[00:42]	<MP0_>	Morning Bimzie
[00:55]	<johndesign>	crweb: nerochiaro : in Designer's "edit Palette" I see a setting for Alpha channel (when changing a color), the OSD does not support the Alpha Channel, correct?
[01:07]	<Bimzie>	hi john
[01:08]	<Bimzie>	(yawn)
[01:08]	<johndesign>	hi Bimzie
[01:08]	<Bimzie>	how r u man
[01:20]	<Bimzie>	lost?
[01:20]	<Bimzie>	:P
[01:20]	<Bimzie>	btw whrs nerochairo
[01:22]	<johndesign>	Bimzie: I'm doing ok, thanks for asking. And yourself?
[01:23]	<johndesign>	nero is most likely neck deep in code or one of the other myriad of issues he solves.
[01:23]	<nerochiaro>	i'm actually preparing my breakfast
[01:23]	<nerochiaro>	good morning everyone
[01:24]	<nerochiaro>	Bimzie: alpha is supported between widgets of the same window
[01:43]	<johndesign>	nerochiaro: thanks. (the alpha Q was from me)
[01:43]	<nerochiaro>	johndesign: oh, wow. i got cross eyed
[01:43]	<johndesign>	:)
[01:44]	<nerochiaro>	johndesign: btw, it's done in software, so it should be "real" alpha, not binary like the one we have in hardware against the video plane.
[01:44]	<Bimzie>	i didn't ask dat :)
[01:44]	<Bimzie>	nerochiaro
[01:45]	<Bimzie>	:)
[01:45]	<Bimzie>	nerochairo man... i successfully added my widget to mainmenu :)
[01:45]	<Bimzie>	sub version of my widget
[01:46]	<Bimzie>	john m doin ok too :)
[01:48]	<nerochiaro>	Bimzie: contratulations :)
[01:49]	<nerochiaro>	hmm, congratulations, even
[01:50]	<Bimzie>	thanx man.... so m goin to start moving towards the real thing now
[01:50]	<Bimzie>	:)
[01:51]	<nerochiaro>	good luck
[01:51]	<Bimzie>	u were really helpful man
[01:51]	<nerochiaro>	you're welcome
[01:52]	<Bimzie>	:)
[01:54]	<Bimzie>	nerochairo: from whr can i change the mainmenu background color?
[01:55]	<nerochiaro>	Bimzie: the list or the main background color of the application ?
[01:56]	<Bimzie>	main
[01:56]	<nerochiaro>	i think you can just set it on designer, in the palette
[01:56]	<Bimzie>	list will be thr in nlistmenu ri8
[01:57]	<nerochiaro>	Bimzie: sorry, i don't understand that question
[01:59]	<BIMZIE2>	ori8 no problem
[03:44]	<BIMZIE>	hi nerochiaro
[03:45]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: hi
[03:46]	<BIMZIE>	wots up man..?
[03:47]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: working ;)
[03:54]	<BIMZIE>	gud....
[03:54]	<BIMZIE>	man m thinking abt resume workin again
[03:54]	<BIMZIE>	:)
[03:54]	<BIMZIE>	but bro temme wot if i want to change bkcolor using code...
[03:55]	<BIMZIE>	color of main-menu app
[03:57]	<nerochiaro>	look at QWidget::setPalette in the docs
[03:58]	<nerochiaro>	and related functions
[04:34]	<BIMZIE>	ori8
[06:06]	<BIMZIE>	nerochiaro u thr man
[06:07]	<BIMZIE>	do u know the window size which won't b cropped
[06:07]	<BIMZIE>	cuz if i load 640 X 480 image it is cropped
[06:12]	<greyback>	BIMZIE: I asked this yesterday
[06:12]	<greyback>	[06:55] <JohnDesigner> 570 wide, x 420 tall
[06:12]	<greyback>	[06:55] <JohnDesigner> that is what we are designing the GUi to be within
[06:12]	<greyback>	[06:55] <JohnDesigner> that is based on the worst case of a Tube tv cutof
[06:15]	<BIMZIE>	ahan
[06:16]	<BIMZIE>	well and temme a thing
[06:16]	<BIMZIE>	shud i need to set renderer for dat display too
[06:17]	<BIMZIE>	in other words wot changes will be needed to move it from 640x480 to 570x420
[06:22]	<greyback>	BIMZIE: The output res is 640x480 as you know. I guess you just center the image and scale it down to 570x420.
