[00:52]	<AndyGraybeal>	so i realize the box is powered by linux... but can i put my own linux on it? or what is so special about it?
[00:52]	<AndyGraybeal>	i'm thinking about buying it but i want to know more about it
[00:59]	<AndyGraybeal>	why can't i install something like openwrt on this? or a similiar linux?
[01:20]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: you can, but you'd have to port drivers for some of its hardwae
[01:20]	<daurn>	AndyGraybeal: linux is linux
[01:20]	<daurn>	why would you want a different one?
[01:20]	<AndyGraybeal>	ah rock on
[01:21]	<AndyGraybeal>	daurn: who knows, it was just a question
[01:22]	<travisutk>	If you want a different distro, you can use chroot to maintain the same kernel.
[01:23]	<AndyGraybeal>	interesting... i'm surprised more people aren't throwing different linuxes on it
[01:23]	<travisutk>	It would also be handy in the even that your external hard disk died; the internal software would still function well enough for you to recover.
[01:23]	<AndyGraybeal>	is anyone hacking the hardware (like the nslu2 ?)
[01:24]	<AndyGraybeal>	this thing sounds awesome so far
[01:25]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: there are no alternative "distributions" if that's what you're asking. but no one is stopping people from trying if they want to make one.
[01:25]	<AndyGraybeal>	nerochiaro: nice thank you for the response
[01:26]	<AndyGraybeal>	this looks like the next thing i'm going to purchase
[01:26]	<daurn>	AndyGraybeal: what do you intend to do with it?
[01:26]	<AndyGraybeal>	daurn: be a consumer with it; what it's intended for ... watch and record stuff
[01:27]	<daurn>	in that case - in all seriousness - why does linux matter
[01:27]	<AndyGraybeal>	who cares i guess i'm saying.. it's fun
[01:28]	<AndyGraybeal>	i figured their woudl be a like 10 different linxues for this and tons of hardware mods
[01:28]	<AndyGraybeal>	i'm surprised is all.
[01:29]	<AndyGraybeal>	the linuxes people love to fiddle with all that linksys stuff.. i figured it would be the same for this
[01:29]	<AndyGraybeal>	don't be so stuffy
[01:30]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: it's not popular like other devices because the hardware here is a bit less easy to hack with (for example the documentation for the part of hardware that does media decoding isn't freely available), so the people who flock to the NSLU and Linksys boxen probably find it harder or less interesting
[01:32]	<travisutk>	I bought mine for exactly that reason: I wanted to get into DSP hacking and this looked like some good hardware to begin with.
[01:33]	<AndyGraybeal>	PD people want to PD-ify everything they dtouch :)
[01:34]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: what's PD ?
[01:34]	<nerochiaro>	travisutk: and is it ?
[01:34]	<travisutk>	I just placed my order twelve hours ago. I'll let you know when it arrives.
[01:35]	<AndyGraybeal>	PD = pure-data a dsp-ish dataflow-like program
[01:35]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: i never saw any of these people around here
[01:36]	<nerochiaro>	travisutk: ah, i seee. good luck then, and welcome
[01:36]	<AndyGraybeal>	can't wait for openmoko to have a consumer product also
[01:37]	<AndyGraybeal>	they even have the hardware design opened up so people can make new cases or mods.. etc..
[01:39]	<AndyGraybeal>	does it read closed captioning just fine?
[01:39]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: not yet, there's people working on it and we have subtitles in official schedule (probably will add CCs too)
[01:39]	<AndyGraybeal>	nice; i'm nearly deaf
[01:40]	<AndyGraybeal>	aigfht i'm off to sleep nice to meet you all
[01:45]	<nerochiaro>	AndyGraybeal: likewise
[01:56]	<gremlin[it]>	morning all !
[01:57]	<travisutk>	Morning.
[02:45]	<BIMZIE>	nerochiaro: hello
[02:46]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: hey
[02:47]	<BIMZIE>	how u doin man
[02:47]	<gremlin[it]>	hi nerochiaro
[02:47]	<nerochiaro>	can you guess ? busy busy busy ;)
[02:47]	<BIMZIE>	:)
[02:48]	<BIMZIE>	man as always m here to bother u wid a question
[02:48]	<BIMZIE>	:-/
[02:55]	<nerochiaro>	go ahead
[03:04]	<BIMZIE>	man nmenulist leave som vacant space at the bottom of the list
[03:04]	<BIMZIE>	n idun want it....
[03:05]	<BIMZIE>	so do i need to resize the viewport ot wot?
[03:06]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: resize the list
[03:08]	<BIMZIE>	man i've resized it....
