[01:31]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: ping. Assuming no HW limitations, does QT support flash movie based widgets? For instance if an "icon" animation that would pulse larger and smaller, but be a self contained flash movie.
[01:31]	<nerochiaro>	flash and QT are two different things
[01:49]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: different meaning that .swf cannot be used under QT environment in any reasonably conceivable manner?
[01:50]	<nerochiaro>	not tightly integrated into the GUI as you would like, in my opinion
[01:50]	<nerochiaro>	you can have a widget somewhere that show some flash stuff
[01:50]	<nerochiaro>	but not make GUI pieces with it
[01:51]	<nerochiaro>	at least not in an easy way
[02:01]	<JohnDesigner>	okay, thanks for the info. I'm not looking to convert to using .swf's, but the construction of that format is a more tangible concept to me.
[02:02]	<nerochiaro>	i know, but the best we can do is to look at your flash mock ups and do the real GUI based on these
[02:31]	<JohnDesigner>	understood. I was pondering that with some added HW freedom, using swfs in isolated areas as decoration might save you some time. No matter.
[02:31]	<nerochiaro>	it just makes things more complicated
[02:31]	<JohnDesigner>	riger
[02:31]	<nerochiaro>	we need to talk a bit abuot that GPU stuff, but later
[02:31]	<JohnDesigner>	err, roger :)
[02:32]	<JohnDesigner>	okay, that would be good to talk about that.
[02:44]	<crweb>	linux can't really view swf files...
[02:45]	<crweb>	and def. not interactively
[02:47]	<crweb>	some freaking update to ubuntu 7.1 yesterday has caused my firefox to start segv'ing on start :/
[02:47]	<crweb>	at to apt-get remove --purge it then reinstall :(
[02:47]	<crweb>	err had to
[03:17]	* daurnimator  waves
[03:40]	* crweb  waves and smacks self in face.
[03:40]	<crweb>	... got excited..
[03:47]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: have we gotten any gpu news ?
[03:47]	<nerochiaro>	check ML
[03:47]	<nerochiaro>	we should talk with John too
[03:47]	<nerochiaro>	but later
[03:47]	<nerochiaro>	i'm looking at upgrader now
[03:50]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: what name did we pick for the user apps area on ext ? /ext/users ?
[03:50]	<crweb>	yes
[03:52]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: finally. information
[03:53]	<nerochiaro>	sorry ?
[03:53]	<crweb>	on the ML
[03:53]	<nerochiaro>	ah, ok. later please
[03:53]	<crweb>	yes, np
[04:18]	<daurnimator>	thanks nero ;)
[04:18]	<nerochiaro>	daurnimator: of what ?
[05:00]	<crweb>	everyone.. JohnDesigner hates midgets...
[05:00]	<crweb>	lol... heh...
[05:01]	<nerochiaro>	that was kind of weird...
[05:01]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb is running a smear campaign. pay no attention to his rantings.
[05:01]	<crweb>	don't even look at our official gpu convorsation...
[05:02]	<crweb>	heh.. wonder if that counts as some sort of "jokes around the water cooler"...
[05:03]	<JohnDesigner>	SILENCE! I shall have no more of this insolence!
[05:03]	<nerochiaro>	jokes around the Neuros-Cooler, even
[05:03]	<crweb>	it is a joke...
[05:03]	<JohnDesigner>	ha, neuros cooler, I get it
[05:03]	<crweb>	ouch.... /me goes back to reading upgrader patches...
[05:04]	<JohnDesigner>	ya, read that silence thing with a bad empresario tone. i forgot that part
[05:04]	<JohnDesigner>	limitations of print and whatnot
[05:04]	<crweb>	i'm sorry what? your font smudged..
[05:05]	<JohnDesigner>	ack
[05:06]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: I would like to take this opportunity to formally apologize for my recent behavior brought on by stress.
[05:06]	<JohnDesigner>	no need to punish the font, it is innocent
[05:07]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: your input is still being denied.
[05:07]	* JohnDesigner  looks up "ping flood" and a few other nasty sounding things he doesn't understnd
[05:08]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: I'd go for the trout slap but I'm sure you're wise to that 'un
[05:11]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: i need a chip digital camera, that your department?
[05:12]	<JohnDesigner>	cheap?
[05:12]	<crweb>	as in good qualty but less than 250
[05:12]	<JohnDesigner>	all this talk of chips has me confused ;)
[05:12]	<crweb>	corn or potato?
[05:13]	<crweb>	hmmm... yeah.. maybe its break time..
[05:13]	<JohnDesigner>	no, like ponch and john
[05:13]	<JohnDesigner>	oh, thats "CHIPs"
[05:14]	<JohnDesigner>	err CHiPs
[05:14]	<JohnDesigner>	daaa da dedetdaaa...