[06:23]	<greyback>	I'm only guessing here. I've not played withi this stuff yet
[07:15]	<gremlin[it]>	hi all!
[09:23]	<greyback>	Who should I talk to about a little SVN space?
[09:24]	<nerochiaro>	greyback: i'll set you up
[09:24]	<greyback>	nerochiaro: great, thank you!
[09:25]	<nerochiaro>	PM to me a password or "httpasswd -ns greyback", unless you want me to invent one for you
[09:26]	<allyourrejects>	www.amazon.com
[09:26]	<allyourrejects>	new edition
[09:26]	<allyourrejects>	covers styles
[09:26]	<nerochiaro>	allyourrejects: got better from your sickness ?
[09:27]	<crweb>	i can't see
[09:27]	<crweb>	i dunno what is up
[09:27]	<crweb>	everything is super blurry and I have to really force my eyes to focus.
[09:27]	<crweb>	plus, that is causing a super migrane
[09:28]	<greyback>	allyourrejects: I bought the first edition on your recommendation. It's good
[09:29]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: stop quinting at this IRC screen and get out to a doctor. they are open now
[09:29]	<crweb>	ner version covers new stuff in 4.3, styles, java, and more model/view
[09:30]	<crweb>	the college health center opens in 30min
[09:31]	<crweb>	sorry for the back and forth on nicks. one PC doesn't have a keyboard but i'm using it for webbrowsing
[09:31]	<nerochiaro>	no problem
[09:33]	<crweb>	how does the updater look?
[09:35]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: no news, terry still working on it i guess
[09:35]	<crweb>	he must be trying to do libparted then
[09:35]	<crweb>	i recommended that you recommended to at least try libparted before trying console
[09:36]	<nerochiaro>	i told him to just use libparted
[09:36]	<crweb>	k
[09:36]	<crweb>	going to provide much better feedback, etc
[09:36]	<nerochiaro>	much clener too
[09:37]	<crweb>	guess we'll have to see what the hold up is monday.
[09:38]	<crweb>	got to get that out the door
[09:38]	<nerochiaro>	greyback: were you one of those who reported audio sync issues with some movies ?
[09:38]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: we'll see monday
[09:38]	<greyback>	nerochiaro: bagster had issues with files encoded with AutoGK
[09:38]	<nerochiaro>	ah i see
[09:39]	<greyback>	I've a few files which do have sync problems, but I suspect it's the files
[09:39]	<nerochiaro>	if they play on other players, it's us
[09:40]	<crweb>	one of the largest mistakes made is someone will try to reencode the audio stream by itself and only copy the video
[09:41]	<crweb>	they'll downsample for 48khz to 44.1khz, and this will throw sync
[09:41]	<crweb>	very few players compensate for this.. but the big ones do. WMP, mplayer, xine...
[09:41]	<nerochiaro>	vlc
[09:41]	<nerochiaro>	?
[09:42]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: how can i detect this kind of mistake ?
[09:42]	<crweb>	i dunno. I'd have to try it. it probably does
[09:42]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: imean, on sample videos
[09:42]	<crweb>	mm.. what happens is the sync markers are off cause the size of the datastream changed
[09:43]	<crweb>	you can really see it if the sound is off sync and as the video plays the "off sync" gets much worse
[09:43]	<crweb>	and by end of a 1 hour video sound is 15 minutes behind video
[09:43]	<nerochiaro>	but audio is off sync since it's playing slower ?
[09:44]	<crweb>	kind of.
[09:44]	<crweb>	its not playing as much data
[09:44]	<nerochiaro>	i see
[09:44]	<crweb>	and the sync frames got broken because interleave wasn't created
[09:44]	<crweb>	they just "copy" the video stream
[09:44]	<crweb>	audio + video didn't get woven together like they are suppose to
[09:45]	<nerochiaro>	wonder if there's a way to verify if some of these sample files i have are off-sync because of this
[09:45]	<crweb>	if sound stays consistantly off the same amount of time, this is persons fault
[09:45]	<nerochiaro>	it's not easy to tell
[09:45]	<crweb>	if sound goes faster than video, frame rate was changed
[09:45]	<nerochiaro>	sounds lags behind video here. consisitently between playbacks, i think
[09:47]	<crweb>	you need to make sure its actually consistant..
