| [05:35] | <nerochiaro> | crweb: ping |
| [05:35] | <crweb> | hey |
| [05:35] | <nerochiaro> | crweb: just poking for an update on the partition tools, see email |
| [05:36] | <crweb> | i've been looking for alternates since gnu parted won't build |
| [05:36] | <crweb> | the scripts are ready, but not nearly tested enough |
| [05:36] | <crweb> | will email thread in a sec |
| [05:37] | <nerochiaro> | ok, thanks |
| [05:37] | <nerochiaro> | just to keep everyone in the loop |
| [05:37] | <nerochiaro> | i think they still have stuff to do before they get to the point of being blocked by partition tools. but they're getting there |
| [05:40] | <crweb> | i'm sure they are very close |
| [05:41] | * crweb gives an evil look toward RMS | |
| [05:42] | <nerochiaro> | the gnu scowls back at you |
| [05:48] | <crweb> | they could try |
| [05:48] | <crweb> | more than likely the scowl would halfway form before crashing over a missing facial feature |
| [05:48] | <crweb> | think about that. its pretty deep... |
| [05:49] | <nerochiaro> | bovines miss a lot of facial features to form a scowl anyway |
| [05:49] | <nerochiaro> | cows aren't that expressive |
| [05:49] | <nerochiaro> | i doubt a gnu would be different |
| [05:49] | <crweb> | but how can they miss facial features that are built into their face? |
| [05:49] | <crweb> | rms seems to beable to pull it off quite well however... |
| [05:50] | <nerochiaro> | the ability to scowl isn't built into the cow's face |
| [05:50] | <crweb> | no, but eyes are. it'd crash over missing eyes |
| [05:50] | <nerochiaro> | i should dig out the obligatory xkcd comic strip now |
| [05:50] | <nerochiaro> | the one with RMS and the katanas |
| [05:51] | <crweb> | lol |
| [05:51] | <crweb> | haven't seen that |
| [05:51] | <nerochiaro> | xkcd.com |
| [05:52] | <nerochiaro> | and this too: blag.xkcd.com |
| [05:53] | <crweb> | lol |
| [05:53] | <crweb> | they used a closed source canon camera to take the pics... |
| [05:53] | <crweb> | with external media card.. |
| [05:54] | <nerochiaro> | jeez, that's a cheap shot |
| [05:54] | <nerochiaro> | how many OSS cameras are there ? |
| [05:54] | <crweb> | well.. there's RMS's... |
| [05:55] | <crweb> | i'm not going to spend time looking for the 15 year old link... |
| [05:56] | <nerochiaro> | some day maybe we'll see one again, who knows |
| [09:43] | <JohnDesigner> | anyone have TORFU running on a handy OSD? |
| [09:44] | <JohnDesigner> | I'm wondering what happens when pressing * key while a file manager item is highlighted. |
| [09:44] | <crweb> | suppose to bring up menu that says open and help |
| [09:46] | <JohnDesigner> | iirc, I designed that to be the Multi-select |
| [09:46] | <JohnDesigner> | but dont know if it ever made a release or not. |
| [09:46] | <nerochiaro> | crweb: didn't we have multi-selection code in the lists backend in TORFU ? i'm not sure if it was in the GUI too |
| [09:46] | <nerochiaro> | checking now |
| [09:47] | <crweb> | nerochiaro: we did yes |
| [09:47] | <crweb> | nerochiaro: we have it now |
| [09:47] | <crweb> | in az too |
| [09:47] | <JohnDesigner> | really? cool |
| [09:48] | <crweb> | but he was asking about * on file manager menu item |
| [09:48] | <crweb> | not on files right? |
| [09:48] | <JohnDesigner> | is that system accessable within the YT>favorites list? |
| [09:48] | <crweb> | no |
| [09:48] | <JohnDesigner> | crweb: on a list of files |
| [09:48] | <crweb> | those list come from some place else |
| [09:49] | <crweb> | they don't really 'exist'. You would need to add them to a playqueue |
| [09:49] | <nerochiaro> | i confirm now that in TORFU * puts the selection mark beside the selected file |
