be able to boot from CD and all is well.
[00:16]	<JohnDesigner>	the culprit may be the HDD. I've never had one fail in 15 years, so maybe I'm due.
[00:16]	<stithyoshi>	yeah, I worked at a pc repair place until a little while ago, though, and both of the other techs I worked with were afraid of flashing bioses because they had fried so much shit before.
[00:16]	<stithyoshi>	heh, that could be.
[00:16]	<JohnDesigner>	however it boots somewhat into safe mode.
[00:16]	<stithyoshi>	1gighost.net
[00:17]	<stithyoshi>	check that out, could be what you need.
[00:17]	<stithyoshi>	somewhat?
[00:17]	<JohnDesigner>	it boots fine into safe mode, but is really really sluggish to operate after that.
[00:17]	<JohnDesigner>	thanks stithyoshi , I'll chack that out
[00:18]	<stithyoshi>	huh. I wouldn't suspect a hard drive unless the system refuses to find a bootable partition sporadically or the drive's makin' funny noises. (brb, going on a refidgerator raid])
[00:18]	<JohnDesigner>	I hear ya, my flashing record is 1 and 1.
[00:20]	<JohnDesigner>	stithyoshi: hmm, then it could be the HDD. it did give "no bootable partitions found" on one boot attempt.
[00:20]	<JohnDesigner>	and the chkdsk kicks in periodically during my boot attempts
[00:20]	<JohnDesigner>	but the report ends okay
[00:20]	<JohnDesigner>	if that means anything
[00:26]	<crweb>	MattJ100: i have come up with a version control system
[00:26]	<crweb>	MattJ100: let me know when you want me to disable the recopy new config on reboot
[00:27]	<crweb>	if you need it, there are only a few days left before 9.0 is out
[00:28]	<stithyoshi>	yeah, it doesn't neccicarily. If you just randomly got a dissapearing drive, it's probably at least starting to go bad. It doesn't always mean anything, though. for example, the system I'm on now. The drive will do that every great once in a while, but I've still been running it like that for about a year.
[00:28]	<stithyoshi>	but I take horrible care of this computer
[00:29]	<stithyoshi>	the best idea is to proly wipe and restore and then if you still have problems, you know it was the drive.
[00:30]	<JohnDesigner>	sounds logical. I have the disk and will try the wipe/reinstall method. Thanks for the help!
[00:31]	<stithyoshi>	no problem. I needed something to do anyhow. This gave me the added benefit of knowing that I've done something altruistic for a stranger.
[00:32]	<JohnDesigner>	Indeed. Unless of course I brick my mobo, then it will be forever your fault as no good deed goes unpunished
[00:32]	<JohnDesigner>	:)
[00:32]	<stithyoshi>	shush, this is why I have no god
[00:41]	<JohnDesigner>	:D
[04:11]	<crweb>	MattJ100: drop me a note or something when you come back. I want to make sure all your needed changes are in torfu before friday. Thanks.
[04:11]	<JohnDesigner>	by gum, I think i've just experienced my first failed HDD.
[04:12]	<JohnDesigner>	fortunately its on a 3rd string computer but a pain nontheless
[04:13]	<crweb>	whats it doing?
[04:13]	<crweb>	A.) unplug it and power off
[04:13]	<gremlin[it]>	hi all!
[04:13]	<crweb>	all may not be lost
[04:14]	<JohnDesigner>	hi gremlin[it]
[04:15]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: i've been up and down the list of things to try with it. the HDD is making bad noises now
[04:15]	<JohnDesigner>	it was acting skitish before this, slow sluggish.
[04:15]	<crweb>	ok, do you have anything on it you need?
[04:15]	<JohnDesigner>	nope, that is the nice part
[04:15]	<crweb>	well, just in case
[04:15]	<JohnDesigner>	its just an XP installation
[04:15]	<crweb>	freeze that p.o.s. for about 6 hours in a plastic baggy
[04:16]	<JohnDesigner>	without any critical files on it.
[04:16]	<crweb>	you'll have about.. 10-15 minutes of working time
[04:16]	<JohnDesigner>	freeze it? so the future scientists may revive it?