[09:48]	<crweb>	! consistant is interweaving/sync stream is broken
[09:48]	<crweb>	consistant... probably bad news. but it could be the file.
[09:49]	<crweb>	so if fred says "Hey" at 01:45:06 on one play, and "01:45:35" on another play, this is probably the file
[09:49]	<nerochiaro>	dude, if i listen to this Abba clic one more time, i'm gonna grow long blonde hair and move to Sweden
[09:49]	<crweb>	inthe PC world then..
[09:49]	<nerochiaro>	it seems consistent
[09:50]	<crweb>	consistent, but dely increases with playback?
[09:50]	<greyback>	nerochiaro: oops, sorry, got my 'b's mixed up. I meant a guy called "budwzr": forums.neurostechnology.com
[09:50]	<nerochiaro>	greyback: ok
[09:50]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i'm not really able to tell
[09:50]	<crweb>	whers the file? I'll take a look at it
[09:51]	<greyback>	he encoded the audio at 160kbps, reports sync failing after x minutes
[09:51]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: anyway, i need to have hard proof that's the issue, evidence from just watching isn't going to cut it
[09:51]	<crweb>	greyback: did he mention if he encoded the audio after, or during the video encode?
[09:51]	<greyback>	I've got one or two files which crash the OSD completely if you'd like:)
[09:52]	<greyback>	crweb: It was AutoGK, I don't know how it does it. He followed the default settings, aside from ramping up the audio rate
[09:52]	<crweb>	up the auto rate?
[09:52]	<crweb>	anyone tell him you can't increase audio quality via increasing bitrate?
[09:52]	<greyback>	well the default was 128kbps, he chose 160kbps
[09:52]	<crweb>	thats why
[09:52]	<crweb>	then i bet he just "copied" the video stream
[09:53]	<crweb>	which breaks frame sync with audio
[09:53]	<greyback>	This is where I'll nod, pretend I'm following, and merge silently into the background...
[09:53]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: ftp.neuros.com.cn (look at the Abba clip in there)
[09:54]	<crweb>	u/p
[09:54]	<crweb>	ah got it
[09:55]	<crweb>	oh joy... 2kb/s
[09:55]	<nerochiaro>	did i say audio slower than video or video slower than audio ? it's the second
[09:55]	<crweb>	AH!
[09:55]	<crweb>	that changes everything
[09:55]	<crweb>	he screwed up the file
[09:56]	<crweb>	i'll confirm real quick
[09:56]	<crweb>	well.. "real quick"
[09:56]	<nerochiaro>	what i need is: playing the file in vlc or mplayer with certain flag should tell me "i'm compensating for screwed up file"
[09:56]	<crweb>	as in, sometime before sunday
[09:57]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: or in some other application. anything that's "proof"
[09:57]	<crweb>	i don't remember the details right of hand.
[09:57]	<nerochiaro>	and can be applied to other files too
[09:58]	<crweb>	I did a lot of explore, and experience with ecoding and stuff
[09:58]	<crweb>	greyback: he should send us the original
[09:58]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: didn't know. maybe you cna give a better opinion on some of these sync issues. i'm really clueless
[10:00]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i'm sending you an email with coordinates of some of these stuff, for when you get better
[10:00]	<crweb>	ok
[10:00]	<greyback>	crweb: Can you get in touch with him then: forums.neurostechnology.com
[10:00]	<crweb>	but.. that means i have to login...
[10:00]	<crweb>	lol j/k.
[10:01]	<greyback>	Sorry mate, I know how nasty those forums are:)
[10:01]	<greyback>	www.ctrlaltdel-online.com
[10:02]	<crweb>	lol
[10:02]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[11:46]	<JohnDesigner>	Howdy vmarks
[11:47]	<vmarks>	hi JohnDesigner !
[11:47]	<JohnDesigner>	yo!
[11:47]	<vmarks>	OY!
[11:47]	<vmarks>	YOU THERE!
[11:47]	<vmarks>	how are you?
[11:47]	<JohnDesigner>	are you talkin to me?
[11:47]	<JohnDesigner>	I dont see anyone else here
[11:47]	<vmarks>	I don't see anyone else around, so you must be talkin to me.