| [09:49] | <JohnDesigner> | nerochiaro: great, thank you |
| [09:49] | <nerochiaro> | no problem |
| [09:49] | <crweb> | i thought he was asking about * on the menu item |
| [09:49] | <crweb> | yes, * mutli selects on torfu and AZ |
| [09:50] | <JohnDesigner> | crweb: i am asking bc of this request |
| [09:50] | <JohnDesigner> | bugzilla.neurostechnology.com |
| [09:50] | <JohnDesigner> | shoot wrong one |
| [09:51] | <JohnDesigner> | bugzilla.neurostechnology.com |
| [09:51] | <crweb> | JohnDesigner: yes that would be doable |
| [09:52] | <JohnDesigner> | but will require adding the support then? is that tricky or simple? |
| [09:52] | <crweb> | it would be a normal task |
| [09:52] | <crweb> | not a big deal |
| [09:52] | <JohnDesigner> | okay, great thanks |
| [09:53] | <nerochiaro> | simple enough, yes |
| [09:53] | <JohnDesigner> | crweb: would you mind describing what to do for Wesley? |
| [09:53] | <nerochiaro> | crweb: does your AZ mount CF cards correctly ? |
| [09:54] | <nerochiaro> | crweb: mine doesn't when i'm booting rootfs |
| [09:54] | <crweb> | nerochiaro: no, we blocked it cause 1.5 won't have CF |
| [09:54] | <nerochiaro> | er, NFS booting rootfs |
| [09:54] | <JohnDesigner> | crweb: my comment would just be - "um...add multi-select support from TORFU" |
| [09:54] | <nerochiaro> | ah, i see. but AZ is not just for 1.5, so that sucks |
| [09:54] | <JohnDesigner> | not very descriptive |
| [09:54] | <crweb> | nerochiaro: 1.1 can't remove the card |
| [09:54] | <crweb> | so its the "same" |
| [09:55] | <crweb> | it was decided that using CF for recording and storage wouldn't be allowed unless you had another partition |
| [09:55] | <nerochiaro> | not to those who want to NFS boot, though |
| [09:55] | <crweb> | you need a 2nd partition |
| [09:55] | <crweb> | you really want to throw in all that logic too? |
| [09:55] | <crweb> | nfs is a dev tool. The card still shouldn't be removed, nfs or not. |
| [09:55] | <nerochiaro> | is that complex ? we use it all days when developing |
| [09:56] | <crweb> | you'd have to modify the mounting tools, coldplug, the upgrader scripts, etc |
| [09:56] | <nerochiaro> | i know NFS is a dev tool, but devs can't see the CF in any way |
| [09:56] | <crweb> | yeah they can |
| [09:56] | <nerochiaro> | manually mount it |
| [09:56] | <nerochiaro> | ? |
| [09:56] | <crweb> | from telnet and serial |
| [09:57] | <nerochiaro> | ok, fair enough |
| [09:57] | <crweb> | it will fail to mount CF1 because: nfs gets mounted on /media/ext |
| [09:57] | <crweb> | the logic is: if NFS, mount /media/ext, if not mount CF1 on /media/ext |
| [10:00] | <nerochiaro> | well, isn't it enough to change it to "if NFS, mount NFS to /media/ext AND mount CF normally the same way you mount SD ?" |
| [10:01] | <crweb> | you'd have to put checks in the already heavy hotplug for nfs also |
| [10:03] | <crweb> | it is sleepy time. later |
| [10:03] | <nerochiaro> | ok later |
| [10:10] | <JohnDesigner> | hrmm, I need a new hub. The one I dug up and hooked to my wireless router is 10mbps. |
| [10:14] | <nerochiaro> | get some carrier pigeons, maybe. i've heard they fly faster than 10Mbps ;) |
| [10:15] | <JohnDesigner> | tin cans and string is the upgrade. |
| [10:16] | <nerochiaro> | that's just point-to-point. the pigeons are not that restricted |
| [10:16] | <JohnDesigner> | I only have one computer and my slingbox hooked up to it, so I didn't notice the slow speed until trying to transfer a 700 mb file between computers. |
| [10:17] | <JohnDesigner> | nerochiaro: ooo, pigeons = no wires. Fancy |
