Log from #neuros IRC channel

parkerhiggins: I hear that. I could not do without my gmail tags now.

i have the same love for del.ico.us too.

johndesigner: something like this is hard to implement institutionally, but with delicious i either group tags that are genres under a genre heading automatically, or tag it "genre:comedy"

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so i have a heading in my delicious account "genres" which has all the tags like "comedy," "tragedy," etc. (really, it's just those two.)

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parkerhiggins: thats an interesting additional grouping method.

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hmmm

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johndesigner: thanks. the best part is that because they're tags, it's nonexclusive. so "comedy" doesn't just have to go under genres, it can also be in the heading "generally funny" with tags like "humour" and "parody." it requires kind of a lot of maintenance on my part, though.

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sounds like the maintenance is a bit of a chore, but if that suits you...

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the non specific nature of tags really helps me and my absentminded professorness

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and when considering movies, I am surprised at how some are categorized on netflix or similar

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most movies are sensibly categorized, but not always as I would think of them

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parkerhiggins: BTW, I am a brother in arms wrt not being a hacker.

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johndesigner: straight up!

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a DIY/tinkerer are you?

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a little bit

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i like that stuff, but i'm not TOO technically inclined.

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i'm trying to get more into it

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welcome aboard in any case. Its a neat device and shouldn't require much technical knowhow

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no, it's working great. i'm showing it off ot my room mate and he is thoroughly impressed

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cool!

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out of curiosity, do you have it LAN connected ?

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i do. direct in. we're watching youtube right now

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neat, be sure to offer your thoughts and suggestions.

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will do!

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parkerhiggins: I'm the Neuros design guy BTW

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oh cool! i was admiring that today

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oh? Thats nice to hear, thanks!

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parkerhiggins: oh, some usage tips. Channel Up/dn=Scroll lists

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ok, i've been using the arrows

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err, chan up/dn= page up/dn to be precise

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;)

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while playing a video, press the # key

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what will that do?

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while playing a video, you can set up to 9 bookmarks by pressing UP arrow, activate same by correspoding number key.

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the # key skips forward

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on lists, * key is multiselect. able to select individual files for group actions

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wow! this is really helpful. it's not in the manual is it?

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not yet no. some of those were recent additions. some others are on the way

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a list is being generated for the wiki and such places.

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hey JohnDesigner

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parkerhiggins: indicating those behaviors is kind of tricky to do in context without polluting the gui.

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hiya daurnimator

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johndesigner: true that. it's a fine line, i suppose.

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is there a "best way" to record youtube videos off this?

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whats new?

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parkerhiggins: hmm, I can't remember on the firmware you are (most likely) running. Its been a while since I reviewed that

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johndesigner: i'm running the latest stable, i'd guess. i downloaded today

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daurnimator: not too much really. Designing the video DB ATM

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parkerhiggins: does your menu selection bar have an orange border on it?

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johndesigner: which bar is that?

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the bar that is behind the selected text on menu lists

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it appears not to have an orange border, no

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parkerhiggins: I'm trying to figure if you are running what we call Arizona or not.

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i'm on 3.33-1.73-04.81t, apparently. that's a mouthful.

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parkerhiggins: ahh, that must be TORFU then although I can't tell from the number :D

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parkerhiggins: to save a youtube vid, did you try pressing the XIM button (looks like an X with a dot above it)?

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i did. i saved it to my favorites, which is not what i want to do

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parkerhiggins: iirc, that firmware may not allow saving YT vids locally. Not sure tho

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can this play back .flv files?

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pretty sure it does play back local .flv's

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Arizona FW does I believe.

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i guess i can test that pretty readily.

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well, this fw DOES support flv.

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seems logical since it has a YT browser, but sometimes technicalities get in the way.

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and I'm not well versed in those technicalities, so I punt :)

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daurnimator: what is your preference - Category or tag or Genre ?

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(video db related)

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JohnDesigner: uh, who is doing the catergorying?

