[00:10]	<JoeXBorn>	jkridner: welcome
[00:11]	<jkridner>	JoeXBorn, thanks.
[00:11]	<jkridner>	it was great having you at TIDC last week. I think we had a great show.
[00:12]	<jkridner>	It really helped to motivate me in pushing those USB patches upstream.
[00:13]	<JoeXBorn>	great, that's good news!
[00:13]	<jkridner>	I guess I've been pretty intimidated to do so (because I know there are so many issues to work through), but I was convinced the best way to work through them is by starting to send some code.
[00:14]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, I got that impression too.
[00:14]	<jkridner>	I'm trying to think of the right platform to start. Probably the DM6446 DVEVM.
[00:14]	<JoeBorn>	great!
[00:16]	<jkridner>	well, I just thought I'd lurk a bit before heading off to sleep. goodnight all.
[00:23]	<crweb>	usb patches?
[00:29]	<JoeBorn>	night
[00:29]	<JoeBorn>	crweb: davinci
[00:30]	<crweb>	aww
[00:44]	<daurnimator>	hi JoeBorn
[01:57]	<DallasClark>	hi whats going on
[01:58]	<vmarks>	hi
[01:59]	<DallasClark>	is there a way to do schedule listings on the osd?
[02:00]	<nerochiaro>	DallasClark: not yet
[02:03]	<nerochiaro>	DallasClark: the plan is to work on it again in the next months
[02:04]	<DallasClark>	neuros will?
[02:04]	<DallasClark>	cool
[02:04]	<nerochiaro>	yes, if all goes according to plan
[02:04]	<DallasClark>	thanks
[02:04]	<nerochiaro>	you're welcome
[02:17]	<crweb>	jkridner: what kind of patches for usb?
[03:04]	<BIMZIE>	hi nerochiaro
[03:04]	<BIMZIE>	how u doin man
[03:05]	<nerochiaro>	quite busy, but ok
[03:05]	<BIMZIE>	ahh best o luck for woteva u a doin
[03:06]	<nerochiaro>	thanks
[03:08]	<BIMZIE>	nero temme if i want to decrease the font of nclock then do i need it do it wid its geometry or wot?
[03:08]	<nerochiaro>	setFont should be enough i think
[03:10]	<BIMZIE>	do clock overrides lablel font property....
[03:11]	<BIMZIE>	it does
[03:11]	<BIMZIE>	:)
[03:11]	<BIMZIE>	and i was having some problem wid main-menu bg image
[03:11]	<BIMZIE>	it had some gradient effect
[03:12]	<BIMZIE>	but when it loads the image wid gradient effect it made it look so bad..
[03:15]	<BIMZIE>	do u have any idea to load some bg image wid effects
[03:17]	<BIMZIE>	m using gimp for image creation
[03:17]	<BIMZIE>	u thr nerochairo?
[03:19]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: sorry, i'm really busy now, i can help you maybe later or tomorrow
[03:22]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: ask JohnDesigner about the images, he's the one making them. he's using photoshop i think, but you should be able to use GIMP too
[03:32]	<BIMZIE>	no prob man..... carry on wid ur work
[05:11]	<BIMZIE>	hey john u here?
[05:28]	<gremlin[it]>	hi all!
[06:29]	<jkridner>	crweb: performance improvements.
[06:29]	<jkridner>	for MSC file-backed storage gadget driver.
[06:59]	<BIMZIE>	nero still busy?
[06:59]	<BIMZIE>	:)
[06:59]	<nerochiaro>	yes, i'm sorry. monday is a very ugly day :P
[06:59]	<BIMZIE>	yeah it is...
[06:59]	<BIMZIE>	:)
[07:02]	<gremlin[it]>	hi nerochiaro !
[07:04]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: hi
[08:50]	<BIMZIE>	hi john
[09:07]	<johndesign>	hi BIMZIE
[09:08]	<johndesign>	BIMZIE: still around? I saw from the ORC logs that you had a question about image files on the OSD.
[09:09]	<johndesign>	BIMZIE: do you still need information on that subject?
[09:09]	<vmarks>	hi
[09:09]	<johndesign>	vmarks: hay!
[09:10]	<johndesign>	BIMZIE: in general, if you can avoid using picture files altogether, your app will run faster on the OSD.
[09:12]	<johndesign>	BIMZIE: but the general guideline to follow is 1) small pixel count as possible 2) 16bit .gif or png-8 3) dither gradients
[09:13]	<johndesign>	BIMZIE: 4) if the image needs to have transparent pixels, binary transparency is best (hence the .gif or png-8)
[09:14]	<johndesign>	BIMZIE: 5) Tile backgrounds wherever possible.
[09:31]	<gremlin[it]>	hi JohnDesigner
[09:31]	<JohnDesigner>	hi gremlin[it]
[09:31]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: how are things?