[04:16]	<nerochiaro>	aw dammit !!! i recall just now that i have an hard disk in my freezer since last month, maybe more
[04:16]	<crweb>	you plug it in to another machine, copy what you can and then it will die
[04:16]	<JohnDesigner>	interesting. I did not know that
[04:17]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: it's ancient lore
[04:17]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: really, no one ever demonstrated it actually works
[04:17]	<crweb>	I've seen it work twice
[04:17]	<nerochiaro>	;)
[04:17]	<crweb>	but then.. could have been a fluke
[04:17]	<JohnDesigner>	ooo, "unkown Hard Error". Thats a first for me!
[04:17]	<crweb>	cause i've had like 30 NOT work
[04:17]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: yeah, that sounds like the controller board is going
[04:17]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: which is what the freezing helps
[04:19]	<JohnDesigner>	I figure to pick up another HDD and just try that. I'm somwhat in disbelief bc this is the first HDD failure in 15 years of computer tinkering for me
[04:19]	<nerochiaro>	lucky fella
[04:19]	<JohnDesigner>	I guess so
[04:19]	<crweb>	wow
[04:19]	<crweb>	i go through like 5-10 a year
[04:19]	<JohnDesigner>	really? that many?
[04:19]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: that's massively excessive
[04:19]	<crweb>	yeah
[04:20]	<crweb>	lots of maxtor's and segates
[04:20]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: you have serious power issues down there, or someone cursed you
[04:20]	<crweb>	since i switched to WD haven't lost a single
[04:20]	<JohnDesigner>	now I just need to figure out why it takes 10 minutes to transfer a 1g file to my NAS
[04:21]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: one Q - what protocol should the NAS be using (if thats the right term)? FTP HTTP or?
[04:22]	<JohnDesigner>	I dont remember the exact options offhand, but you might
[04:25]	<crweb>	ftp will be faster
[04:25]	<crweb>	but what are you using to connect to it
[04:26]	<JohnDesigner>	I have it mapped. connected via lan cable.
[04:27]	<JohnDesigner>	xp file manager? is that what you were asking crweb ?
[04:27]	<crweb>	so, its not using http or ftp
[04:27]	<crweb>	its using windows file sharing?
[04:28]	<JohnDesigner>	hmm I guess so. Sorry, I don't know
[04:28]	<JohnDesigner>	let me access its setup via browser
[04:30]	<crweb>	theres a lot of factors here. Speeds of the following would be helpful
[04:31]	<crweb>	NAS -> PC, PC -> NAS, NAS -> OSD
[04:31]	<crweb>	OSD -> NAS
[04:33]	<crweb>	gremlin[it]: how goes the compile?
[04:36]	<crweb>	wow.. 4am already
[04:36]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: shouldn't you be in bed
[04:37]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: how should I gather the transfer speed? Send a 1g file and time it or ?
[04:37]	<crweb>	sure
[04:37]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: yeah, my schedule is a little whacked lately
[04:37]	<crweb>	sunday nights are the hardest for me
[04:37]	<JohnDesigner>	i bet
[04:37]	<crweb>	i have to schedule flip for the weekends
[04:38]	<JohnDesigner>	do you do things during normal prople hours on the weekends?
[04:38]	<JohnDesigner>	people that is
[04:38]	<crweb>	yeah
[04:38]	<crweb>	g/f lives on some sort of daylight schedule
[04:38]	<crweb>	whatever the fuck that is
[04:39]	<JohnDesigner>	i vaugely remember daylight
[04:39]	<crweb>	its not a fun experience
[04:39]	<crweb>	you doing LAN right? not wireless?
[04:39]	<JohnDesigner>	yes lan
[04:40]	<crweb>	i would say at minimum, that file should transfer in 6 minutes
[04:41]	<crweb>	at max, with network overhead, 3 to 3.5 minutes
[04:41]	<crweb>	at theortecial max, 1.5 minutes
[04:41]	<gremlin[it]>	crweb, finally i make OE using an external toolchain (gcc only) and i was able to build an image yesterday late, i'll test this evening ...