[05:16]	<JohnDesigner>	PSP is capable of rendering 33 million flat-shaded polygons per second, with a 664 million pixel per second fill rate
[05:16]	<JohnDesigner>	not that I understand that, but it sound impressive to the folks back home
[05:17]	<JohnDesigner>	PSP is capable of rendering 33 million flat-shaded polygons per second, with a 664 million pixel per second fill rate
[05:17]	<JohnDesigner>	you missed that
[05:17]	<crweb>	crap... time for a reinstall
[05:17]	<crweb>	stuff is randomly segfaulting
[05:17]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: well, those specs are for video games.
[05:18]	<JohnDesigner>	sure, that much I know, but I didn't mention my uber-gaming machine plans?
[05:18]	<gremlin[it]>	good morning all !
[05:18]	<JohnDesigner>	gremlin[it]: hello
[05:18]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: i agree, it should beable to play snes, nes, gameboy, etc
[05:19]	<JohnDesigner>	sweeet
[05:19]	<crweb>	pretty basic requirement of embedded devices now days
[05:20]	<crweb>	i'm afraid the cpu is probably to slow though
[05:20]	<crweb>	regardless of gpu
[05:21]	<JohnDesigner>	PSP - The 166 MHz graphics chip has 2 MiB embedded memory
[05:22]	<JohnDesigner>	there, done.
[05:26]	<crweb>	that should be plenty
[05:36]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: they found the scrollbar fix
[05:36]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: you're suppose to call visable, not show()
[05:37]	<nerochiaro>	setVisible you mean ?
[05:37]	<crweb>	yeah
[05:37]	<nerochiaro>	forward to Steven
[05:37]	<crweb>	steven found it because wesley did it
[05:39]	<nerochiaro>	i thought you got it from trolltech
[05:40]	<nerochiaro>	i saw from wesley only a fix for scrollbar transparency
[05:40]	<crweb>	nope, we were still discussing
[05:40]	<crweb>	right, you told steven to look and i guess he realised the error
[05:40]	<nerochiaro>	he said to me it didn't work
[05:40]	<crweb>	he just said he found issue
[05:40]	<crweb>	like.. 2 min ago
[05:41]	<nerochiaro>	ah, ok, didn't reach me yet then
[05:41]	<nerochiaro>	doesn't show call setVisible anyway ?
[05:41]	<crweb>	yeah, but does other stuff too
[05:42]	<crweb>	you can't call show from inside a painter
[05:42]	<nerochiaro>	ok
[05:42]	<crweb>	i think is what it is. some little gothca in there that is even written in the books
[05:42]	<nerochiaro>	you actually shouldn't call setVisible either from withing hte painter
[05:42]	<nerochiaro>	you should call it outside
[05:42]	<crweb>	let me re-read this
[05:43]	<crweb>	ok
[05:43]	<nerochiaro>	still waiting for it to arrive here
[05:43]	<crweb>	the problem is when we created it, it wasn't visible
[05:43]	<crweb>	so it wasn't visible when the View painter painted
[05:43]	<crweb>	so, set visible in the scrollbar constructor right off the bat
[05:44]	<crweb>	causes the View to paint it
[05:44]	<crweb>	though, this should be done outside
[05:44]	<crweb>	even
[05:45]	<crweb>	oh it is
[05:45]	<crweb>	i get it.
[05:45]	<crweb>	scrollbar->setVisable(true) in the view's constructor
[05:46]	<crweb>	the bar was never being set to viewable by the view
[05:47]	<crweb>	odd that show() doesn't work there...
[05:47]	<crweb>	i think maybe show() kicks in that widgets painter
[05:47]	<nerochiaro>	yes, that's correct
[05:47]	<nerochiaro>	i mean, the stuff you said before
[05:47]	<crweb>	and something doesn't tell the view to update.
[05:48]	<nerochiaro>	don't know about that
[05:48]	<nerochiaro>	one would have to dig inside show function i guess
[05:48]	<nerochiaro>	but let's not do it
[05:48]	<nerochiaro>	it's fixed and we're happy
[05:48]	<crweb>	i'll mention it in email to trolltech. could be a bug
[05:49]	<nerochiaro>	good
[05:49]	<crweb>	we are already 2 versions outdated though
[05:50]	<nerochiaro>	arent' we 4.3 and latest is 4.4 ?
[05:50]	<crweb>	we are 4.3.2, current is 4.3.4
[05:52]	<crweb>	only 2 listed fixes in 4.3.4 that effect us. and a few listed in 4.3.3
[05:53]	<nerochiaro>	well, it's not urgent, in my opinion
[05:53]	<nerochiaro>	and not right thing to do in the state we are now
[05:53]	<crweb>	right
[05:53]	<crweb>	for az2
[05:54]	<crweb>	theres some gfx fixes for things that we are seeing in 4.3.3
[05:54]	<crweb>	crash fix for non-freetype builds
[05:55]	<crweb>	almost all qtopia-core fixes are painter issue fixes..