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you are

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then probably catergories

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but.... I like my folder hierarch

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Tv Shows->Simpsons->Series 01->Episode 1 - Something.avi

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Movies -> Action -> Die Hard 4.0.avi

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nothing else could make more sense

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you can maintain a folder heirarchy on your own, but the video DB will not recognize that path per-se.

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at least not in the initial db system. the initial system is being aimed toward tagging type behavior

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how does one tag?

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on the osd itself? I can't imagine people liking to type much

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no, not much typing if at all.

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most "tags" are pregenerated.( Call them Generes or Categories if you like, but naming confusion is what I am trying to avoid ;))

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meh, I like directories anyway

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but a local search would be cool

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(on path/filename)

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just a gui to locate would do

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JohnDesigner: ping

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anyone from Europe around here ?

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<anders_>

Yeah

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anders_: you use PAL up there, right ?

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<anders_>

Oh yes.

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anders_: and does it look right for you ? we are having tests where the image is a lot less stable in comparison to NTSC image

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it's pretty shakey actually

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<anders_>

nerochiaro: It looks right.

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<anders_>

Can't say anything about quality.

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<anders_>

(I'm not running QT based firmware yet)

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anders_: i think it's the same on non-QT

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<anders_>

I assumed so, but better safe than sorry.

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may depend on the kind of television, though

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<anders_>

Anything specific you want me to test?

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<anders_>

Oh, that reminds me. Haven't used the OSD since I got my new TV.

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not really. maybe you can look at bug 3663 and see if you get the kind of "shaking" video that is attached to it.

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nerochiaro: i do

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you do what ?

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get shaking video from osd

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but not like in that bug

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I also get it in linux on ps3

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but not in the ps3 OS

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has something to do with linux FB and timings

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right that's a bit extreme. but now Gao have finally been faced with a PAL TV appearently and he saw the shaking too. we'll discuss that when we get back

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er, when he get back

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it's not just a problem of FB, you see ti also on the background video

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ah

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this is on NTSC also

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i tought FB timings too, at first, but i checked the video below and it shaked too. in NTSC i get perfectly stable image, here

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my laptop, and desktop both also make TV shake

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i noticed that changing things like font sizes and colors, stop the shaking

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but video recorded from pal! wow...

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it may be an issue with my video source though, and have something to do with 25fps (didn't follow to the end)

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but in any case, even without looking at that video, the shaking is there

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allyourrejects: can you check that patch from steven "save to gui fix" and the call to setGeometry for dialogs ?

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i'm not sure he needs to do that, even though he say he does

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i think he does

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why ?

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already reading about it

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setGeometry(geometry()) << doesn't this just set the geometry to the same value it has currently ? what is the purpose ?

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i can understand if it changed it

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but in this case, it's a no-op more or less

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no, that sets photoOpen's geometry to parents geometry

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or not parent

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whatever you call void *this

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sets photoOpen to this's geometry

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ah, ok

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so it's resizing the photoOpen dialog to the size of the whole window ?

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i guess so. not sure why, i like seeing them as popup windows. but, he doesn't explain very will why not showFullScreen

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can't he just call photoOpen.fullScreen or something ?

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he tries by saying its not background managed, which is correct

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he just say background managed does it for us internally. but you can do it explicitly for non managed classes

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you think maybe he things showFullScreen is only in NBackgroundManagedWidget ?

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whats with my g's and k's

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i do that a lot lately

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yes

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i asked him

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(wasn't the k the letter than the guy in Shining was missing on his typewriter when going mad ?)

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you know what is strange about that video

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there are points in the image that don't move

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its like, the scaler is cutting out a few lines here and there

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and I believe that each one of these "stationary points" is equally spaced

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allyourrejects: hmm, interesting

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wonder if it's the conversion to TV or the handling of input that's doing that

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is this a tv time video?

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or physically recorded?

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its definitely a software error it hink. look at the arrows at the bottom. their bottom lines are shaking. They are growing.