[04:42]	<gremlin[it]>	but about all c++ fail to build using neuro's g++ :s ...
[04:42]	<crweb>	thats strange
[04:43]	<gremlin[it]>	i notice 2 issues ... some unknown gcc options (a -f option) and -rpath-link for ld (via gcc -Wl,-rpath-link,...)
[04:44]	<gremlin[it]>	and avahi configure scripts say g++ wasn't able to produce executable or something like ...
[04:45]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: im transferring a 1.1g file from PChdd>NAS. time estimate is 20 mins and holding true to that.
[04:46]	<JohnDesigner>	no other notable network activity to this machine or the NAS
[04:47]	<JohnDesigner>	xferring to the nas has always been this slow since I set it up.
[04:47]	<JohnDesigner>	which I can accept if that is just the way it is, but I suspect I can click a box somewhere to make it a little faster anyway
[04:49]	<JohnDesigner>	I'm just looking to gross tune the transfer speed or figure out that it can't be noticably faster. One of the two.
[04:51]	<crweb>	whats your modelnumber/brand?
[04:52]	<JohnDesigner>	hammer storage 'my share'
[04:53]	<JohnDesigner>	www.hammer-storage.com
[04:54]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: I looked on their site for forums or similar first. didn't find any
[04:55]	<crweb>	you have the 1TB ?
[04:55]	<JohnDesigner>	yes
[04:56]	<crweb>	nice
[04:56]	<JohnDesigner>	I have it set up as Static IP, workgroup connected (domain member is other setting), http (https is other setting)
[04:56]	<crweb>	yeah, there is no excuse
[04:56]	<crweb>	you need to transfer something PC -> PC
[04:57]	<crweb>	without the nas, and see what the speed is like
[05:02]	<JohnDesigner>	now testing gwifi-PC to cabled-PC . 1g file.
[05:03]	<JohnDesigner>	looks like 6-7minutes
[05:03]	<crweb>	you know what that means
[05:03]	<JohnDesigner>	nope, not at all :)
[05:03]	<crweb>	its the nas
[05:04]	<crweb>	from the spec i read, it shouldn't be the nas
[05:04]	<crweb>	but there is some issue there.
[05:04]	<crweb>	maybe swap out the nas's cable
[05:05]	<crweb>	HI-DEF format war is over!, Toshiba is announcing complete halt on ALL HD-DVD production. Blu-ray will be the new and _only_ standard
[05:05]	<JohnDesigner>	I'll try that. if that doesn't work I'll get the hammer folk on the phone
[05:06]	<JohnDesigner>	HD-DVD is a hassle to pronounce so thats good news on that front
[05:13]	<JohnDesigner>	son of a..
[05:13]	<JohnDesigner>	seems the cable to my NAS was bad. Huh.
[05:13]	<crweb>	sweet
[05:13]	<crweb>	score another one for me.
[05:14]	<JohnDesigner>	wow, thats a load off
[05:14]	<JohnDesigner>	indeed, the Degummer strikes again!!
[05:21]	<crweb>	its the kind of stuff they don't teach you in school
[05:21]	<crweb>	you have to buy 30+ network cards and try every one of them in your PC and none of them work in motherboard a, but they all work in motherboard b
[05:22]	<crweb>	then after breaking motherboard A into a 100 pieces, motherboard b stops working and you figure out it was the cable
[05:22]	<JohnDesigner>	lol
[05:25]	<JohnDesigner>	oh fer cryin out loud. Now my A computer with the super quiet case has a click in it.
[05:25]	<JohnDesigner>	sigh, I'm going to bed
[05:29]	<JohnDesigner>	g'night all
[07:25]	<MattJ>	Hey all
[07:26]	<MattJ>	Where can I find the AX upk? It's eluding me... :/
[09:17]	<nerochiaro>	MattJ: open.neurostechnology.com
[09:17]	<nerochiaro>	MattJ: last two characters are increasing roughly everyday
[09:19]	<MattJ>	Thanks
[09:21]	<MattJ>	I presume TORFU 9.0 will be the last?