[05:57]	<nerochiaro>	nothing major i think
[05:57]	<nerochiaro>	az2 is safe
[06:13]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: writing that long overdue upgrader network bug email. just FYI
[06:14]	<crweb>	ok
[06:32]	<gremlin[it]>	hi nerochiaro, crweb
[06:34]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i'll be back in a little bit. I've got to reinstall this crapped out ubuntu
[06:34]	<crweb>	freaking stupid crap. all i did was run 1 update last night.
[06:34]	<gremlin[it]>	crweb, use Fedora ! :P
[06:34]	<crweb>	hell no
[06:35]	<crweb>	lol
[06:35]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: sure
[06:35]	<nerochiaro>	good luck
[07:04]	<JohnDesigner>	nerochiaro: FYI, I am working on a graphic abilities wishlist
[07:04]	<JohnDesigner>	for the gpu thing
[07:05]	<JohnDesigner>	mainly its just detailing with examples the items you already listed in your post.
[07:06]	<JohnDesigner>	2d stuff.
[07:07]	<JohnDesigner>	oh, and "shall have the ability to levitate while making the perfect cup of coffee"
[07:07]	<JohnDesigner>	dont think that last one will make the final cut tho
[07:11]	<crweb>	JohnDesigner: the transparency issue raised (alphablend) is actually a 3d thing
[07:12]	<JohnDesigner>	crweb: oh? well i mean of course it is. you passed the test. Well done!
[07:13]	<crweb>	pretty much figure than 95% of everything you want is 3D ;)
[07:13]	<JohnDesigner>	lately I feel like I should append every comment with "I really have no useful information about this, but .."
[07:14]	<crweb>	i'm j/k. it'll be ok
[07:15]	<JohnDesigner>	that thought is independent of your corrections that are much needed by me
[07:15]	<JohnDesigner>	one day it will happen...one day I shall know slightly more than I did previously
[07:16]	<crweb>	you should play more video games and read hardware reviews
[07:16]	<crweb>	seems to work for me.
[07:16]	<crweb>	now go. while still on the clock ;)
[07:16]	* crweb  hides from joe....
[07:17]	<JohnDesigner>	trouble is that I do play the games and assemble my computers. that has only garnered me enough chops to recognize the terms
[07:17]	<JohnDesigner>	but not know the implications of the terms in most cases.
[07:18]	<JohnDesigner>	and the assemble my computers part is from other peoples recipes
[07:19]	<JohnDesigner>	but I bet I could draw you a near perfect 30 degree ellipse on cue
[07:19]	<JohnDesigner>	now I just need to find a use for that skill outside of the auto industry
[07:30]	<BIMZIE>	hey nero which buttons are using ndostyle
[07:42]	<BIMZIE>	nerochiaro: man u thr?
[07:42]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: all
[07:43]	<BIMZIE>	ahan
[07:44]	<BIMZIE>	like those about, system reboot dialog buttons
[07:44]	<nerochiaro>	they should be changed to be like all the other ones, actually
[07:45]	<BIMZIE>	and are these styles only for buttons...? or there styles for labels etc... as well
[07:46]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i'm packing up a little pinguin for shipment to italy
[07:46]	<nerochiaro>	you can style any widget in the style class. for now we did only buttons
[07:46]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: awesome man, thanks
[07:47]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: let me know how much is postage
[07:47]	<BIMZIE>	thanx nero
[07:49]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: also declare something like 10$ or value on the package, so they will not bother me at customs
[07:50]	<crweb>	it was.. $10
[07:50]	<crweb>	lol
[07:52]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: if you don't put value, they hold it hostage and ask me to fax paperwork crap
[07:52]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: that's why i asked
[07:52]	<crweb>	ahh
[07:52]	<crweb>	i will make sure its on there.. i've never seen that spot on a form though
[07:52]	<nerochiaro>	maybe for private individuals is not there ?
[07:53]	<crweb>	i have no idea.
[07:53]	<crweb>	I shipped a crate of pepsi to sweden once.. thats about all my international experience
[07:53]	<nerochiaro>	hehe
[07:53]	<nerochiaro>	ok, don't sweat it too much, if it's not there don't worry, i'll handle it
[07:53]	<crweb>	friend had me send it to him cause it was cheaper to ship than buy
[07:54]	<crweb>	like $4 a can or something where he was at
[07:55]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: weird things globalization does
[07:55]	<crweb>	he was gone for 2 semesters, sent him 24, 24 packs
[07:56]	<crweb>	couple of hundred in shipping.