| [10:18] | <nerochiaro> | JohnDesigner: yup. IP over pigeons. i think there was an april's fool RFC about that somewhere |
| [10:18] | <JohnDesigner> | really? thats funny |
| [10:18] | <nerochiaro> | en.wikipedia.org |
| [10:19] | <JohnDesigner> | hmm, I have an extra wrt54g lying around. I wonder if I can just turn off the wireless radio on that and use it as "more ports" hooked into my active wrt54g? |
| [10:20] | <nerochiaro> | i think so, but don't ask me how to do it |
| [10:20] | <JohnDesigner> | ha! those funny geeks and their pranks |
| [10:23] | <JohnDesigner> | I looked at the housing, saw no "turn off wireless radio" switch, then promptly put it back in the box |
| [10:25] | <nerochiaro> | JohnDesigner: oh, of course not with a button. you can do that in software, or via the web interface probabyl |
| [10:26] | <JohnDesigner> | No button = do it in a few months when I have time to pull the string on that sweater ;) |
| [10:27] | * JohnDesigner really didn't expect to see a button, but hoped | |
| [10:28] | <crweb> | JohnDesigner: you can on web interface |
| [10:29] | <JohnDesigner> | crweb: I may do that later as I am somewhat familiar with that interface. |
| [10:30] | <JohnDesigner> | crweb: this 10mbps router was culprit #2 in my slow network equation that you helped me with. |
| [10:47] | <JohnDesigner> | nerochiaro: is 3.33-2.02-00.81j an AZ FW code? |
| [10:47] | <nerochiaro> | JohnDesigner: should be |
| [10:47] | <JohnDesigner> | can you tell any other info from that string? Such as Dev or ? |
| [10:49] | <nerochiaro> | dev, i think |
| [10:50] | <JohnDesigner> | k, thanks |
| [10:51] | <nerochiaro> | JohnDesigner: wiki.neurostechnology.com |
| [10:55] | <JohnDesigner> | the code is solved! |
| [10:55] | <nerochiaro> | JohnDesigner: try ODNT/files/osd-3.33-x.2q.upk |
| [10:57] | <JohnDesigner> | is that the "self aware" version? |
| [10:57] | <nerochiaro> | hmm, we're not doing sentient AI yet |
| [10:57] | <JohnDesigner> | darn |
| [10:58] | <JohnDesigner> | does 2q have new layout/graphic/behavior stuff in it? |
| [10:58] | <nerochiaro> | not sure what you're referring to, sorry |
| [10:59] | <JohnDesigner> | were you asking me to DL and install the version on that ODNT link? |
| [11:01] | <JohnDesigner> | maybe suggesting that there was something new in v-x.2q that I would need to see? |
| [11:01] | <nerochiaro> | no, you were telling me about AZ, so i pointed you to AZ download |
| [11:01] | <nerochiaro> | but i was actually wrong |
| [11:01] | <nerochiaro> | open.neurostechnology.com is AZ |
| [11:02] | <JohnDesigner> | ah, i see. Actually, I have 2p installed, but ty. |
| [11:03] | <nerochiaro> | ok, no problem. these version numbers are confusing me too at times |
| [14:44] | <gremlin[it]> | good evening all ! |
| [14:46] | <nerochiaro> | gremlin[it]: good evening |
| [14:52] | <gremlin[it]> | hi nerochiaro ! |
| [14:57] | <nerochiaro> | gremlin[it]: have time for a couple OE questions ? |
| [15:01] | <gremlin[it]> | for sure ! |
| [15:01] | <nerochiaro> | gremlin[it]: when we create the rootfs for the device, do we need fakeroot to create it, i suppose ? |
| [15:02] | <gremlin[it]> | nerochiaro, "we" mean with OE ? |
| [15:03] | <nerochiaro> | yes, sorry |
| [15:05] | <gremlin[it]> | mhhh looking on OE scripts seem it don't use fakeroot, ... just install all packages on a so named 'rootfs' directory :) ... |
| [15:07] | <nerochiaro> | but it needs to create nodes as root |
| [15:07] | <nerochiaro> | such as /dev stuff |
| [15:09] | <gremlin[it]> | true ... on my rootfs all is owned by me ... so wait i check the 'image.bbclass' file ... |
| [15:09] | <nerochiaro> | thanks |