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physically recorded from OSD

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the top of the B isn't shaking. the pixels below are folding under

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deinterlacer maybe?

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deinterlacer in the OSD ?

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yeah

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might be

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though i don't recall reading about one

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well, its a distortion. not a shaking

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it appears as shaking, call it what you will ;)

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lines are being removed from the image, and others are being added

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the bottom of the arrows circle is one of those lines. Its not being overwritten by lines below cause those are being dropped. and the lines above are being moved up

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and each euqally spaced section "shakes" more than other sections..

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freaky...

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you're still watching that video. can you look on real PAL tv to see if you see the same stuff

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that might be more useful

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I live in central USA

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where exactly am i suppose to get one of those..

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they'd accuse me of being a terrorist.

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hehe, right, that's why i asked for euro people :)

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"you got a pal TV so you could watch terrorist videos didn't you!"

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there goes my level 2 security clearence.

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bin laden videos play only on PAL tvs, we all know that

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can you access missile silos with level 2 security ? that may come in handy down the road

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i dunno. I can access mental health records though

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that's less useful, but nice anyway. check JohnDesigner's records sometimes

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pfft. he wishes he were as insane as he claims

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ugh.. 15 draft emails..

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how the hell do you count on the OSD how many items are in a directory via shell ?

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lol

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<anders_>

nerochiaro: I don't see that shakiness. Does it happen with other video sources?

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anders_: i don't have others to check, but test team said it seems to

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nerochiaro: you're going to hate this:

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nerochiaro: for each in dir, i++ ;)

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<anders_>

nerochiaro: Ok. I'll check again when I get home, with a few different sources.

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allyourrejects: that's C, not the shell

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anders_: thanks. really appreciated

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well, i'd have to go look up if/then again in shell

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so freaking picky

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nevermind anyway, i did it in a more hacky way

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i mean, lazy way

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number of lines returned by ls?

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allyourrejects: ya

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allyourrejects: you may want to give a look at that parallels VM thread on ML

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allright, lunchtime. see you all later

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nerochiaro: Just a warning, since I see the SummerOfCode options, but I've been working on porting WebKit to the OSD for the past month

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If I get it working (no guarantee, but it's looking good) I'll release it

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But the Last.fm idea is good. The xmms2 plugin isn't reliable enough to release, I'm still trying to figure out why

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<anders_>

Oh, where is summer of code page?

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greyback: i have also been working on webkit

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allyourrejects: Yeah? You thinking of upping to Qt4.4?

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greyback: absolutely

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Yay!

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anders_: wiki.neurostechnology.com

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You'll need to add QHttp stuff

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The biggest problems I found were removing Drag & Drop, WheelEvent and MouseEvents

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yep, already being added for switch away from curl

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greyback: supposedly there is a Keyboard only compile time option

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<anders_>

greyback: Thanks.

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but, we aren't interested really in removing those

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allyourrejects: I didn't know that, bleh

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we've got plenty of space, and hopefully one day usb mouse support

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for sure on 2.0

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Yeah, HD output on 2.0 would really suit this. Current resolution is a bit small for webbrowsing

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<anders_>

As for the last.fm project it would be great if the browsing could be implemented in the browsing-api in the xmms2 plugin (such patch somewhat already exists iirc)

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anders_: Not heard of that patch, it would be cool to add it to xmms2 plugin and make it all work, then with a nice frontend to browse

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<anders_>

greyback: I'll see if I can dig it up.

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Will need to write new plugin for xmms2 if we remove curl

ha

podcast reader

ha indeed :)

<anders_>

greyback: The guy that worked on that lastfm-browsing stuff has it on his old laptop :(

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anders_: ain't it always the way... No harm, I'd rather fix simple playback first

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anders_: well, see what I'm doing wrong would be more accurate :)

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greyback: i'm not goign to remove curl

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<anders_>

greyback: He gave me this url: xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net but I guess you already know how to do.