[09:32]	<JohnDesigner>	things = stuff = general goings on in gremlin[it] world
[09:41]	<gremlin[it]>	mhhh work and related professional/hacking stuff good ... private life not so good ;)
[09:41]	<gremlin[it]>	what about you ?
[09:41]	<JohnDesigner>	sorry to hear about the private side not going so good.
[09:42]	<JohnDesigner>	remember, its is always darkest before it goes pitch black.
[09:42]	<gremlin[it]>	don't worry ... just standard "bad things" of a single life :)
[09:43]	<gremlin[it]>	JohnDesigner, ... you have to know i wear in black since i was 16 .. :D
[09:43]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: dude you should get in touch with these girls of that blog you pointed out the other day. you said they were "friends of yours" ;)
[09:43]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: thats good then. Wait..not good, but better than..well you know what I mean ;)
[09:44]	<gremlin[it]>	heheheh yes yes but they are very dangerous girls ... REALLY dangerous :)
[09:44]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: listen to nerochiaro, he is wise beyond his years
[09:45]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: that is an interesting kind of dangerous from the looks of it
[09:45]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: dangerous sounds better than dull. Until your CD collection is stolen and you're brought up on a bogus meth selling rap that is.
[09:46]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner: now, *that* that sounds scary
[09:46]	<gremlin[it]>	yes .. the kind of hazard is fine to taste time to time ;)
[09:47]	<JohnDesigner>	gives you a story to drink by in any case. Provided you live through the ordeal.
[09:47]	<gremlin[it]>	hahahah !!!
[09:49]	<gremlin[it]>	nerochiaro, two of the sickgirl appear in the latest video of FabriFibra title:"la Soluzione" ...
[09:49]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: is that on youtube ?
[09:49]	<nerochiaro>	or similar place ?
[09:50]	<gremlin[it]>	yes probably ... wait i give you the link
[09:51]	<nerochiaro>	i'll try to play it with the OSD. i'm testing the youtube player right now anyway :P
[09:51]	<gremlin[it]>	www.sickgirl.it
[09:52]	<gremlin[it]>	www.youtube.com
[09:54]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: eww, that hip hop stuff is really something i can't listen to for more than 35 seconds. at most
[09:55]	<gremlin[it]>	Yes i agree with you ... ! ...
[09:55]	* JohnDesigner  thirds the sentiment
[09:56]	<gremlin[it]>	but ... specially in US videos, can we talk about girls appears on hip hop videos ? ... so low down the volume and see ... HAHAHAHHAAH :D
[09:57]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[13:00]	<gremlin[it]>	hi all !
[13:01]	<JohnDesigner>	hello gremlin[it]
[13:02]	<gremlin[it]>	so JohnDesigner what's about your stuff ... ?
[13:02]	<JohnDesigner>	my stuff is moving along well so far, thanks
[13:03]	<gremlin[it]>	good!
[13:04]	<gremlin[it]>	i forgot where are u ?
[13:07]	<JohnDesigner>	Chicago
[13:07]	<gremlin[it]>	same place as crweb ?
[13:08]	<JohnDesigner>	more or less, yes. crweb is a couple of hours drive south.
[13:14]	<gremlin[it]>	probably the closest place i saw was toronto :)
[13:17]	<gremlin[it]>	how is weather now and on year ?
[13:44]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: its cold and snowy here. Not snowing ATM, but we've received a fair amount of snow this season.
[13:45]	<gremlin[it]>	mhhhh ... i don't like so much cold places ...
[13:45]	<JohnDesigner>	which is great for my Norwegian blood ;)
[13:45]	<gremlin[it]>	hahahah :) .. . that explain it all :) ...
[13:45]	<JohnDesigner>	not a fan of the cold yourself eh? prefer warm climates?
[13:46]	<JohnDesigner>	I'd go bananas living somewhere like California, where its 70 deg and sunny all the time.
[13:46]	<nerochiaro>	JohnDesigner is a viking, actully. his family was already there way before 1492
[13:46]	<gremlin[it]>	yes usually yes ... i spend couple of time in Phoenix and i'm in love with that place 1
[13:46]	<JohnDesigner>	hehe
[13:47]	<gremlin[it]>	hahahah :)
[13:47]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: I see. My parents live in Phoenix (Dad drydocked the longboat ;))
[13:47]	<JohnDesigner>	Phoenix is like one big catbox to me
[13:47]	<nerochiaro>	smelly ?
[13:48]	<JohnDesigner>	heh, I mean same gravelly consistentcy everywhere.
[13:49]	<gremlin[it]>	i have a trully dear friend there ... not phoenix city ... around ...
[13:49]	<gremlin[it]>	hehehe sand everywhere ...