[03:09]	<BIMZIE>	but problem is one of my item is half cut but stilll despite dat it has extra space at the bottom....
[03:09]	<BIMZIE>	to make it sure i set a bkcolor of the list
[03:10]	<BIMZIE>	bottom line is dat items are not using bottom part of the list and i want it to use it,,,,,
[03:13]	<nerochiaro>	BIMZIE: it's a good question. honestly i don't know the answer. can you try asking crweb when he comes back online. now i think he can't answer you
[03:15]	<BIMZIE>	ori8 man
[03:16]	<BIMZIE>	thanx man... i 'll try to catch him when he is on
[03:58]	<BIMZIE>	hi crweb
[04:12]	<BIMZIE>	crweb: looks u r not here
[06:42]	<BIMZIE>	crweb: man r u bak?
[06:42]	<crweb>	it appears so, though msn won't connect
[06:45]	<BIMZIE>	hmm man i need some help
[06:46]	<BIMZIE>	regarding nmenulistitem
[06:56]	<crweb>	ok?
[07:19]	<BIMZIE>	ok
[07:20]	<BIMZIE>	crweb: man problem is when items are displayed in mainmenu list top item is cropped but still thr is space left in the bottom
[07:21]	<BIMZIE>	so i want to use the entire area of menu list
[07:21]	<BIMZIE>	do u know how to fix it
[07:21]	<crweb>	are you also using our NMenuView ?
[07:22]	<crweb>	there isn't a fix. The view itself is designed to display the data as we want it to
[07:22]	<crweb>	If you want to display the data differently you would place the model into a different view
[07:23]	<crweb>	menu items are just items placed in a model. and the item delate tells the view how to draw the model ;)
[07:23]	<crweb>	Model/View architecture
[07:25]	<gremlin[it]>	crweb, and the controller ??? :P
[07:25]	<crweb>	we don't use the controller because none of our items live edit
[07:25]	<crweb>	the controller is for data manipulation
[07:28]	<gremlin[it]>	mhh right ... but i was used to have controller in any cade, quite dumb sometimes, but have it ...
[07:28]	<crweb>	its all automatic
[07:30]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: dude, have a minute about that email on message box speed ?
[07:30]	<crweb>	ok
[07:30]	<nerochiaro>	i mean, what you think about it
[07:31]	<crweb>	i haven't exp. anything that i noticed
[07:34]	<nerochiaro>	it takes a bit to come up, more than other boxes like waiting box or XIM
[07:35]	<nerochiaro>	for example the RECORD key
[07:35]	<nerochiaro>	and the dialog that comes up after that
[07:37]	<crweb>	brb
[07:38]	<nerochiaro>	we should check how the background of the message boxes is done. i think that's the main problem, we didn't restructure it like the XIM or waiting box to use a tiled pixmap
[07:40]	<crweb>	that and also, there is a difference between new window, and message box
[07:40]	<crweb>	the message box should be extremely light
[07:41]	<crweb>	the email isn't clear, but i believe he's talking about dialog boxes, not NMessageBox
[07:44]	<nerochiaro>	what dialog boxen do we have ?
[07:45]	<crweb>	like the popup for record
[07:45]	<crweb>	message box is a window with words in it and a button
[07:45]	<nerochiaro>	isnt' that like a message box with more buttons ?
[07:45]	<crweb>	no
[07:45]	<crweb>	if it is, then that is an issue
[07:45]	<crweb>	messagebox has 1 purpose
[07:45]	<crweb>	present a message, and "yes" or "now"
[07:46]	<crweb>	if more than this is happening, we have an error
[07:46]	<crweb>	makes the message box to complex
[07:46]	<crweb>	each app should popup its own specific windows if more opens are needed
[07:46]	<crweb>	err, options
[07:47]	<nerochiaro>	what's the difference anyway from a QT pespective ? they are still windows with buttons in it, just more in one case
[07:47]	<crweb>	it complicates/performance wise
[07:47]	<crweb>	you have to make buttons and other options insertable etc
[07:48]	<crweb>	those aren't "generic" popups anymore
[07:48]	<crweb>	so the "generic" popup window grows to support all cases, instead of our quick little i need to display a message
[07:48]	<crweb>	NMessageBox, is QMessageBox
[07:48]	<gremlin[it]>	sorry if i talk ... i don't know qt i'm used with GTK ...