[07:57]	<crweb>	all for $120 of pepsi
[07:57]	<crweb>	which was like $2k there
[07:57]	<nerochiaro>	crazy
[07:59]	<allyourrejects>	he officialy went down :(.. piece of crap. definitely switching back to 32bit
[08:00]	<nerochiaro>	that's the way god created the world to be, you 64bit sinners are getting the divine retribution you deserve
[08:06]	<nerochiaro>	allyourrejects: bring up IM please
[08:08]	<allyourrejects>	its up
[08:10]	<vmarks>	64bit is so antiquated.
[08:10]	* vmarks  is operating in a 129bit world.
[08:10]	<vmarks>	128 rather.
[08:10]	<vmarks>	the 129th is just for good luck
[08:10]	<anders_>	128bit and a spare bit.
[08:45]	<joshin>	gremlin[it]: I've been working on and off in getting OE able to build firmware for the OSD. nerochiaro says that you have the kernel working and are most of the way there. So, how/where can I help in the effort?
[09:05]	<gremlin[it]>	hi joshin ! ... i upload something on hackers neuros svn repository
[09:05]	<joshin>	Awesome!
[09:05]	<gremlin[it]>	soon I'll work forward ...
[09:06]	<joshin>	ok, let me know what I can do to help.
[09:06]	<gremlin[it]>	ok thanks
[09:06]	<gremlin[it]>	as soos as possible i'll contact you to start work together
[09:07]	<gremlin[it]>	at FOSDEM I shown a OSD powered by OE playing a video on the OE stand :P
[09:08]	<joshin>	:
[09:08]	<joshin>	Cool.
[09:14]	<JohnDesigner>	hmm, I hit some unknown magic keyboard key and now my gmail cursor is a crosshair accompanied by a yellow stacked menu
[09:15]	<gremlin[it]>	JohnDesigner, give me the combo keys ... give me the combo keys ... AHHAHA :D
[09:16]	<JohnDesigner>	there was a new tiny icon on the bottom border bar. looked like a gear and tool tip said it was "web inspector" or some such
[09:17]	<JohnDesigner>	clicked it and it and the function is gone now.
[09:17]	<JohnDesigner>	I'll add that to the pile of things that confuse me
[09:22]	<JohnDesigner>	Iphone...Samsung chip (designated S5L8900) contains a 620 MHz ARM 1176 processor, together with a PowerVR MBX 3D graphics co-processor.
[09:33]	<vmarks>	why does that confuse you?
[09:42]	<gremlin[it]>	seem like latest TI OMAP 35xx
[10:19]	<JohnDesigner>	vmarks: it confuses me because I am a simple man.
[10:20]	<JohnDesigner>	it was the "web inspector thing that confused me since I dont recall enabling such a function before. <shrug>
[12:53]	<JoeBorn>	hi all
[13:28]	<gremlin[it]>	good evening !
[14:42]	<JoeBorn>	brutal indictment from PeeF on the ml
[14:51]	<vmarks>	hello.
[15:00]	<gremlin[it]>	JoeBorn I'm reading some messages on ML ... about kernel devel and graphic coprocessor ... but what will be the next CPU used by neuros ... is a public info ?
[15:01]	<JoeBorn>	ti davinci 6446
[15:01]	<JoeBorn>	and then later davinci 6467 (which is the one that needs the GPU)
[15:01]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: see my reply, we'll take care of that
[15:02]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: that's good, I'm replying, but you needent stay up, I'm really referring to a longer term issue
[15:02]	<JoeBorn>	and one that we've talked about many times, so nothing will get solved tonight :)
[15:05]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: that's right. i just thought it was good to send out a reply sooner than later
[15:05]	<nerochiaro>	in fact i'm going to crash to bed in a little
[15:05]	<nerochiaro>	so no worries
[15:05]	<JoeBorn>	sounds good.
[15:25]	<MattJ>	Nice documentation is all that is needed
[15:26]	<MattJ>	It took me a while when I first started digging, to come to the realisation that there is [practically] none
[15:30]	<nerochiaro>	MattJ: yes, there's basically none. part of it is the fact most of our coders speak terrible english. part of it is that you know how hackers and docs like cats and water.
[15:30]	<MattJ>	Yep :)
[15:31]	<MattJ>	IMHO there should be a wiki, or doxygen output on the site
[15:31]	<MattJ>	Just for cooler functions
[15:32]	<nerochiaro>	the wiki is there, the problem is that no one is updating it
[15:32]	<nerochiaro>	doxy output is useless as well if no one add doxy comments
[15:32]	<nerochiaro>	to source
[17:02]	<MattJ100>	Anyone awake?
[17:03]	<MattJ100>	AZ isn't setting a share for me
[17:03]	<MattJ100>	Don't know if I'm doing something wrong
[17:08]	<MattJ100>	nm, mount.cifs to the rescue
[17:09]	<MattJ100>	Except AZ doesn't use /media anymore, so I had to ln -s something in /media/shortcuts