[13:49]	<JohnDesigner>	Phoenix is anyway. Tuscon is a _little_ varied. Flagstaff has some greenery anyway.
[13:49]	<gremlin[it]>	it's desert place ...
[13:50]	<JohnDesigner>	that is true. Phoenix is growing so fast that they are facing a water shortage.
[13:50]	<JohnDesigner>	can't imagine why.
[13:50]	<gremlin[it]>	i was impressed by cactus everywhere ...
[13:50]	<JohnDesigner>	could be that its a *desert* as you stated gremlin[it]
[13:51]	<gremlin[it]>	JohnDesigner but it's on the desert ... is easy :)
[13:51]	<JohnDesigner>	the cactii are impressive, that I agree with
[13:52]	<gremlin[it]>	my friend are in Scottsdale
[13:52]	<gremlin[it]>	www.gremlin.it
[14:36]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: it sure is some beautiful country in the southwest. I should explain that my previous beef is only with phoenix city limits
[15:02]	<gremlin[it]>	g'night all !
[17:37]	<vmarks>	hi
[18:01]	<JohnDesigner>	hi vmarks , whats shakin?
[18:02]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: thats an interesting idea to use the number keys on the softKeyboard.
[18:03]	<greyback>	JohnDesigner: yeah, but I can see it being confusing
[18:04]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: at first glance, I read it as "allow number keys to be used to input numerals in softKeyboard"
[18:04]	<vmarks>	how are you my friend?
[18:05]	<greyback>	I don't think I did a very good job explaining it.
[18:05]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: which is interesting on its own.
[18:05]	<greyback>	JohnDesigner: hmm, you're right there
[18:05]	<greyback>	every lil helps
[18:05]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: naw, I thought you made a fine explanation
[18:05]	<greyback>	JohnDesigner: pfft, you just sayin dat
[18:05]	<greyback>	:)
[18:06]	<JohnDesigner>	vmarks: I'm doing well my friend, y tu?
[18:06]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: heh, I would just say that, but I am not at this time ;)
[18:07]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: its a tricky little idea to explain. simple, yet not.
[18:09]	<greyback>	greyback: Yeah, well it's in your hands now. I'd not like to design a GUI incorporating both notions simultaneously, but it might be interesting
[18:09]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: what do you think about only using the number keys as shortcuts to input numerals, not duplicating the T9 functionality
[18:09]	<JohnDesigner>	?
[18:10]	<greyback>	JohnDesigner: It's not bad, certainly it's good to use those keys, but most of the time I'm inputting alphabetical chars (youtube, usernames, etc)
[18:10]	<greyback>	I do like the keyboard, but as I've said before, my mates don't.
[18:11]	<greyback>	Whatcha gonna do?
[18:11]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: what don't they like about it?
[18:11]	<greyback>	I think they're more used to T9, and perhaps think it's faster
[18:11]	<greyback>	Certainly fewer keypresses required
[18:12]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: I can see how it would be faster if you are adept at the t9 method.
[18:12]	<JohnDesigner>	t9 drives me mad personally
[18:13]	<greyback>	We're avid texters here in Ireland. Many can type a sentence without looking at the screen.
[18:13]	<greyback>	It really is just a matter of choice. And so giving the choice is your safest bet
[18:14]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: that is impressive. First Shepards Pie and boiled steak, now blind texting!
[18:14]	<greyback>	Ah, sure we're a mighty bunch o lads :)
[18:15]	<JohnDesigner>	indeed you are a facinating bunch
[18:15]	<greyback>	See how we infest other cultures with our Riverdancing abilities and dodgy boy bands!
[18:16]	<JohnDesigner>	lol, nice
[18:16]	<greyback>	Marvel at how strangely we all talk according to Hollywood
[18:16]	<greyback>	Peirce Brosnan is Irish, and I've heard him stick on one of the worst Oirish accents I've ever heard.
[18:17]	<JohnDesigner>	speaking of Hollywood and Ireland, I won't hold Collin Ferrell against you ;)
[18:18]	<JohnDesigner>	really? one of your countrymen butchering the dialect?
[18:18]	<greyback>	We've got much to be proud of, and much to sweep under the carpet and never mention to the neighbours
[18:20]	<JohnDesigner>	couldn't be as bad as Brad Pitt in "The Devils Own". That was painful even though I don't truly know the nuances of the proper accent.
[18:20]	<JohnDesigner>	sorry about that
[18:21]	<greyback>	Yeah, but we get a bit of a laugh out of it in the end. It's hard to take two characters supposedly from the IRA seriously when all they're doing is bejaysus and begorrah-ing. Gives a sparkle to an otherwise bland flick
[18:22]	<greyback>	Devils Own was definitely one of those
[18:23]	<JohnDesigner>	it made even me wince thinking of what a true irishman such as yourself must hear in that case.