[09:21]	<nerochiaro>	hopefully
[09:21]	<nerochiaro>	for both your and ours sake :)
[09:22]	<MattJ>	+1 :)
[09:22]	<MattJ>	crweb asked if there was anything I wanted in before the release
[09:22]	<MattJ>	But there's nothing that isn't fixed in AZ, and would be possible to fix before Friday :)
[09:25]	<nerochiaro>	really ? for example ?
[09:25]	<nerochiaro>	(example of something that can't be fixed by friday)
[10:17]	<vmarks>	hello.
[10:56]	<MattJ>	nerochiaro: Scheduling, etc. etc. etc. :)
[10:56]	<MattJ>	All the big things
[10:57]	<MattJ>	Is it expected that some people will hang around before switching to AZ?
[12:35]	<vmarks>	MattJ, I have, but that's because I'm lazy lazy lazy.
[12:35]	<vmarks>	:)
[12:35]	<vmarks>	so lazy that I think it took a few hours to get back to answering that question even.
[12:35]	<vmarks>	:D
[12:46]	<gremlin[it]>	ping nerochiaro
[12:48]	<MattJ>	vmarks: I mean after the official release, obviously
[13:10]	<vmarks>	MattJ, you are the best.
[13:10]	* MattJ  bows
[13:13]	<JoeBorn>	MattJ: I don't think many will "hang around" torfu
[13:13]	<JoeBorn>	in terms of upgrading that system.
[13:13]	<MattJ>	Then I can't think of any problems for crweb to fix :)
[13:26]	<gremlin[it]>	grrrrrrrrrrrr
[13:27]	<gremlin[it]>	there is something that continue to not work !!!!!!!!!!!
[13:29]	<gremlin[it]>	which is the main script that make all start and in the correct order !?!?!?!?!
[14:08]	<gremlin[it]>	here i'm ...
[14:08]	<gremlin[it]>	when i start nmsd i got this error
[14:08]	<gremlin[it]>	[2757] ./../src/srvmain.c--main: 103
[14:08]	<gremlin[it]>	what mean !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
[14:15]	<gremlin[it]>	no way !!!
[14:15]	<gremlin[it]>	plase some winn help me ...
[14:15]	<gremlin[it]>	someone will help me !
[14:31]	<gremlin[it]>	well... if i boot my image and the chroot on cramfs partition software start ... so maybe i can do it
[14:33]	<MattJ>	Grr
[14:33]	<MattJ>	"Unable to upgrade\nUpgrade package corrupted!"
[14:42]	<MattJ>	Does anyone have the 3.33-y.2i firmware, or know the MD5 of it?
[14:51]	<gremlin[it]>	no sorry MattJ
[14:58]	<gremlin[it]>	sincerelly ... initscript you use isn't easy to follow :(
[15:00]	<MattJ>	Ok, downloaded upk again, same MD5 :'(
[15:00]	<MattJ>	gremlin[it]: iirc that is crweb's department
[15:00]	* MattJ  is also waiting for crweb
[15:02]	<gremlin[it]>	~blame crweb
[15:02]	<gremlin[it]>	not bot ... :P
[15:02]	<MattJ>	lol
[15:22]	<MattJ>	Bah, I'll have to give up on AZ for today
[15:23]	<MattJ>	Someone wants their OSD back :)
[15:37]	<gremlin[it]>	i really have script that loop on error :(
[15:37]	<gremlin[it]>	really hate !
[16:09]	<gremlin[it]>	no way ... all seem to run ... a lot of error about itfb ... and nothing more :(
[16:10]	<gremlin[it]>	damn ... i WANT show neuros at FOSDEM !!!
[16:15]	<gremlin[it]>	really unhappy :(
[16:16]	<MattJ>	:/
[16:16]	<MattJ>	I'm sure you'll get it sorted before too long
[16:16]	<gremlin[it]>	mhhh i don't understand
[16:17]	<gremlin[it]>	i dpn't understand what u mean
[16:17]	<gremlin[it]>	MattJ
[16:19]	<gremlin[it]>	what make me crazy is that i feel so close ... and i suppose neuros people will be happy to have a neuros shown at FOSDEM ... we will have also a freerunner so some cool devices !