[07:49]	<crweb>	popup dialogs are QDialog
[07:49]	<crweb>	*huge difference*
[07:49]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: i trust you if you say so. so please give a look and let me know if we did it wrong (don't get team to work on it, just investigate and let's discuss please)
[07:50]	<nerochiaro>	in the meantime i'll have them use the lighter background
[07:50]	<gremlin[it]>	have a message box with as options the taxt and a list of buttons labels (yes no maybe cancel) and return the button pressed ... i did something like with gtk
[07:51]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: if you see QMessageBox, NMessageBox only exists because i couldn't convince someone that QStyle could handle custom message box painting
[07:51]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: we can fix that, but please assess the situation and take a bit of time to explain it to me. i have to run now, so take your time,but please don't forget
[07:52]	<nerochiaro>	gremlin[it]: it makes sense. i think we do something like that already, actually. not 100% sure
[07:53]	<crweb>	nor am i. messagebox could have grown more than it was suppose to, my memory fades.
[07:54]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: will do. later
[07:54]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: thanks
[09:56]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: ping, when you're back lunch, i'm here
[16:55]	<MattJ>	Woah
[19:25]	<MattJ>	crweb: Around?
[21:32]	<Hostile>	hey guys
[21:33]	<Hostile>	been a long time, but I just picked up a 4gb microdrive tonight, apparently the OSD doesn't support it?
[21:33]	<MattJ>	It doesn't?
[21:34]	<MattJ>	It's just a CF interface, isn't it?
[21:34]	<Hostile>	yeah
[21:34]	<MattJ>	I don't know, I haven't tried one :)
[21:34]	<Hostile>	It is just CF, but I plug it in and it doesn't show in the storage page
[21:35]	<MattJ>	The OSD is listed as compatible with "Microdrives with CF type II interface"
[21:35]	<MattJ>	Does this apply to yours?
[21:36]	<Hostile>	it says cf+ type II
[21:37]	<MattJ>	Hmm
[21:37]	<MattJ>	Is it formatted?
[21:38]	<JoeBorn>	hi all
[21:38]	<MattJ>	Howdy JoeBorn
[21:39]	<JoeBorn>	MattJ: do you guys have beefeater gin there?
[21:39]	<MattJ>	I don't have any, but I recognise it :)
[21:40]	<JoeBorn>	just curious, it's from the UK, but I kind of gather its more popular here than there
[21:41]	<JoeBorn>	although it's a pretty old brand here.
[21:41]	<MattJ>	It probably is :)
[21:41]	<JoeBorn>	anyway, sorry I've been away, but LOTs of exciting stuff going on.
[21:41]	<MattJ>	So I gather :)
[21:42]	<MattJ>	btw, what was the final extent of your contact with the BBC re. iPlayer?
[21:42]	<JoeBorn>	definately the most exciting time at Neuros
[21:42]	<JoeBorn>	we had a con call with them two days ago, let me send you the summary
[21:42]	<MattJ>	There have been developments, just today
[21:43]	<MattJ>	The iPlayer is pretty popular here, amongst the same audience of people who would buy an OSD
[21:43]	<MattJ>	Put the 2 together (+ the people don't like having to watch the iPlayer on their PCs)
[21:44]	<MattJ>	Even if you sold it as "The box to watch iPlayer on your TV", I think it would be pretty popular :)
[21:44]	<JoeBorn>	I heard its getting ported to iphone and atv, is that right?
[21:45]	<MattJ>	Yes, it's working on my iPod
[21:45]	<MattJ>	and I have managed to get MP4s downloading to the PC (*grin*)
[21:45]	<JoeBorn>	yeah, well check out the email I sent you.
[21:46]	<JoeBorn>	so, all the iphone apps work on the ipod touch?
[21:46]	<JoeBorn>	don't forget to send us that bill if you haven't already!
[21:46]	<MattJ>	Mostly
[21:46]	<MattJ>	I haven't yet, I've been as busy as you, and I wasn't sure if your account was sorted or not...
[21:47]	<MattJ>	Hmm, where did you send the mail?
[21:47]	<MattJ>	Oops
[21:47]	<MattJ>	It just arrived
[21:51]	<MattJ>	Interesting
[21:52]	<MattJ>	Well basically, they released beta support for the iPhone/iPod
[21:52]	<MattJ>	Since it doesn't support Flash, or anything such, yet, they are streaming standard (DRM-free) MP4
[21:53]	<MattJ>	I've just spent this evening working out how to grab these
[21:53]	<MattJ>	and I have it cracked now
[21:54]	<MattJ>	Just there is no way to browse yet
[21:58]	<MattJ>	Hmm
[21:59]	<MattJ>	Apparently RSS/XML data won't be in until the next release (scheduled for the end of April)
[22:11]	<MattJ>	Time for sleep, maybe I can knock up a way to make a browser tomorrow
[22:38]	<Hostile>	does anyone know anything about hitachi microdrives and the OSD?
[22:55]	<Hostile>	anyone in here using arizona?