[11:48]	<JohnDesigner>	nice
[11:48]	<vmarks>	well done, travis.
[11:48]	<JohnDesigner>	my freakin cable company has me in that mood
[11:48]	<vmarks>	well, they are the cable co.
[11:48]	<JohnDesigner>	they switched to digital already
[11:49]	<vmarks>	I mean, why would you trust your telephone and internet to the same people who are incapable of delivering tv and billing reasonably for it?
[11:49]	<JohnDesigner>	and now I *need* a converter box for every outlet
[11:49]	<vmarks>	wha?
[11:49]	<vmarks>	tell more.
[11:49]	<JohnDesigner>	yep
[11:49]	<vmarks>	this is comcast chi-town?
[11:49]	<JohnDesigner>	rcn
[11:49]	<JohnDesigner>	stupid jerks
[11:49]	<vmarks>	so what are they doing, encoding QAM256 on every channel?
[11:49]	<JohnDesigner>	according to them, it needs to be one of their boxes too
[11:50]	<vmarks>	because the notion was that cable and sat were going to be the last to go all dig.
[11:50]	<vmarks>	and it does have to be one of their boxes (or a box similar to the ones they ship) because the converter boxes sold in stores are for ATSC, or over the air, only
[11:50]	<vmarks>	they're doing QAM 64/256
[11:50]	<vmarks>	if they're sane.
[11:50]	<JohnDesigner>	i dont know. I'm really not well versed in video signals and such
[11:51]	<vmarks>	so they just pulled this switch without warning?
[11:51]	<JohnDesigner>	no, they sent out cards and letters for a while
[11:51]	<JohnDesigner>	got kind of annoying really
[11:51]	<vmarks>	traditionally, they're meant to keep channels 1-126 analog, and the rest as digital.
[11:52]	<vmarks>	but they're cable cos. nothing prohibits them from doing what they did here, other than good sense.
[11:52]	<JohnDesigner>	but the small print is (oh yeah, you need our cable decoder for every tv now)
[11:52]	<vmarks>	which isn't all that common.
[11:52]	<JohnDesigner>	for RCN in Chicago, its now all digital all the time
[11:53]	<JohnDesigner>	do you know if I can just get a generic decoder (with correct specs) so I can decode the basic linup?
[11:53]	<JohnDesigner>	dos it work that way?
[11:53]	<vmarks>	not exactly.
[11:54]	<vmarks>	any qam256 decoder will be able to get the unencrypted channels, but they can encrypt as they please, which is why you need a box they issue, or the same model box (moto dct-xxx whatever for example) so that you'll be able to get it authed on their network (it has its own MAC address, just like an ethernet card) and so they can auth it to let you view the encrypted channels.
[11:54]	<JohnDesigner>	my tivo kind of sucks now. my tivo series 2 doesnt support cableCARD, so every time i change a channel, there is a delay for the ir blaster. Its like surfing with a slow inet connection
[11:55]	<vmarks>	you can set the ir blaster on tivo to blast faster.
[11:55]	<vmarks>	but it will still have some delay.
[11:55]	<vmarks>	which is why I surf with the guide on your tivo.
[11:55]	<vmarks>	btw, do you use the two column guide on your tivo?
[11:55]	<vmarks>	I love that guide.
[11:55]	<JohnDesigner>	i olove that one also
[11:56]	<JohnDesigner>	yeah, the two column ruined me for the standard type guide now.
[11:56]	<vmarks>	I'm waiting for tivo to offer me to move my lifetime subscription to a new tivohd box.
[11:56]	<vmarks>	if they make that offer, I may upgrade my tivo.
[11:56]	<JohnDesigner>	thats some good info on the qam256. thanks
[11:56]	<vmarks>	but I won't buy another if I can't have my lifetime.
[11:57]	<vmarks>	you can always ask me for help on that cable stuff.
[11:57]	<vmarks>	a valid question is, how much is encrypted on their cable line now that they've done this?
[11:57]	<vmarks>	could be some, all, or none.
[11:57]	<JohnDesigner>	if I'm going to spend $500 + on a DVR, I'll build one (finally).
[11:57]	<vmarks>	I expect some, but would hope against all.
[11:57]	<vmarks>	building one is a fool's effort, unless it's an osd.
[11:58]	<JohnDesigner>	you think so?