| [15:11] | <gremlin[it]> | yes OE also use fakeroot ... but it never ask for root password (i suppose that was your final question) ... |
| [15:14] | <nerochiaro> | fakeroot never need root password, as far as i know |
| [15:14] | <nerochiaro> | you need root password only when you want to install stuff that you created with fakeroot |
| [15:14] | <nerochiaro> | but ok, i just wanted to know if it used fakeroot or not |
| [15:15] | <gremlin[it]> | so yes it just use fakeroot, inside fakeroot image is created installing all packages ... |
| [15:22] | * MattJ100 waves | |
| [15:22] | <MattJ100> | Just got back from Brussels |
| [15:23] | <gremlin[it]> | hi MattJ100 !!! |
| [15:23] | <gremlin[it]> | we just meet for a bunch of seconds !!! :( |
| [15:24] | <MattJ100> | I know :( |
| [15:24] | <MattJ100> | I met lots of people I wanted to meet |
| [15:24] | <MattJ100> | All for a few seconds/minutes each :D |
| [15:26] | <nerochiaro> | FOSDEM speed dating ! |
| [15:27] | <gremlin[it]> | hahahah |
| [15:28] | <gremlin[it]> | next year nerochiaro i want see u at FOSDEM ! |
| [15:29] | <nerochiaro> | gremlin[it]: i tried this year too. hopefully next year I will be there |
| [15:30] | <gremlin[it]> | heheh :) |
| [15:31] | <nerochiaro> | if nothing else, for the beer parties ! |
| [15:32] | <gremlin[it]> | for sure ! |
| [15:42] | <gremlin[it]> | nerochiaro other questions about OE ? |
| [15:42] | <nerochiaro> | no, not for now |
| [15:42] | <nerochiaro> | thanks |
| [15:44] | <gremlin[it]> | i have a question for you (or crweb), why your toolchain was build without posix support ? |
| [15:46] | <nerochiaro> | i have no idea. it was actually built that way by the people that sold it to us |
| [15:46] | <gremlin[it]> | ahhh ok :) |
| [15:47] | <nerochiaro> | crweb may know more though, he looked at it more closely |
| [15:47] | <nerochiaro> | maybe there were notes or something |
| [16:31] | <gremlin[it]> | g'night all ! |
| [19:46] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | How do I get XMMS2 to shuffle the playlist on the NeurosOSD? I've looked all over for an answer, and can't seem to find one... |
| [19:51] | <vmarks> | hi joe! |
| [19:51] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | Hello vmarks |
| [19:53] | <vmarks> | in telnet, xmms2 playlist shuffle |
| [19:53] | <vmarks> | might get it. |
| [19:53] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | ok, I'll give it a shot |
| [19:56] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | ERROR: Unrecognised playlist command: shuffle |
| [19:56] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | so I tried 'xmms2 list', which listed all songs currently enqued |
| [19:58] | <vmarks> | ok, it appears that the default xmms2 cli client doesn't do shuffle. |
| [19:58] | <vmarks> | I'm going to verify that in the xmms2 channel. |
| [19:59] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | ok |
| [19:59] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | you gave me a shot in the arm tho. I'll see what I can do from here. |
| [19:59] | <vmarks> | hey! I'm good for something! |
| [19:59] | <vmarks> | :) |
| [20:03] | <vmarks> | xmms2 mlib shuffle ? |
| [20:03] | <vmarks> | it's a guess. |
| [20:05] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | I've just done 'xmms2 shuffle' |
| [20:06] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | This seems to have done the trick (although I tried some of the other commands first) |
| [20:06] | <JoeNeurosOSD> | Now when I press the 'next' button on the remote, the next song is random. |
| [20:31] | <vmarks> | excellent |
| [23:01] | <diclophi1> | whats the latest |