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greyback: the non-qt upgrader which *has* to exist uses libcurl

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allyourrejects: Aaah, understood

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and I will provide libcurl for next gen also

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allyourrejects: any idea when 4.4 will be in action?

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i hear end of march

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Grand

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anders_: Thanks for that, will have a play

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end of march is end of Q1 2008 right?

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oh wait.. that would be end of april

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greyback: end of april

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major painter updates and fixes

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allyourrejects: ok, that's a while away yet. Will see if I can get my port working in the mean time

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going to kickass. probably the best release since 4.0

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<anders_>

greyback: Just ping me if you want any pointers/help/whatever regarding integrating into the browse-api of xmms2.

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i've got a good 4.4 build

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we just can't use it officially

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crweb: Yeah, I've heard many good things of the prerelease

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allyourrejects: oh, my head ain't screwed on properly today

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anders_: You one of the xmms2 guys?

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<anders_>

greyback: Yes.

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my understanding is he is _the_ xmms2 guy

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* greyback genuflects in anders_ 's direction

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anders_: I'll probably be in touch in future alright! :)

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i used xmms once..

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from 1999 - 2004

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when the itunes clones caught on though, i couldn't resist.. :(

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anders_: I've played with the Last.fm plugin, but playback of certain channels stops after just one track. Other channels are fine. I've never figured out why.

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oi fellas, i'm back

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<anders_>

greyback: Yeah, that happens here as well, I haven't investigated it is supposed to be like that.

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anders_: Hmm, sounds odd, because hitting play again happily starts the next track. I need to read up on the whole Last.fm interface to see what's supposed to happen

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greyback: i suppose you are not eligible for SoC, right ?

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nerochiaro: I don't think so, I'm a Postgraduate student with full funding and no summer holidays really

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greyback: guess not, but i'm not sure either

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And I honestly don't think I've the time to spare to fully devote myself to a big project. I usually just play aorund with something shiny until I see something new and shinier

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any university student is eligible i thought

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grad, undergrad, etc

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well then, i think we can keep the project on the SoC page. someone can build on your shoulders, it's all open source after all

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I'll try to upload anything I've done if it's of help to anyone

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greyback: feel free to. or just have the students ask to you if anyone apply for it and is interested in going the webkit way

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nerochiaro: i'm going to version bump qtopia in trunk. soon as i figure out the patch to auto accept license

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it "won't really" effect anyone except they will have to rebuild toolchain for it to take effect

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as long as it's safe, go ahead

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better be safe...

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or there is something really wrong ;)

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with trolltech i mean

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never trust the trolls

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i think thats cave trolls

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but.. you don't have to trust them.. they just eat you

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bridge trolls

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nerochiaro: man i couldn't figured out palette and brush thing for setting qframe background :(

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sorry m new to qt as well jus like neuros

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i think i told u dat bfor

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what is not working ? paste some code somewhere so we can look at what you're doing

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everywhere i see... style sheets are used :(

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my last try was with draw pixmap

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that should work too

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in painter

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QRectF target(10.0, 20.0, 308.0, 65.0);

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QRectF source(0.0, 0.0, 298.0, 45.0);

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QPixmap pixmap(":infobanner.gif");

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QPainter painter(widgetInfoUI);

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painter.drawPixmap(target, pixmap, source);

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this is wot i did

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i directly paint the widget

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will it work :S

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so what's the problem ? it work ?

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no

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nuthin happenin :(

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are you sure you have infobanner.gif correctly inside your resource ?

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ok can u tell me dat brush and paint thing

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allyourrejects: any hint ?

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i mean the concept

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yep it is

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the idea is that you can have brushes that instead of having a solid color have a texture. so when you fill stuff with that brush, you are painting a texture instead of a color

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if you use one such brush in the palette for your widget, for the background role, it will paint the texture in the background

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ok let me tell u wot i understand.... first i need to have a brush of that texture

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then i set the palette to use dat brush

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ri8?

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you set the background role of the palette to use that brush

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the rest is right