[11:58]	<vmarks>	seriously, a PC at the tv... I haven't been happy with any of the ones I've done. I've done mythtv, I've done windows media center, I've done the Mac with eyetv...
[11:58]	<vmarks>	the mac with eyetv was the best of them, but even it...
[11:59]	<JohnDesigner>	2 years ago I started building one, then became distracted by something shiny and forgot what i was doing.
[11:59]	<JohnDesigner>	i hear you about the PC at the tv
[11:59]	<vmarks>	I mean, do you really want to have a keyboard and mouse around, cables for audio, video, remote IR receiver (or RF if you go that route)...
[11:59]	<vmarks>	and then if you have a wife or GF, teaching them how to use it...
[11:59]	<JohnDesigner>	that is no good. Actually, that PCness is why I didn;t build at the time
[12:00]	<vmarks>	it gives you an appreciation for why tivo works as well as it does.
[12:00]	<JohnDesigner>	now I'm broke so that doesn't helpo matters
[12:00]	<vmarks>	what, is joeborn not paying?
[12:00]	<vmarks>	or are you spending too fast...
[12:00]	<JohnDesigner>	true, i do love that tivo does what it does well. I wish it streamed divx and mp4
[12:01]	<JohnDesigner>	the GF doesnt use the Tivo now, so a new device isnt going to matter in that respect.
[12:01]	<vmarks>	my wife loves the tivo.
[12:01]	<vmarks>	doesn't do season passes with it, but uses the guide and the pause/rew/ff
[12:02]	<vmarks>	and if I forget to ff through commercials, she looks at me with an annoyed look and says 'do we really have to watch this?'
[12:02]	<JohnDesigner>	ha! i get that one too.
[12:02]	<JohnDesigner>	"oh, righto, we can FF thru these I guess huh."
[12:03]	<JohnDesigner>	the season passes are *killer*
[12:03]	<vmarks>	yes, they are.
[12:03]	<vmarks>	eyetv 3 on mac does all that now.
[12:03]	<vmarks>	finally.
[12:03]	<JohnDesigner>	say, I saw a enhancement request to support...what was it called..
[12:04]	<vmarks>	so a mac mini with eyetv3 at the tv works mostly.
[12:04]	<JohnDesigner>	www.thetvdb.com
[12:04]	<JohnDesigner>	vmarks: are you familiar with that?
[12:05]	<vmarks>	seems like imdb for tv, only imdb already does this.
[12:05]	<vmarks>	but nice.
[12:05]	<vmarks>	meedios shows some promise.
[12:05]	<vmarks>	I haven't had good luck with mediaportal yet, but I wanted it to work.
[12:06]	<JohnDesigner>	I have looked at the meedios site, but ahve not played with the SW
[12:06]	<JohnDesigner>	media portal seems pretty good for a minorly skilled DIY guy such as myself.
[12:08]	<JohnDesigner>	must be a meedio installer somewhere I wonder. Since yahoo bought their stuff, I cant find a link. I'm too late to that party
[12:08]	<JohnDesigner>	I tried the Yahoo incarnation of it. Meh.
[12:12]	<JohnDesigner>	well, its not that bad. just not my taste really.
[12:27]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: ping?
[12:27]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: oi
[12:27]	<crweb>	msn died
[12:27]	<crweb>	won't let me reconnect, "server not found"
[12:27]	<crweb>	you get my gmail messages?
[12:28]	<crweb>	i'm on kansas city node too, so thats why i went down and chicago didn't
[12:29]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: can you see Jabber messages ?
[12:29]	<crweb>	nope..
[12:29]	<crweb>	gmail died
[14:40]	<DeepB>	crweb: gmail AND msn died? and you alive? :)
[14:51]	<gremlin[it]>	good evening!
[14:55]	<greyback>	gremlin[it]: hey there, how goes OE?
[14:56]	<greyback>	I've read your progress so far, I'm seriously impressed, and delighted that Neuros are interested
[14:59]	<gremlin[it]>	hi greyback! ... I'm happy too that Neuros is interested in OE ...
[21:04]	<daurnimator>	hey
[21:05]	<daurnimator>	are we at all able to use high quality youtube vids?
[21:05]	<daurnimator>	or is the current quality the best we can decode
[21:07]	<daurnimator>	( try adding &fmt=18 or &fmt=6 to the end of a youtube url)