[18:23]	<JohnDesigner>	good that you could treat it as a comedy
[18:24]	<greyback>	It's worth a laugh, we can put it on for the tourists. And they get real excited when we speak Irish in pubs
[18:24]	<greyback>	It's usually good for a free drink or two
[18:24]	<greyback>	And have roped a lassie or two for my troubles ;)
[18:26]	<JohnDesigner>	Feels like I mentioned this to you already, but go to any decent sized American city, find an Irish pub and you will also find at least one set of Irish tourists.
[18:28]	<JohnDesigner>	Interesting how that works. Maybe my experiencing that was just a coincidence, but I doubt it.
[18:28]	<JohnDesigner>	looking for a slice of home for a time i gather.
[18:29]	<greyback>	Probably
[18:29]	<JohnDesigner>	wrt the t9 function, lets see what happens there, but I suspect that adding that support to the softKeyboard is no small effort. However, I can't say for sure.
[18:29]	<greyback>	I do try not to go to Irish pubs in other countries, but it's .. it's just so damn easy.
[18:30]	<greyback>	JohnDesigner: no worries, it was just an idea
[18:30]	<greyback>	I just wanted to stick it in your head and see what you thought
[18:30]	<JohnDesigner>	I can see that being interesting in its own way. seeing how other countries capture the experience and all that
[18:31]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: have you been to Chicago before?
[18:32]	<greyback>	Yeah, Irish pubs can be hit or miss. Some are set up by real Irish folk and keep the old style traditions going. Others just point out the fact that the Irish drink lots, and so you could too!
[18:32]	<greyback>	Not been to America yet :(
[18:33]	<greyback>	It's too big, it demands a 3 month tour, minimum. Hopefully once I'm finished studying I can head off round that way
[18:33]	<JohnDesigner>	there is a large Irish population here, therefore many pubs :)
[18:33]	<greyback>	Maybe get a job there *cough* :)
[18:33]	<greyback>	So I hear, Boston, NY and Chicago have big Irish communities.
[18:34]	<JohnDesigner>	Neuros only has *careers*, we don't have these 'jobs' of which you speak
[18:35]	<greyback>	We have something called a "Fleadh Cheoil" (pronounded flaah keeowl) where Irish musicians and dancers from all around the world meet in a small town and compete.
[18:35]	<JohnDesigner>	ya, Boston even more so than Chicago from what I understand.
[18:35]	<greyback>	The number of teams from America always surprise me, and they're really good. And have the language too
[18:35]	<JohnDesigner>	that sounds like good fun
[18:35]	<greyback>	You get paid for having a career, right?
[18:36]	<greyback>	It's fantastic, the town just explodes into a mad mess of dancing on the streets, drinking anywhere and everywhere, and sheer fun. It's great
[18:36]	<JohnDesigner>	job satisfaction is payment enough for me. I only asked for free hotdogs on the first Tuesday.
[18:37]	<vmarks>	JohnDesigner, I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
[18:37]	<JohnDesigner>	its a deal wimpy, er, vmarks
[18:38]	<greyback>	JohnDesigner: *sniff* that's beautiful
[18:38]	<greyback>	have a free ketchup on me
[18:38]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: I can only imagine how much of a good time that festival must be.
[18:39]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: ya, I go down to JoeBorn's Van down by the river to trade ketchup packets for saltines. Its a good system really.
[18:39]	<greyback>	One woman I met there was competing in the singing. She'd come from Arizona I think. Irish ancestry anyway. She'd learnt old Irish ballads and was singing them, and hadn't a clue what they meant, she'd just learnt the sounds
[18:40]	<greyback>	I spent ages translating them for her.
[18:40]	<greyback>	burgers and saltines, everything that a growing boy needs
[18:41]	<JohnDesigner>	yep, and thats all I need. And this paddle game, but thats it.
[18:41]	<greyback>	Ahh, nothing can beat ball on a stick.
[18:41]	<greyback>	Where's the ball gone?
[18:41]	<greyback>	Oh, there it is
[18:41]	<greyback>	Endless fun
[18:42]	<JohnDesigner>	she didn't know the meanings at all? I bet you were all but too eager to show her all things Irish ;)
[18:43]	<greyback>	"Would you like some sex and pizza?" ... "What? You don't like pizza?"
[18:44]	<greyback>	That's enough of that, it's lights out time here.
[18:44]	<JohnDesigner>	greyback: so do you find it awkward at times like that, what with your kilt giving away the surprise and all?
[18:45]	<JohnDesigner>	okay, ttyl
[18:45]	<greyback>	That's a story for another time, lil Johnny, now you close your eyes and wait for sleepy-pies
[18:45]	<greyback>	Goodnight all!
[22:19]	<daurn>	hi
[22:42]	<DallasClark>	hi