[16:20]	<MattJ>	loool
[16:20]	<gremlin[it]>	i can't work with crweb ... on daylight i'm in office ... i can work on neuros only on evening :(
[16:20]	<MattJ>	I should bring one of mine
[16:20]	<MattJ>	and stream over the internet
[16:20]	<MattJ>	:P
[16:20]	<gremlin[it]>	your what ?
[16:21]	<MattJ>	OSDs
[16:21]	<MattJ>	Yeah, crweb is in a different timezone to me also :/
[16:21]	<gremlin[it]>	nothing not powered by OE cna stay on OE booth stand ...
[16:22]	<gremlin[it]>	and do a terrible hack to do a chroot i don't like !
[16:22]	<MattJ>	What are the practical uses of OE running on it?
[16:22]	<gremlin[it]>	i go to sleep ...
[16:22]	<gremlin[it]>	really sad ...
[16:22]	<MattJ>	Don't be :|
[16:23]	<gremlin[it]>	yes i'm ... there's no doc about software ... :S
[16:23]	<gremlin[it]>	i go
[16:23]	<MattJ>	That gets me too
[16:23]	<gremlin[it]>	bye
[16:23]	<MattJ>	Ok
[16:23]	<MattJ>	See you
[19:45]	<vmarks>	aroo.
[20:33]	<MattJ>	oora
[20:33]	<MattJ>	Name of my next project? :D
[20:51]	<vmarks>	Aroo.
[20:51]	<vmarks>	that's the next project.
[21:08]	<MattJ>	crweb!
[21:08]	<MattJ>	I'm just off to bed
[21:08]	<MattJ>	Our timezones don't match well
[21:09]	<crweb>	MattJ i'm here
[21:09]	<crweb>	MattJ if you want to make a list and email it tomorrow that will be good
[21:09]	<crweb>	tbruno at neuros . us
[21:09]	<MattJ>	Well I can't think of anything that needs fixing in torfu that is fixable in a few days :)
[21:09]	<MattJ>	Just lighttpd needs updating
[21:10]	<crweb>	and config not be overwritten?
[21:10]	<MattJ>	It doesn't matter now
[21:10]	<MattJ>	It's all handled by the package manager
[21:10]	<crweb>	ok
[21:10]	<MattJ>	It includes an updated lighttpd too
[21:10]	<crweb>	i'll get it updated then
[21:10]	<MattJ>	But I can remove that if the one on the firmware is good
[21:11]	<crweb>	you want the newest version?
[21:11]	<MattJ>	Please
[21:11]	<crweb>	ok
[21:11]	<MattJ>	Seems to work fine
[21:12]	<MattJ>	1.4.18 iirc
[21:12]	<crweb>	alright. will do in a few hours
[21:12]	<vmarks>	mmmm
[21:12]	<vmarks>	Aroo!
[21:12]	<MattJ>	np
[21:13]	<MattJ>	crweb: Oh, and we need to have a writable version of /etc/profile
[21:13]	<MattJ>	Like we have rc.local
[21:13]	<crweb>	yeah, i'm working on a rc.profile concept
[21:13]	<MattJ>	Great :)
[21:15]	<MattJ>	If I export variables in that file, will apps started from the GUI inherit them?
[21:15]	<crweb>	hopefully
[21:15]	<MattJ>	Ok
[21:15]	<crweb>	/etc/profile will hopefully source that file
[21:16]	<MattJ>	Oh, and any idea why my OSD wouldn't upgrade to AZ? "Corrupt package"
[21:16]	<crweb>	might be a bug. best to bugzilla that
[21:16]	<MattJ>	I downloaded the file twice, same MD5
[21:16]	<MattJ>	Ok
[21:27]	<MattJ>	bugzilla.neurostechnology.com
[21:28]	<crweb>	ok, thanks
[21:29]	<MattJ>	3:30AM, time for bed :)
[21:29]	<MattJ>	I think I'll be asleep during FOSDEM otherwise